On December 10 2012 11:01 Fionn wrote: it's hard to place how good violet is since he lives in america. he almost made ro8 code s last time he participated. he's probably a top 5 zerg along with leenock/life/sniper/hyun.
Does he Practice on KR? or has he made any comments how he prepares for Tournaments cause he just destroys everything he enters.
On December 10 2012 11:01 Fionn wrote: it's hard to place how good violet is since he lives in america. he almost made ro8 code s last time he participated. he's probably a top 5 zerg along with leenock/life/sniper/hyun.
Does he Practice on KR? or has he made any comments how he prepares for Tournaments cause he just destroys everything he enters.
he plays and lives in na. he's usually #1 on the NA GM ladder.
On December 10 2012 11:01 Fionn wrote: it's hard to place how good violet is since he lives in america. he almost made ro8 code s last time he participated. he's probably a top 5 zerg along with leenock/life/sniper/hyun.
Does he Practice on KR? or has he made any comments how he prepares for Tournaments cause he just destroys everything he enters.
He practices NA if I am not mistaken. Hence he is American. USA USA.
In terms of opposition MVP has had the hardest path compared to other best of year players. Won his GSL in his worst matchup when PvT was most heavily P favored. Won IEM the same way with ZvT being heavily Z favored. Got runner-up beating other best of year player Rain and lost to other best of year player in Life in 7th game. And injuries.
On December 10 2012 11:02 klops wrote: am i the only one who thinks this tournament has been really great for SC2 in terms of enjoyment. i was drained of SC2 but now i'm looking forward to 2013.
On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote: Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.
Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.
life, parting and rain only had an impact on the past few months. stephano has been dominating all year. only guy i'd give it to over stephano would be MVP
Dominating foreign tourneys, especially euro tourneys with very few koreans at them doesn't count. Stephano also hasn't been dominating anything lately. No way he deserves player of the year over a korean.
such an annoying argument. Stephano beats koreans at every damn tournament. and not just koreans, the best koreans. every tournament he is in, he is a threat to win. you have to win foreign tournaments to be up for the player of the year because there are only what, 5 GSLs?
No Koreans other than MVP kept such a high level of play for such a long time. And Stephano won LSC2 just a month ago, got 3rd at ESWC the week before that and nearly reverse all killed Team Korea at the GSL WC last weekend. Dude is still playing fantastic.
when looking at the whole year, MVP and Stephano are the two best choices. I would have went with MVP, but Stephano is deserving.
No I can't agree because I place very little value on winning euro tourneys because no koreans are there besides hero/taeja usually. MLG/IPLs are 10x harder to win than any major euro tourney due to the level of koreans at those events. Lonestar I don't count as a major tourney either. Stephano wouldn't make my top 5 or even top 10 player of the year and no foreigner would. My top 10 would be all KRs.
lmfao dude, such a korean bias its not even funny. name me your top 10 right now.
In no particular order MVP Taeja Life Sniper DRG Leenock MC Hero Parting Squirtle (all of the top of my head, heres some more if you still don't get the point) Hyun, Symbol, Flash, Rain, Bogus, MKP, Polt, Gumiho, Seed, Bomber, Nestea, Ryung thats 21 players that all could be considered better than Stephano.
Stephano beat 4 of them in a row at GSL World thing.
On December 10 2012 10:49 kaokentake wrote: casters should now be banned from saying "nice" or "great" or whatever variation of the word fungal/storm/emp/forcefields my god its so annoying
just say "some forcefields go down"
I really wish we could have "super serious" cast with only literal discussion of what is happening in the game... it'd be funny how bad that would be and we'd quickly revert.
Caster 1: MVP makes units. He attacks with them. This has lead to him winning some games and ultimately some tournaments. Probably more than most pros. Caster 2: I agree. He is good at making units. Meanwhile in our game Leenock is making a Nydus network, a decision which is only good if your opponent has no vision of his base and will probably fail. Caster 1: Leenock has entered his opponents base because his opponent made a mistake. Leenock uses an overlord which should not have been in the enemy base at all to spread creep. Leenock drops a creep tumor. This will spread creep in his opponents base. Buildings cannot be built on top of creep, so he will want to kill that at some point.
another example
Caster 1: There is an engagement in the middle of the map between their armies. This might be important. They are both at 200 supply. A storm goes down. Caster 2: Yes, that is a storm. MVP moves his units away from the storm but he took some damage. Caster 1: There is another storm. Caster 2: Indeed. There is a storm being cast. MVP has lost a few marines. He will likely make more at the Barracks by hitting the A key a few times. Caster 1: Nerf a-key.
