EPT[WCS] Global Finals Day 2 - Page 385
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On November 18 2012 20:54 KimJongChill wrote: i think the issue most people have is that the main tournament itself was a handful of koreans against a bunch of fodder foreigners (with some surprising exceptions), while the most challenging part of the tournament was relatively obscure and just a bunch of bo3's. it also didn't help that it was almost all pvp. The fodder foreigners wont go away anytime soon. With the kespa players rising and changing the amount of training needed to be an average Code S player, the situation of foreigners at mixed tournaments will get worse. I dont expect any foreigner winning more than 8000$ at an open tournament in 2013. | ||
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tylerf
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Waxangel
United States33705 Posts
On November 18 2012 20:58 Dodgin wrote: Don't do it, you're gonna get more backlash than the Elephant in the Room i think it's pretty obv ppl dont' think parting is #1, why make up strawmen ignorant fans to hate when there are plenty of real ones  | ||
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StooPidMonkey
77 Posts
On November 18 2012 20:53 Fionn wrote: Parting was playing very well, but then got beat up by Polt and Sniper in the Ro16 of Code S. It's hard to call someone the best in the world when they got bopped by an S-level Terran and Zerg, then go to BWC and beat foreigners up to a final against a Protoss. Anyone think hes the best is as lunatic as rush limbaugh. Neither creator even if had a different result in the final. PVP is one of the reasons blizzard want to make Hots. | ||
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thepuppyassassin
900 Posts
On November 18 2012 20:56 teamamerica wrote: . An actual world champion, would, in my opinion, be the best players competing against the best. I don't know the solution to this and maybe I'm just looking at this the wrong way but just seeing if anyone else feels the same way? Luckily we do have a tournament that fits your criteria. It's called the GSL! We should all start calling the current gsl champion the world champion instead. It is the global starleague after all... | ||
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On November 18 2012 20:54 nonsequitur wrote: Yeah, all this bitching about Parting not deserving of the trophy is really inane. Do you feel Barcelona don't deserve to win the Champions League because they didn't play against Real Madrid or any of the other top clubs? Will you only be satisfied if the champion beats every single pro player? If so, why even watch tournaments then? Lol. He totally deserved the win, and I'm really happy he finally has that big tournament win I think he's been on the verge of for a while. I think people are just saying, he's not the best in the world, even if he did earn this tournament win. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On November 18 2012 20:58 Valikyr wrote: Not sure exactly where he would realistically rank overall but Rain, Creator and Parting, the top 3, is also the three best protoss players in the world with Seed being up there too. Seed is bad now. | ||
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Woizit
801 Posts
Yep, I meant HerO vs Stephano. Guess it still has an Idra stamp on a fake out of that magnitude heh. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33705 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On November 18 2012 20:56 Waxangel wrote: there's no dichotomy between parting fully deserving to win this tournament and him definitely not being the best in the world D: informal fallacies are a bitch, aren't they? | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
On November 18 2012 20:52 IshinShishi wrote: Some (like Mvp) forfeited their spots, the truth is that very few of the koreans focused fully on wcs and instead tried to make something happen in the more immediate challenges, the quality of the games made this very clear, I can't even recall a single memorable game in this entire WCS. They forfeited after losing, and going into losers bracket in the very first round. That doesnt give them credibility of any sort. | ||
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Mirrikh
Romania105 Posts
Parting has been consistently good all year long (albeit never considered THE top player) and that's what makes you the winner of such a lengthy and prestigious tournament. | ||
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covetousrat
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On November 18 2012 21:00 Waxangel wrote: this is all tasteless' fault Tasteless and his damn hype. | ||
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Ronin2011
Greece30 Posts
2nd Protoss 3rd Protoss Nerf Zerg.. they're so OP! Let's hope Blizzard reconsider hearing bronze player voices... User was warned for this post | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On November 18 2012 21:00 opterown wrote: Leenock still Legit World ChampionTM Yeah man. | ||
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Chill Penguin
Australia756 Posts
Did Parting deserve it? Yes Did Parting get very lucky? Yes Is Parting the best in the world? Definitely not. How was the tournament overall? Disappointing. | ||
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ShAdZ_ZX
Australia635 Posts
On November 18 2012 20:56 teamamerica wrote: Am I the only one who feels like this doesn't actually crown the 'world champion' the way that TI2 did? I'm feeling this way because a lot of the really good Koreans, namely the Korean Terrans, didn't qualify. Among the multitude of tournaments, I think WCS Korea feel by the wayside for some players. MVP and MC forfeited their matches in the losers bracket to attend IEM Cologne as one example, and who knows how players used practiced between this and GSL. Sure Parting is one of the best in Korea, but no one could objectively say he's the best player in Korea. He couldn't even make it out of his Ro16 GSL group - and now he's the best in the world? My distaste of this tournament comes from the fact the tournament effectively affirmative actions in a ton of players, when if it were really just a tournament of the best players in the world determined by people playing each other it would be much more Korean biased. An actual world champion, would, in my opinion, be the best players competing against the best. I don't know the solution to this and maybe I'm just looking at this the wrong way but just seeing if anyone else feels the same way? Everyone in it was good definitely, Suppy almost beat Parting and tons of upsets, but that's an 'any given Sunday' type of thing to me - performance in one tournament can fluctuate. What my problem is in determining how they got there - it doesn't gather the best players in the world and then put them into a tournament to see whose the best on that day, not this. Anyway, dat check :O Anyone who knows anything about professional Starcraft can recognise that the only real credibility the top placing players of BWC deserve is their performance in the Korean/Asian qualifiers. The player pool was an absolute joke here, and there for the achievement of BWC champion is non-existent. Casters will continue to go one about it to cater to the narrow minded, but the real credit Parting deserves is his placing at the Kr/Asian quals. | ||
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