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hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
December 08 2012 18:39 GMT
#4221
On December 09 2012 03:36 kuroshiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 01:33 kafkaesque wrote:
On December 09 2012 01:31 kuroshiro wrote:
Did doa get to cast?


Yeah and he was brilliant.


Yay, glad he didn't take too big a hit from the casting confusion, he's a solid caster.


I agree. He was quite good last night.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
December 08 2012 19:14 GMT
#4222
Even though it wouldn't have mattered, but playing Zenio/JYP/HuK over Sea is a huge mistake.
ssi.bal-listic
Profile Joined October 2010
United States568 Posts
December 08 2012 19:17 GMT
#4223
hopefully TLEG can use this loss as a motivation to show the koreans that foreigners can compete at the same level
"It's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you" "The strong one doesn't win, the one that wins is strong"
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
December 08 2012 19:23 GMT
#4224
EG/TL does have an amazing lineup, but it's going to really depend upon how much prep time these players are able to give to Proleague. You can't get by with just having a group of great players. Taeja, Stephano, and HerO are all going to be studied endlessly by whoever draws them and if they don't prepare with the same intensity they will lose. Look at Oz vs. Stephano awhile back (I forget which tournament) where Oz used a build that abused every one of Stephano's timings and ended up totally destroying him. That's the kind of thing TL/EG's top players are going to have to deal with every week in proleague (especially with so much game tape of them out).

I'm sure TL/EG will put a huge amount of time into this, and do much better in the upcoming weeks, but their end results are all going to come down to their prep work for specific teams. Hopefully they're willing to make some sacrifices in terms of other tournaments.
decado90
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States480 Posts
December 08 2012 19:28 GMT
#4225
On December 09 2012 04:17 ssi.bal-listic wrote:
hopefully TLEG can use this loss as a motivation to show the koreans that foreigners can compete at the same level


It's been proven for over 1.5 years that they can't. That ship's sailed.
"Be formless like water"- Bruce Lee
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
December 08 2012 19:34 GMT
#4226
On December 09 2012 04:28 decado90 wrote:
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On December 09 2012 04:17 ssi.bal-listic wrote:
hopefully TLEG can use this loss as a motivation to show the koreans that foreigners can compete at the same level


It's been proven for over 10.5 years that they can't. That ship's sailed.


fixed


The Notorious Winkles
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
December 08 2012 19:53 GMT
#4227
HAhahah oh man people calling PL bo1 seriously do not know a goddamn thing, it is easily the best format available for both interesting/weird upsets while still having the best team generally win/go the distance.
the last wcs commissioner
CantBeShown
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1 Post
December 08 2012 20:18 GMT
#4228
I was all on board with the prediction that EGTL could take out KT before hand but looking again at the predictions for each match I started to realize it was a bit of a long shot. like quite a few predicted that Thorzain would be able to win his match and even then predictions typically went to an epic, deciding ace match between JD and Flash. Since Thorzain (and a good amount of the players playing for the unholy alliance this week) have seemed to be in a bit of a slump in late ( likely due to the curse ) This really started to look like a long shot as the match went on. I still think EGTL is a strong team in this league right now. but they really need their stars tied up in NASL this weekend to carry them.

On a separate note ProLeague seems to have its own metagame going on. partly due to the wonky maps and partly due to the fact that SC1 guys are going for hyper agressive allin-ish builds a good part of the time. It really shows how greedy what we've considered to be "standard play" for a long time can be.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
December 08 2012 20:23 GMT
#4229
On December 09 2012 04:23 Swords wrote: Look at Oz vs. Stephano awhile back (I forget which tournament) where Oz used a build that abused every one of Stephano's timings and ended up totally destroying him.


Actually Stephano won the first game in that series, so he wins if it was a BO1.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
December 08 2012 20:27 GMT
#4230
On December 09 2012 05:23 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 04:23 Swords wrote: Look at Oz vs. Stephano awhile back (I forget which tournament) where Oz used a build that abused every one of Stephano's timings and ended up totally destroying him.


Actually Stephano won the first game in that series, so he wins if it was a BO1.


Which tournament was it? I was positive Oz beat him the first game on Daybreak with the weird triple nexus/void ray opener, but I could easily be wrong.

Either way, the same point applies, the proleague players are going to spend a tremendous amount of time figuring out just how to beat EGTL builds. When Flash lost his streak in BW it was because his opponent studied his play enough to see a flaw in his scouting path at a certain time so he could get a reaver into Flash's base. EGTL needs to prepare at that sort of level (or somewhere close to that, since Flash is kind of a special place) if they're going to make an impact this season.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
December 08 2012 20:42 GMT
#4231
On December 09 2012 05:27 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 05:23 revel8 wrote:
On December 09 2012 04:23 Swords wrote: Look at Oz vs. Stephano awhile back (I forget which tournament) where Oz used a build that abused every one of Stephano's timings and ended up totally destroying him.


