On December 10 2012 10:49 kaokentake wrote: casters should now be banned from saying "nice" or "great" or whatever variation of the word fungal/storm/emp/forcefields my god its so annoying
just say "some forcefields go down"
I really wish we could have "super serious" cast with only literal discussion of what is happening in the game... it'd be funny how bad that would be and we'd quickly revert.
Caster 1: MVP makes units. He attacks with them. This has lead to him winning some games and ultimately some tournaments. Probably more than most pros. Caster 2: I agree. He is good at making units. Meanwhile in our game Leenock is making a Nydus network, a decision which is only good if your opponent has no vision of his base and will probably fail. Caster 1: Leenock has entered his opponents base because his opponent made a mistake. Leenock uses an overlord which should not have been in the enemy base at all to spread creep. Leenock drops a creep tumor. This will spread creep in his opponents base. Buildings cannot be built on top of creep, so he will want to kill that at some point.
another example
Caster 1: There is an engagement in the middle of the map between their armies. This might be important. They are both at 200 supply. A storm goes down. Caster 2: Yes, that is a storm. MVP moves his units away from the storm but he took some damage. Caster 1: There is another storm. Caster 2: Indeed. There is a storm being cast. MVP has lost a few marines. He will likely make more at the Barracks by hitting the A key a few times. Caster 1: Nerf a-key.
On December 10 2012 10:57 Exigaet wrote: Anyone know how old those HotS beta keys rolling across the screen are? Every single one I've tried is already claimed.
maybe some people are just really quick to claim them
I really don't see hero winning PvZ here. He doesn't like to do 2-base or 3-base timings (or can't do them well) like creator or parting, and he's not good enough to beat a zerg in late game.
On December 10 2012 10:49 kaokentake wrote: casters should now be banned from saying "nice" or "great" or whatever variation of the word fungal/storm/emp/forcefields my god its so annoying
just say "some forcefields go down"
I really wish we could have "super serious" cast with only literal discussion of what is happening in the game... it'd be funny how bad that would be and we'd quickly revert.
Caster 1: MVP makes units. He attacks with them. This has lead to him winning some games and ultimately some tournaments. Probably more than most pros. Caster 2: I agree. He is good at making units. Meanwhile in our game Leenock is making a Nydus network, a decision which is only good if your opponent has no vision of his base and will probably fail. Caster 1: Leenock has entered his opponents base because his opponent made a mistake. Leenock uses an overlord which should not have been in the enemy base at all to spread creep. Leenock drops a creep tumor. This will spread creep in his opponents base. Buildings cannot be built on top of creep, so he will want to kill that at some point.
another example
Caster 1: There is an engagement in the middle of the map between their armies. This might be important. They are both at 200 supply. A storm goes down. Caster 2: Yes, that is a storm. MVP moves his units away from the storm but he took some damage. Caster 1: There is another storm. Caster 2: Indeed. There is a storm being cast. MVP has lost a few marines. He will likely make more at the Barracks by hitting the A key a few times. Caster 1: Nerf a-key.
On December 10 2012 11:00 ultratorr wrote: I really don't see hero winning PvZ here. He doesn't like to do 2-base or 3-base timings (or can't do them well) like creator or parting, and he's not good enough to beat a zerg in late game.
On December 10 2012 10:49 kaokentake wrote: casters should now be banned from saying "nice" or "great" or whatever variation of the word fungal/storm/emp/forcefields my god its so annoying
just say "some forcefields go down"
I really wish we could have "super serious" cast with only literal discussion of what is happening in the game... it'd be funny how bad that would be and we'd quickly revert.
Caster 1: MVP makes units. He attacks with them. This has lead to him winning some games and ultimately some tournaments. Probably more than most pros. Caster 2: I agree. He is good at making units. Meanwhile in our game Leenock is making a Nydus network, a decision which is only good if your opponent has no vision of his base and will probably fail. Caster 1: Leenock has entered his opponents base because his opponent made a mistake. Leenock uses an overlord which should not have been in the enemy base at all to spread creep. Leenock drops a creep tumor. This will spread creep in his opponents base. Buildings cannot be built on top of creep, so he will want to kill that at some point.
another example
Caster 1: There is an engagement in the middle of the map between their armies. This might be important. They are both at 200 supply. A storm goes down. Caster 2: Yes, that is a storm. MVP moves his units away from the storm but he took some damage. Caster 1: There is another storm. Caster 2: Indeed. There is a storm being cast. MVP has lost a few marines. He will likely make more at the Barracks by hitting the A key a few times. Caster 1: Nerf a-key.
On December 10 2012 10:49 kaokentake wrote: casters should now be banned from saying "nice" or "great" or whatever variation of the word fungal/storm/emp/forcefields my god its so annoying
just say "some forcefields go down"
I really wish we could have "super serious" cast with only literal discussion of what is happening in the game... it'd be funny how bad that would be and we'd quickly revert.
Caster 1: MVP makes units. He attacks with them. This has lead to him winning some games and ultimately some tournaments. Probably more than most pros. Caster 2: I agree. He is good at making units. Meanwhile in our game Leenock is making a Nydus network, a decision which is only good if your opponent has no vision of his base and will probably fail. Caster 1: Leenock has entered his opponents base because his opponent made a mistake. Leenock uses an overlord which should not have been in the enemy base at all to spread creep. Leenock drops a creep tumor. This will spread creep in his opponents base. Buildings cannot be built on top of creep, so he will want to kill that at some point.
another example
Caster 1: There is an engagement in the middle of the map between their armies. This might be important. They are both at 200 supply. A storm goes down. Caster 2: Yes, that is a storm. MVP moves his units away from the storm but he took some damage. Caster 1: There is another storm. Caster 2: Indeed. There is a storm being cast. MVP has lost a few marines. He will likely make more at the Barracks by hitting the A key a few times. Caster 1: Nerf a-key.
lol....
