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On December 09 2012 09:28 Lawliet wrote:
These games were horribly one sided. None of the Kespa players did anything "tailor built" or anything either. Just straight up outplayed or in Jaedong's case SOUL TRAIN.
They didn't have their core though I guess we'll see. But this is very worrisome. Will this happen frequently? I can't see EGTL doing very well without HerO and Taeja. And that's only 2 wins.
I can see the team doing very well in all kill format though.
There's a couple players that haven't had the chance to play but they were in the lineup for the day. It's just the first match and the circumstances were pretty bad. with Hero, Taeja, Stephano, Sea, JYP, Puma and a few other players that can do damage (Jaedong, Idra, Huk, Thorzain and Zenio are all capable players that could play in certain situations) I don't see how they would be very beatable in that league. SKTelecom is really the biggest obstacle they have though. I see EGTL being extremely solid in all-kill format as well due to having 3 very very good aces (1 of each race, too).
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Because Air Force ACE needed to be replaced.
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Taeja and HerO can be considered aces but stephano (I'm saying this as a stephano fan) has yet to prove himself in korea, he also doesn't tend to study players styles very often; something that could be a problem.
EGTL can only do well if they make their players prioritise proleague over international personal events like all the other teams in the league will do IMO.
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people who think stephano is gonna win all his games without preparation are funny. my bet is he gets his ass handed to him
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On December 10 2012 02:40 Djagulingu wrote:
Because Air Force ACE needed to be replaced.
And Kespa also gets a healthy boost of international viewers. It's a win-win. I hope EG-TL can prove them wrong.
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On December 10 2012 04:38 MyTHicaL wrote:
Taeja and HerO can be considered aces but stephano (I'm saying this as a stephano fan) has yet to prove himself in korea, he also doesn't tend to study players styles very often; something that could be a problem.
EGTL can only do well if they make their players prioritise proleague over international personal events like all the other teams in the league will do IMO.
Stephano will do just fine and yes that's their Achilles heel as I pointed out in Mr. Fionn's rankings. PL is a full commitment if you want to find any success.
The KeSPA teams barely take any time off and they only vacation once the season is done.
Early wake up call boys.
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On December 09 2012 23:45 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 23:41 Glioburd wrote:On December 09 2012 22:57 Poopi wrote:On December 09 2012 22:53 lordvnm wrote:On December 09 2012 05:59 revel8 wrote:
I am not saying that Stephano is going to roll the Kespa players. I think they will probably be extremely strong opponents. However obviously Stephano is also going to be one of the strongest players that EG-TL can field and more of a challenge than Zenio. I am keen to see what will happen. Isn't this what people want to see, how Stephano does in Korean tournaments? I don't think that Stephano will make a big difference in Proleague. As mentioned by others it's all about preparation and studying your opponents. And the one think we know about Stephano for sure is: he doesn't train (or in this case: prepare) much. He won't need to prepare much to win. lol. Playing in Proleague vs Kespa players is an other level... He will be very suprised of being raped if he doesn't prepare seriously his matches. It's SC2 not BW. It will be very random because bo1 isn't suited for sc2 but still.
what?... Please stop spreading your thoughts as facts.
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On December 09 2012 04:34 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 04:28 decado90 wrote:On December 09 2012 04:17 ssi.bal-listic wrote:
hopefully TLEG can use this loss as a motivation to show the koreans that foreigners can compete at the same level It's been proven for over 10.5 years that they can't. That ship's sailed. fixed
ROFL, sad but true ^^
If you look at the international ELO rankings there's not a single foreigner in the top 10 (yes, Stephano is 11 or something) and like 10 at best in the top 40 :D
Funny how our community is in complete denial and almost never touches the subject.
