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On November 18 2012 20:52 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:46 Jehct wrote:On November 18 2012 20:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 18 2012 20:40 Vandrad wrote:On November 18 2012 20:39 Dodgin wrote:
Okay so in this tournament
Parting defeated
Illusion
Socke
Scarlett
Suppy
Sen
Creator
Only one Korean player and one Code A/B player.
Congrats on the easiest 100k of your life. If it was os easy why didn't you won it? I didn't say it was easy, I said it was the easiest 100k of his life. Compare that run to winning two GSL's and getting second in another, which is what you would have to do to match the 100k prize money. Compare the many tournaments where Stephano has made bank to an MLG... prize money isn't equitable in eSports (at all). That said, this tournament had more barriers to entry (all the qualifiers, limited korean representatives) and demanded more consistency than almost any other. What more do you want? Some (like Mvp) forfeited their spots, the truth is that very few of the koreans focused fully on wcs and instead tried to make something happen in the more immediate challenges, the quality of the games made this very clear, I can't even recall a single memorable game in this entire WCS.
No, two players forfeited their spots (MVP and MC). That's it. Every other player couldn't perform consistently enough to make it this far. It was an absolutely brutal tournament where the chances of actually winning and making the $, after an assload of games, were so low that the two winningest players in the world decided it wasn't worth it.
Saying it's not one of the biggest achievements in starcraft so far is ridiculous O_o
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This has been a joy to watch despite having to swap back and forth to the Korean stream on day 1. Ultra congrats to Parting! Those finals were intense!
And to purposefully tick off this "community": Parting - best player in the wurrrrrld!
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On November 16 2012 07:39 PVJ wrote:
I would love to see PartinG to win this out of the blue. My other dark horse is herO[join].
Fuck I'm so happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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there's no dichotomy between parting fully deserving to win this tournament and him definitely not being the best in the world D:
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On November 18 2012 20:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:46 Makro wrote:
startale is really on fire, is it thanks to redbull ? Good one. ;D
Well RB definitely knows where to invest the best. First Vettel, now StarTale. I guess they smell winners. :D
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Am I the only one who feels like this doesn't actually crown the 'world champion' the way that TI2 did?
I'm feeling this way because a lot of the really good Koreans, namely the Korean Terrans, didn't qualify. Among the multitude of tournaments, I think WCS Korea feel by the wayside for some players. MVP and MC forfeited their matches in the losers bracket to attend IEM Cologne as one example, and who knows how players used practiced between this and GSL.
Sure Parting is one of the best in Korea, but no one could objectively say he's the best player in Korea. He couldn't even make it out of his Ro16 GSL group - and now he's the best in the world?
My distaste of this tournament comes from the fact the tournament effectively affirmative actions in a ton of players, when if it were really just a tournament of the best players in the world determined by people playing each other it would be much more Korean biased. An actual world champion, would, in my opinion, be the best players competing against the best. I don't know the solution to this and maybe I'm just looking at this the wrong way but just seeing if anyone else feels the same way?
Everyone in it was good definitely, Suppy almost beat Parting and tons of upsets, but that's an 'any given Sunday' type of thing to me - performance in one tournament can fluctuate. What my problem is in determining how they got there - it doesn't gather the best players in the world and then put them into a tournament to see whose the best on that day, not this.
Anyway, dat check :O
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On November 18 2012 20:55 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:51 Wildmoon wrote:
There will be WCS next year? It;s pretty damn amazing tournament overall. I would say that it's the best if you count all continental tourny. Blizzard will host the WCS next year at Blizzcon.
WCS Finals at Blizzcon will be soooo much better than this.
I hope they go to Stockholm the year after and let the Dreamhack guys do their thing.
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I wish players who are literally considered the best right now (rain, life, mvp) could have taken the tournament. I want to see more consistency in the champions.. I want to see a dynasty.
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That "best player in the world" phrase made me cringe every time.
Realistically i doubt he would really qualify in the top 5 or 10.