Actually Stephano won the first game in that series, so he wins if it was a BO1.


Which tournament was it? I was positive Oz beat him the first game on Daybreak with the weird triple nexus/void ray opener, but I could easily be wrong.

Some MLG arena, I think.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 20:46:50
December 08 2012 20:42 GMT
#4232
On December 09 2012 05:27 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 05:23 revel8 wrote:
On December 09 2012 04:23 Swords wrote: Look at Oz vs. Stephano awhile back (I forget which tournament) where Oz used a build that abused every one of Stephano's timings and ended up totally destroying him.


Actually Stephano won the first game in that series, so he wins if it was a BO1.


Which tournament was it? I was positive Oz beat him the first game on Daybreak with the weird triple nexus/void ray opener, but I could easily be wrong.

Either way, the same point applies, the proleague players are going to spend a tremendous amount of time figuring out just how to beat EGTL builds. When Flash lost his streak in BW it was because his opponent studied his play enough to see a flaw in his scouting path at a certain time so he could get a reaver into Flash's base. EGTL needs to prepare at that sort of level (or somewhere close to that, since Flash is kind of a special place) if they're going to make an impact this season.


He lost the first game on Antiga in MLG summer arena. And the build Oz used (mainly 1 gate expands) where not tailored to Stephano, he used the exact same ones against every zerg in that tournament.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
December 08 2012 20:51 GMT
#4233
On December 09 2012 01:44 revel8 wrote:
Not the best of starts for TL-EG! I am sure they will improve. The longer they are together the better they will integrate. Stephano, Taeja and Hero are currently the three big hitters in that team. Deploy them and they will look much stronger. Anyway I have no doubt that the fixtures with TL-EG will have the most Foreigner interest throughout the season.

What are they going to call the EG base in Korea - The EG Hive?

Thorzain was jet-lagged and so not at his best, he will improve. So far the best performing Foreigner in ProLeague this season has been DOA. He was excellent.


its called The Lab
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 21:07:59
December 08 2012 20:59 GMT
#4234
On December 09 2012 05:27 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 05:23 revel8 wrote:
On December 09 2012 04:23 Swords wrote: Look at Oz vs. Stephano awhile back (I forget which tournament) where Oz used a build that abused every one of Stephano's timings and ended up totally destroying him.


Actually Stephano won the first game in that series, so he wins if it was a BO1.


Which tournament was it? I was positive Oz beat him the first game on Daybreak with the weird triple nexus/void ray opener, but I could easily be wrong.


This was in MLG Summer Arena. Stephano won the first game in Antigua. Second game was in Entombed.

http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/91880-summer-arena-wbr3-stephano-vs-oz-game-2

I am not saying that Stephano is going to roll the Kespa players. I think they will probably be extremely strong opponents. However obviously Stephano is also going to be one of the strongest players that EG-TL can field and more of a challenge than Zenio. I am keen to see what will happen. Isn't this what people want to see, how Stephano does in Korean tournaments? OK not GSL Code S, but the Kespa equivalent. As Stephano will be in Korea to play in some of these Proleague fixtures, maybe he can take the time to play in Code S too. The schedules have to match up of course, but it is possible.
Mouriner
Profile Joined March 2004
Brazil396 Posts
December 08 2012 21:02 GMT
#4235
Amazing!! :D
Iberville
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada207 Posts
December 08 2012 21:17 GMT
#4236
What an exciting match. I’m surprised that everyone was giving it to EGTL, and was not one bit surprised when KT Rolfstomped over the ill-prepared foreign team. I found that game one was one of the best games on an exciting new map which will really shake things up.

With PL we’re really getting to see what élite players are made of. Most games were short, and bordered abuse.

I’m sure EGTL will be able to turn this around once they stop being all jet lagged and get decent prep time in.
I promise not to make a tasteless joke.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
December 08 2012 21:31 GMT
#4237
VODs
starleague forever
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 22:31:57
December 08 2012 22:28 GMT
#4238
+ Show Spoiler +
I knew KT would win this.

More work for EG-TL ahead.


Nice to see a PL thread with 200+ pages.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 08 2012 22:54 GMT
#4239
Anyone know if this was viewable over twitch, or if it was just a black screen because of the pay wall?
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
December 08 2012 22:57 GMT
#4240
On December 09 2012 07:54 kollin wrote:
Anyone know if this was viewable over twitch, or if it was just a black screen because of the pay wall?


I saw some of the stream and then the VODs on twitch for free.
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