On December 10 2012 11:03 stuchiu wrote: In terms of opposition MVP has had the hardest path compared to other best of year players. Won his GSL in his worst matchup when PvT was most heavily P favored. Won IEM the same way with ZvT being heavily Z favored. Got runner-up beating other best of year player Rain and lost to other best of year player in Life in 7th game. And injuries.
Bolded the most significant part of your post - can you imagine if he didn't have wrist problems...
I really hope that stupid army control mistake doesn't put HerO on tilt! C'monnnnn Liquid`!
On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote: Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.
Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.
life, parting and rain only had an impact on the past few months. stephano has been dominating all year. only guy i'd give it to over stephano would be MVP
Dominating foreign tourneys, especially euro tourneys with very few koreans at them doesn't count. Stephano also hasn't been dominating anything lately. No way he deserves player of the year over a korean.
such an annoying argument. Stephano beats koreans at every damn tournament. and not just koreans, the best koreans. every tournament he is in, he is a threat to win. you have to win foreign tournaments to be up for the player of the year because there are only what, 5 GSLs?
No Koreans other than MVP kept such a high level of play for such a long time. And Stephano won LSC2 just a month ago, got 3rd at ESWC the week before that and nearly reverse all killed Team Korea at the GSL WC last weekend. Dude is still playing fantastic.
when looking at the whole year, MVP and Stephano are the two best choices. I would have went with MVP, but Stephano is deserving.
No I can't agree because I place very little value on winning euro tourneys because no koreans are there besides hero/taeja usually. MLG/IPLs are 10x harder to win than any major euro tourney due to the level of koreans at those events. Lonestar I don't count as a major tourney either. Stephano wouldn't make my top 5 or even top 10 player of the year and no foreigner would. My top 10 would be all KRs.
lmfao dude, such a korean bias its not even funny. name me your top 10 right now.
In no particular order MVP Taeja Life Sniper DRG Leenock MC Hero Parting Squirtle (all of the top of my head, heres some more if you still don't get the point) Hyun, Symbol, Flash, Rain, Bogus, MKP, Polt, Gumiho, Seed, Bomber, Nestea, Ryung thats 21 players that all could be considered better than Stephano.
Stephano beat 4 of them in a row at GSL World thing.
TT1 beat Stephano in NASL bo3. Idra beat Stephano in WCS. Head-to-head scores don't mean much in this kind of argument.
On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote: Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.
Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.
life, parting and rain only had an impact on the past few months. stephano has been dominating all year. only guy i'd give it to over stephano would be MVP
Dominating foreign tourneys, especially euro tourneys with very few koreans at them doesn't count. Stephano also hasn't been dominating anything lately. No way he deserves player of the year over a korean.
such an annoying argument. Stephano beats koreans at every damn tournament. and not just koreans, the best koreans. every tournament he is in, he is a threat to win. you have to win foreign tournaments to be up for the player of the year because there are only what, 5 GSLs?
No Koreans other than MVP kept such a high level of play for such a long time. And Stephano won LSC2 just a month ago, got 3rd at ESWC the week before that and nearly reverse all killed Team Korea at the GSL WC last weekend. Dude is still playing fantastic.
when looking at the whole year, MVP and Stephano are the two best choices. I would have went with MVP, but Stephano is deserving.
No I can't agree because I place very little value on winning euro tourneys because no koreans are there besides hero/taeja usually. MLG/IPLs are 10x harder to win than any major euro tourney due to the level of koreans at those events. Lonestar I don't count as a major tourney either. Stephano wouldn't make my top 5 or even top 10 player of the year and no foreigner would. My top 10 would be all KRs.
lmfao dude, such a korean bias its not even funny. name me your top 10 right now.
In no particular order MVP Taeja Life Sniper DRG Leenock MC Hero Parting Squirtle (all of the top of my head, heres some more if you still don't get the point) Hyun, Symbol, Flash, Rain, Bogus, MKP, Polt, Gumiho, Seed, Bomber, Nestea, Ryung thats 21 players that all could be considered better than Stephano.
Stephano beat 4 of them in a row at GSL World thing.
beating someone in a BO1 doesn't make you better than them lol, Stephano got 25th-32nd in the actual IPL5 tournament.