And well, about BW, do we really need to talk about it ? :p When Testie/mondi/Draco managed to take a game off a B-teamer on iccup every 6 months we were popping up the champagne xD
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On December 10 2012 15:27 ChApFoU wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 04:34 rysecake wrote:On December 09 2012 04:28 decado90 wrote:On December 09 2012 04:17 ssi.bal-listic wrote:
hopefully TLEG can use this loss as a motivation to show the koreans that foreigners can compete at the same level It's been proven for over 10.5 years that they can't. That ship's sailed. fixed ROFL, sad but true ^^ If you look at the international ELO rankings there's not a single foreigner in the top 10 (yes, Stephano is 11 or something) and like 10 at best in the top 40 :D Funny how our community is in complete denial and almost never touches the subject. And well, about BW, do we really need to talk about it ? :p When Testie/mondi/Draco managed to take a game off a B-teamer on iccup every 6 months we were popping up the champagne xD
lmao!
Later on it got a bit easier for them to do. When Draco made the move to Korea he was actually doing really good man.
Like really good. If Draco and NonY stuck I'm sure you would have seen both in PL eventually.
Poor PJ and Lx.
Lx would only make one PL appearance against HoOny and PJ derp... it was more for political reasons more than anything else and those guys were pretty good too. It was really fucking difficult to make the A-Teams back then.
As for the guys ranting about bo1's. It's all about preparation boys and the practice is intense.
New maps; longer seasons; plenty of time to prepare; no excuses. It's intense and there's more pressure to perform.
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On December 10 2012 15:27 ChApFoU wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 04:34 rysecake wrote:On December 09 2012 04:28 decado90 wrote:On December 09 2012 04:17 ssi.bal-listic wrote:
hopefully TLEG can use this loss as a motivation to show the koreans that foreigners can compete at the same level It's been proven for over 10.5 years that they can't. That ship's sailed. fixed ROFL, sad but true ^^ If you look at the international ELO rankings there's not a single foreigner in the top 10 (yes, Stephano is 11 or something) and like 10 at best in the top 40 :D Funny how our community is in complete denial and almost never touches the subject. And well, about BW, do we really need to talk about it ? :p When Testie/mondi/Draco managed to take a game off a B-teamer on iccup every 6 months we were popping up the champagne xD
Even if EG-TL manages to have some impressive runs the fact of the matter is that everyone but Stephano that can actually contribute to Proleague is Korean. Even if Stephano wins a regular match and an ace match in the same series it would hardly be foreigners finally proving they can compete on the same level because the other wins needed would more than likely have come from Taeja/Hero/Jaedong/JYP/Puma/Sea/Zenio. I think after taking such a severe beating from KT there's much less chance of Huk, Idra or Thorzain coming out because you simply can't squander the first few games with such strong competition.
When EG-TL does pull off an upset though, it won't be a victory for foreigners, just foreign money buying Korean talent.
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On December 10 2012 17:21 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 15:27 ChApFoU wrote:On December 09 2012 04:34 rysecake wrote:On December 09 2012 04:28 decado90 wrote:On December 09 2012 04:17 ssi.bal-listic wrote:
hopefully TLEG can use this loss as a motivation to show the koreans that foreigners can compete at the same level It's been proven for over 10.5 years that they can't. That ship's sailed. fixed ROFL, sad but true ^^ If you look at the international ELO rankings there's not a single foreigner in the top 10 (yes, Stephano is 11 or something) and like 10 at best in the top 40 :D Funny how our community is in complete denial and almost never touches the subject. And well, about BW, do we really need to talk about it ? :p When Testie/mondi/Draco managed to take a game off a B-teamer on iccup every 6 months we were popping up the champagne xD Even if EG-TL manages to have some impressive runs the fact of the matter is that everyone but Stephano that can actually contribute to Proleague is Korean. Even if Stephano wins a regular match and an ace match in the same series it would hardly be foreigners finally proving they can compete on the same level because the other wins needed would more than likely have come from Taeja/Hero/Jaedong/JYP/Puma/Sea/Zenio. I think after taking such a severe beating from KT there's much less chance of Huk, Idra or Thorzain coming out because you simply can't squander the first few games with such strong competition. When EG-TL does pull off an upset though, it won't be a victory for foreigners, just foreign money buying Korean talent.
