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ThomasR
Profile Joined January 2012
764 Posts
December 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#2041
On December 16 2012 17:43 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:41 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 Dodgin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:39 shabby wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:38 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:37 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

Yes (110)
 
63%

No (61)
 
35%

If you have time (4)
 
2%

175 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


so uh do we not like hero or something lol


We are rating the game, not the players.

usually with hero, whenever he loses no matter how good the game is, hero fans downvote it


I don't think hero fans watch proleague

Barely anyone watches pro league, based on this twitch viewercount I'm getting.


17k at 3:40 AM is amazing, lol.

What are you smoking? This beats almost any day of GSL when they were on Twitch exclusively for english casting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
December 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#2042
On December 16 2012 17:45 Khaldor wrote:
Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational

That was some time ago though, Effort has fallen behind since then.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
proofy
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada283 Posts
December 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#2043
EG-TL, don't lose again. Please, live up to the hype. I don't want to read Stephano wasn't there excuses later
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 08:47:09
December 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#2044
On December 16 2012 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
Quickly, disguise Taeja and send him again. We need team Taeja.


http://i39.tinypic.com/dey6id.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Dbp0H.jpg

they might actually win
can i get my estro logo back pls
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27405 Posts
December 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#2045
On December 16 2012 17:45 shabby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.


maps make the metagame
metagame shouldn't make the maps


Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle.

New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth.


Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth.


Not when the metagame is thrown out the window.


especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window.


No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth.


Why are you so against different trends on different maps? There is no reason the trends (you call it metagame) should be the same in every match and new trends only develop in response to standard play. There is a lot of depth in having to play different styles to take advantage of maps.

The current boredom I get from ladder is largely because almost every game opens the same, especially when a Zerg is involved because the map-pool is to encourage 'macro' games.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2046
On December 16 2012 17:46 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:44 andaylin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.


maps make the metagame
metagame shouldn't make the maps


Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle.

New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth.


Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth.


Not when the metagame is thrown out the window.


especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window.


No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth.

Lol, this is funny. let's just keep making GSL formula maps and play that all day.


So you're implying that every non-GSL map do not allow the metagame to play out? That is ridiculous, new maps are fine. Not wonky maps though, not for a legitimate competitive game.
So the "metagame playing out" = the same strategies on every single map. Right. Please go away and let us have an interesting game.
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2047
On December 16 2012 17:43 coasts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:41 casualman wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 Dodgin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:40 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:39 shabby wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:38 opterown wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:37 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

Yes (110)
 
63%

No (61)
 
35%

If you have time (4)
 
2%

175 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Hydra vs. HerO?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


so uh do we not like hero or something lol


We are rating the game, not the players.

usually with hero, whenever he loses no matter how good the game is, hero fans downvote it


I don't think hero fans watch proleague

Barely anyone watches pro league, based on this twitch viewercount I'm getting.

At least 16000 people are watching right now.

+ youtube channel + vlc + korean websites
it's safe to assume it's over 20K, which is pretty awesome
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2048
Hydra had hours upon hours of HerO replays to look at. HerO not only knew very little of Hydra, he had very little time to prepare.
/commercial
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2049
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


So is JYP?
Jaedong & Faker
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6532 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2050
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean

Am I missing something?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2051
On December 16 2012 17:45 Khaldor wrote:
Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational

he's referencing tlpd. not sure if those games have been recorded
get rich or die mining
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foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2052
On December 16 2012 17:42 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:34 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:32 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:28 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:26 monkybone wrote:
A good map is a map where the metagame is allowed to play out. This is not a good map.


maps make the metagame
metagame shouldn't make the maps


Metagame does make the maps. And differences should be subtle.

New wonky maps throw strategies out the window, and everything is reduced to gimmicks. As long as there is no metagame, there is no strategic depth.


Just because your sub par foreigners can't prepare and adapt doesn't mean a map shouldn't be played. This is how PL has always been, maps in fact add to the strategic depth.


Not when the metagame is thrown out the window.


especially when the metagame is thrown out of the window.


No, strategic depth is developed when existing strategies are played out in relation to new ones. This generates the layers of strategy that constitutes the metagame. When the metagame is non-existent, everything is gimmick, and strategy is shallow. There is no depth.


Am I the only person that doesn't have a clue what this is supposed to actually mean?
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2053
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is far far better than Puma...
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2054
It sucks that EG-TL is gonna lose if Effort wins...but fuck it, go Effort!
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
growl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States203 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2055
Regardless of who they send out CJ will send hero[join] likely, who has been showing pretty strong PvP throughout hybrid proleague (taking out rain at one point if I'm not mistaken) and could probably put up great fight against Taeja.

I have a feeling Effort is going to put up a real fight despite any statistics. Effort is a world-class player.
Azhrei16
Profile Joined August 2011
United States284 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2056
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


And JYP is...?
InstantKarma
Profile Joined November 2010
United States205 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2057
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP's a korean. They were both on team TSL.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2058
On December 16 2012 17:47 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is far far better than Puma...

and also Korean
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ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2059
On December 16 2012 17:45 Tsutchie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:43 booksmartguy wrote:
I think this is a reactional strategy by Hydra.


hydra just said in the QnA that it was planned.

Sounds like he's just talking up some mind game. He went 3-hatch after all.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 16 2012 08:47 GMT
#2060
On December 16 2012 17:45 Khaldor wrote:
Hm, TB must have wrong/old data. Effort killed nearly every Protoss he met in the MLG vs. KeSPA Invitational

1-1 grubby
2-0 nani
2-0 sase
2-0 huk
2-0 oz
2-0 crank
2-0 mc
1-1 alicia

not bad
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