On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote: Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.
Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.
life, parting and rain only had an impact on the past few months. stephano has been dominating all year. only guy i'd give it to over stephano would be MVP
Dominating foreign tourneys, especially euro tourneys with very few koreans at them doesn't count. Stephano also hasn't been dominating anything lately. No way he deserves player of the year over a korean.
such an annoying argument. Stephano beats koreans at every damn tournament. and not just koreans, the best koreans. every tournament he is in, he is a threat to win. you have to win foreign tournaments to be up for the player of the year because there are only what, 5 GSLs?
No Koreans other than MVP kept such a high level of play for such a long time. And Stephano won LSC2 just a month ago, got 3rd at ESWC the week before that and nearly reverse all killed Team Korea at the GSL WC last weekend. Dude is still playing fantastic.
when looking at the whole year, MVP and Stephano are the two best choices. I would have went with MVP, but Stephano is deserving.
No I can't agree because I place very little value on winning euro tourneys because no koreans are there besides hero/taeja usually. MLG/IPLs are 10x harder to win than any major euro tourney due to the level of koreans at those events. Lonestar I don't count as a major tourney either. Stephano wouldn't make my top 5 or even top 10 player of the year and no foreigner would. My top 10 would be all KRs.
lmfao dude, such a korean bias its not even funny. name me your top 10 right now.
In no particular order MVP Taeja Life Sniper DRG Leenock MC Hero Parting Squirtle (all of the top of my head, heres some more if you still don't get the point) Hyun, Symbol, Flash, Rain, Bogus, MKP, Polt, Gumiho, Seed, Bomber, Nestea, Ryung thats 21 players that all could be considered better than Stephano.
Stephano beat 4 of them in a row at GSL World thing.
Him beating them once doesn't take away what they have done. Plus there are 21 players up there no way is he better than over half of them to deserve to be called a top 10 player in the world also i completely forgot Violet so thats 22 players lol
That was a very fair point about ViOLet, he does a great job of consistently changing aggression vs. macro styles. The lynch pin is undoubtedly the Infestor, but beyond that he has quite the arsenal.
On December 10 2012 10:50 Wombat_NI wrote: Just going to pull a top 10 list out of my ass.
1. MVP 2. DRG 3. Leenock (pretty interchangeable with 4) 4. Life 5. Taeja: The Summer of Taeja was incredible Starcraft 6. Stephano: People are forgetting just how good he was for a while. 7. Gumiho: Clutch teamleague monster, 2 GSTL titles 8. MC: Always there or thereabouts, however he is very inconsistent. 9. Seed: Broke the Protoss duck in GSL. 10. HerO: Consistently good play
I'd stick in Rain, but he's not been around for the whole year. He's also just dropped to Code B. If he showed the kind of play we've seen from him so far, over a longer period he'd 100% be in here.
Is this for player of the yar? How could mkp not crack top 10 for what he did in the first half of the year and now back to back ro8 code S?
He hasn't made deep Code S runs, or had a good spell over foreign tournies in different periods. That said, not his fault that Prime can't send him everywhere. If he'd have won WCG he probably would have made it in but he didn't do that well there alas. Parting likewise, much as I love him didn't quite do it for me.
That and the glasses. He looks like what Elton John would look like if he was reincarnated as a Korean progamer.
Come on HerO for game 2! That was a bit sloppy on his part, but that pathing is ridiculous. Daybreak is a terrible map anyway, surprised people aren't more vocal in having it removed
On December 10 2012 10:55 farvacola wrote: I really did not like NASL's "awards", they felt like some weird attempt at forcing the public to recognize a critical opinion out of nowhere.
On a more positive note, Violet looks to have taken an insurmountable lead in game 1
Na, NASL's awards are fine. They're trying to celebrate the whole year of NASL and of the starcraft scene as a whole. I don't see what's wrong with that.
Meh, to each their own, I just see 500 word posts on TL defending opinions on who the "best" player is and which tournament was the "best"; the awards felt more like throwaway compliments with little substance. Not a big deal in any case, Violet's playin hot and the tournaments been great otherwise
On December 10 2012 11:02 klops wrote: am i the only one who thinks this tournament has been really great for SC2 in terms of enjoyment. i was drained of SC2 but now i'm looking forward to 2013.
soooo agreed
i really like the league format, but they shouldn't have played the ro16 online. the lasting ro8 lacks really of background when you don't follow the nasl on a daily basis...
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