Nope. One of Huk, Idra and Thorzain will always be send. EG cannot have their foreign players sit it out. To be honest im expecting Huk to be sent for the first map in their game vs Cj Entus, Thorzain either map 5 or 6. But than again this week TL should field more players... so maybe its Idra turn.
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Taeja, JD and Hero just have to carry that team. I mean JYP had some success but never won a major tournament. Ro16 GSL and 3th place homestory cup is ok but not that big of a deal. And Puma as a potential ace? No offense but this is the guy who never made it to Code A or?
I´m not saying these guy´s are bad players but they will have huge problems against Kespa teams that practice almost entirely for this tournament.
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On December 10 2012 17:40 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 17:21 Greggle wrote:On December 10 2012 15:27 ChApFoU wrote:On December 09 2012 04:34 rysecake wrote:On December 09 2012 04:28 decado90 wrote:On December 09 2012 04:17 ssi.bal-listic wrote:
hopefully TLEG can use this loss as a motivation to show the koreans that foreigners can compete at the same level It's been proven for over 10.5 years that they can't. That ship's sailed. fixed ROFL, sad but true ^^ If you look at the international ELO rankings there's not a single foreigner in the top 10 (yes, Stephano is 11 or something) and like 10 at best in the top 40 :D Funny how our community is in complete denial and almost never touches the subject. And well, about BW, do we really need to talk about it ? :p When Testie/mondi/Draco managed to take a game off a B-teamer on iccup every 6 months we were popping up the champagne xD Even if EG-TL manages to have some impressive runs the fact of the matter is that everyone but Stephano that can actually contribute to Proleague is Korean. Even if Stephano wins a regular match and an ace match in the same series it would hardly be foreigners finally proving they can compete on the same level because the other wins needed would more than likely have come from Taeja/Hero/Jaedong/JYP/Puma/Sea/Zenio. I think after taking such a severe beating from KT there's much less chance of Huk, Idra or Thorzain coming out because you simply can't squander the first few games with such strong competition. When EG-TL does pull off an upset though, it won't be a victory for foreigners, just foreign money buying Korean talent. Nope. One of Huk, Idra and Thorzain will always be send. EG cannot have their foreign players sit it out. To be honest im expecting Huk to be sent for the first map in their game vs Cj Entus, Thorzain either map 5 or 6. But than again this week TL should field more players... so maybe its Idra turn.
I think IdrA said he's not going to Korea until January so he can't play next week
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MLG vs Proleague showed that even most non-Kespa Koreans have no hope. Let's be honest, if you're not Korean then you're dead weight. Only chance EG-TL has is to fight fire with fire 
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On December 10 2012 18:21 foxmeep wrote:MLG vs Proleague showed that even most non-Kespa Koreans have no hope. Let's be honest, if you're not Korean then you're dead weight. Only chance EG-TL has is to fight fire with fire
If we look at the results its true. But... Both EG an TL are poster boys for numerous companies advertisement. Since foreigners are more marketable than koreans (was there any Kingston ad with Puma and Jyp?) they will be played in PL on maps that they might have some chances with a monster energy can in the hand and then tweet how hard it was when they lost or how easy when the win.