The problem is, when everything is described in superlatives, it loses much of its effect. Every storm and fungal that actually lands is great, every player is amazing, every player is "if there is one player that can do it, it's player x!"
I don't want just a completely dry play by play without inflection, but a more realistic assessment of what is actually going on and the relative skill level of the players involved would be desirable from time to time.
it's hard to place how good violet is since he lives in america. he almost made ro8 code s last time he participated. he's probably a top 5 zerg along with leenock/life/sniper/hyun.
On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote: Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.
Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.
life, parting and rain only had an impact on the past few months. stephano has been dominating all year. only guy i'd give it to over stephano would be MVP
Dominating foreign tourneys, especially euro tourneys with very few koreans at them doesn't count. Stephano also hasn't been dominating anything lately. No way he deserves player of the year over a korean.
such an annoying argument. Stephano beats koreans at every damn tournament. and not just koreans, the best koreans. every tournament he is in, he is a threat to win. you have to win foreign tournaments to be up for the player of the year because there are only what, 5 GSLs?
No Koreans other than MVP kept such a high level of play for such a long time. And Stephano won LSC2 just a month ago, got 3rd at ESWC the week before that and nearly reverse all killed Team Korea at the GSL WC last weekend. Dude is still playing fantastic.
when looking at the whole year, MVP and Stephano are the two best choices. I would have went with MVP, but Stephano is deserving.
No I can't agree because I place very little value on winning euro tourneys because no koreans are there besides hero/taeja usually. MLG/IPLs are 10x harder to win than any major euro tourney due to the level of koreans at those events. Lonestar I don't count as a major tourney either. Stephano wouldn't make my top 5 or even top 10 player of the year and no foreigner would. My top 10 would be all KRs.
lmfao dude, such a korean bias its not even funny. name me your top 10 right now.
In no particular order MVP Taeja Life Sniper DRG Leenock MC Hero Parting Squirtle (all of the top of my head, heres some more if you still don't get the point) Hyun, Symbol, Flash, Rain, Bogus, MKP, Polt, Gumiho, Seed, Bomber, Nestea, Ryung thats 21 players that all could be considered better than Stephano.
On December 10 2012 10:59 Qikz wrote: Dragoons getting their revenge for being replaced by stalkers that game.
They're probably laughing in heaven right now :p
The Dragoons actually all got turned into Immortals, that's what the immortals are, upgraded Dragoons.
The lore says that when the protoss lost Aiur, they lost the ability to create dragoons, and were stuck with only those they already had. So they upgraded them heavily and turned them into immortals so that they could survive multiple fights.
Stalkers are the dark templar version of dragoons.
am i the only one who thinks this tournament has been really great for SC2 in terms of enjoyment. i was drained of SC2 but now i'm looking forward to 2013.
On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote: Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.
Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.
life, parting and rain only had an impact on the past few months. stephano has been dominating all year. only guy i'd give it to over stephano would be MVP
Dominating foreign tourneys, especially euro tourneys with very few koreans at them doesn't count. Stephano also hasn't been dominating anything lately. No way he deserves player of the year over a korean.
such an annoying argument. Stephano beats koreans at every damn tournament. and not just koreans, the best koreans. every tournament he is in, he is a threat to win. you have to win foreign tournaments to be up for the player of the year because there are only what, 5 GSLs?
No Koreans other than MVP kept such a high level of play for such a long time. And Stephano won LSC2 just a month ago, got 3rd at ESWC the week before that and nearly reverse all killed Team Korea at the GSL WC last weekend. Dude is still playing fantastic.
when looking at the whole year, MVP and Stephano are the two best choices. I would have went with MVP, but Stephano is deserving.
Ok here's what I think
#1 Mvp #2 DRG #3 Leenock OR Stephano
Mvp for being the only player to make two GSL finals, and the only Terran player to make a gsl finals/win a GSL in 2012, plus his IEM victory.
DRG for his GSL win at the start of the year, his two second place finishes in the Winter Arena/Winter Champs, his first place finishes in Spring Arena 2 and the Spring Championship. Another Code S ro4 in GSL S3, and 2nd place in the OSL.
Stephano - Assembly Winter 2nd, Spring Arena 3rd, NASL S3 1st, WCS EU 1st, Lone Star Clash 2 1st, ESWC 3rd.
Probably Stephano over Leenock because Leenock didn't do much for the first half of the year.
the reason you have stephano over leenock is why i'd have him over drg as well. drg started off fantastic, but faded hard. i know he got second in osl, but everything else after his mlg win was rather disappointing. he did get absolutely smashed in the osl finals too
when people talk about stephano playing bad right now, its been like a 3 week period. and he nearly reverse all killed team korea last weekend so, can we really say he's slumping? with drg it seems like the whole second half of the year has been meh.
i would have leenock right up there as well.
I don't feel like Stephano has been that good for the last half of the year either though, he won WCS EU which is nice but the competition is obviously not on the level of an MLG or IPL, he won a non-premier tournament in November but bombed out of BWC DHW and IPL5 very early, his ESWC placing was pretty good but the competition there was even worse than lone star, he really should have won that. I don't weigh the GSL WC much because it was BO1's. Then if you look at the first half of the year DRG absolutely dominated his placements, X2 MLG silver, X1 GSL gold, X2 MLG gold. DRG also placed way higher than him at IPL5 which just concluded, 7-8th as opposed to 25th-32nd.
EPT