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On December 10 2012 17:21 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 15:27 ChApFoU wrote:On December 09 2012 04:34 rysecake wrote:On December 09 2012 04:28 decado90 wrote:On December 09 2012 04:17 ssi.bal-listic wrote:
hopefully TLEG can use this loss as a motivation to show the koreans that foreigners can compete at the same level It's been proven for over 10.5 years that they can't. That ship's sailed. fixed ROFL, sad but true ^^ If you look at the international ELO rankings there's not a single foreigner in the top 10 (yes, Stephano is 11 or something) and like 10 at best in the top 40 :D Funny how our community is in complete denial and almost never touches the subject. And well, about BW, do we really need to talk about it ? :p When Testie/mondi/Draco managed to take a game off a B-teamer on iccup every 6 months we were popping up the champagne xD Even if EG-TL manages to have some impressive runs the fact of the matter is that everyone but Stephano that can actually contribute to Proleague is Korean. Even if Stephano wins a regular match and an ace match in the same series it would hardly be foreigners finally proving they can compete on the same level because the other wins needed would more than likely have come from Taeja/Hero/Jaedong/JYP/Puma/Sea/Zenio. I think after taking such a severe beating from KT there's much less chance of Huk, Idra or Thorzain coming out because you simply can't squander the first few games with such strong competition. When EG-TL does pull off an upset though, it won't be a victory for foreigners, just foreign money buying Korean talent.
Be carefull about this subject... And talking about Draco... You could bring back Rekrul ....
Also i was so psyched saturday morning when i saw flash OUTMACRO a Zerg. That was beautifull. And the 8th and 7th made their first win. Hope KT can be more and more solid during the seasons.
I was really worried how SKT1 wasn't dominent in their matches. (Also Fantasy vs Classic was AWESOME).
Also questions (because i won't ready 200 pages as i saw the matches this we).
What are your thoughts on the KespA maps (for those who still roams this thread). And particulary Bifrost.
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On December 10 2012 18:01 USvBleakill wrote:
Taeja, JD and Hero just have to carry that team.
"One does not simply carry a non all-kill league." - Boromir
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i love the new Kespa maps. Yes they are a bit imbalanced but.... Proleague isn't a 1v1 tournament. Its all about choosing the right players (races) to play each map and try to maximize that map potential to win.
By my wood league understanding of maps.
Bifrost. Suck to be a Zerg map (at least vs Protoss), still rather fun strategies possible for all races. Zerg should beware of warpprism play since they can easily lose the main in late game. Very easy map to wall in for terran.
Caldeum: Well some nice ideas on this map. If the player isn't good at adapting he would look just like zenio when he played Flash. Can't say if i love or hate that map after only seeing few games.
Arkanoid: THE DUSTIN BROWDER MAP. Its all destructive rocks (luckly they are on 20 minute timer). Some nice possibilities there in the mid to late game. Early game should be standard. Reaper, banshee for Terran, faaaaaaast expand (did i mention that other races cannot fast expand cause there is netrual creep tumor with timer) for zerg with speed lings, for Protoss have no idea. PS. Just watch Fantasy vs Classic. Rather fun TvT utilising the map to the fullest.
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On December 10 2012 20:19 lordvnm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 18:01 USvBleakill wrote:
Taeja, JD and Hero just have to carry that team. "One does not simply carry a non all-kill league." - Boromir
in a Bo7 with ace match you only need 3 players.
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That's why i didn't get TvZ or PvZ on Bifrost. Why send a zerg when basicly you will eat up Tank Fire from that thin ledge.
And god... 1forcefield can kill you in this map. I think it would be cool for HOTS. but i don't know for zerg in WoL but that's what makes kespa map awesomes 
Caldeum was... Interesting. Got the same idea as you
Zerg can fast expand on Arkanoid. Doa said it in the first match that the creep blocks T and P but the tumor doesn't actually block a Zerg.
Classic vs Fantasy was awesome. I was sur SKT was dead and Fantasy played really well.
The other match(the tvt ... WS ? vs 8th ?) i don't remember was not really good but yeah. Arkanoid is fun.
Bifrost was my most concern.
On December 10 2012 20:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 20:19 lordvnm wrote:On December 10 2012 18:01 USvBleakill wrote:
Taeja, JD and Hero just have to carry that team. "One does not simply carry a non all-kill league." - Boromir in a Bo7 with ace match you only need 3 players.
Actually you need 4
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