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On November 18 2012 20:51 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:48 Dodgin wrote:On November 18 2012 20:46 Jehct wrote:On November 18 2012 20:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 18 2012 20:40 Vandrad wrote:On November 18 2012 20:39 Dodgin wrote:
Okay so in this tournament
Parting defeated
Illusion
Socke
Scarlett
Suppy
Sen
Creator
Only one Korean player and one Code A/B player.
Congrats on the easiest 100k of your life. If it was os easy why didn't you won it? I didn't say it was easy, I said it was the easiest 100k of his life. Compare that run to winning two GSL's and getting second in another, which is what you would have to do to match the 100k prize money. Compare the many tournaments where Stephano has made bank to an MLG... prize money isn't equitable in eSports (at all). That said, this tournament had more barriers to entry (all the qualifiers, limited korean representatives) and demanded more consistency than almost any other. What more do you want? I don't want anything, I'm just telling it how it is. Qualifying for this event as a KR player is extremely tough, because you had to place well in two tournaments beforehand. Parting was rewarded generously with a good bracket, and he took advantage. Beating the players listed does not make him the best in the world, that's the only point. I don't like the tasteless hype because all the casual viewers will buy into it and I don't want to hear any crap about Parting being the best player in the world. Anyone who follows the scene well enough will know PartinG isn't the best in the world. And unfortunately casuals claiming random player #1298 as the best player in the world is a risk we take by trying to cater to the casual fanbase, which apparently we have to do to keep SC2 a viable eSport. The more fans SC2 has, the more likely you are to find someone with a stupid opinion. Just how it goes.
I'm fine with casuals calling Parting the best player in the world, means less people saying Stephano or Scarlett is the best player in the world
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both dustin and morheim acted really acward... weird.
they just had to hug their new world champion.
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On November 18 2012 20:54 nonsequitur wrote:
Yeah, all this bitching about Parting not deserving of the trophy is really inane. Do you feel Barcelona don't deserve to win the Champions League because they didn't play against Real Madrid or any of the other top clubs? Will you only be satisfied if the champion beats every single pro player? If so, why even watch tournaments then?
No one is saying he doesn't deserve the trophy. We're saying he's not "THE BEST IN TEH WORLD"
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On November 18 2012 20:52 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:46 Jehct wrote:On November 18 2012 20:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 18 2012 20:40 Vandrad wrote:On November 18 2012 20:39 Dodgin wrote:
Okay so in this tournament
Parting defeated
Illusion
Socke
Scarlett
Suppy
Sen
Creator
Only one Korean player and one Code A/B player.
Congrats on the easiest 100k of your life. If it was os easy why didn't you won it? I didn't say it was easy, I said it was the easiest 100k of his life. Compare that run to winning two GSL's and getting second in another, which is what you would have to do to match the 100k prize money. Compare the many tournaments where Stephano has made bank to an MLG... prize money isn't equitable in eSports (at all). That said, this tournament had more barriers to entry (all the qualifiers, limited korean representatives) and demanded more consistency than almost any other. What more do you want? Some (like Mvp) forfeited their spots, the truth is that very few of the koreans focused fully on wcs and instead tried to make something happen in the more immediate challenges, the quality of the games made this very clear, I can't even recall a single memorable game in this entire WCS.
HerO vs Stephano Game 3 is pretty unforgettable for me 
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On November 18 2012 20:49 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:44 Dodgin wrote:On November 18 2012 20:42 Jehct wrote:On November 18 2012 20:39 Dodgin wrote:
Okay so in this tournament
Parting defeated
Illusion
Socke
Scarlett
Suppy
Sen
Creator
Only one Korean player and one Code A/B player.
Congrats on the easiest 100k of your life. ...because every other Code S/A/B korean was knocked out either earlier in the tournament or in the many qualifiers leading up to it Seriously, wtf? This was a lot harder to win, and required a lot more consistency, than any single Code S championship. He got third in WCS KR, second in WCS Asia, first here. That's fucking amazing. Trying to downplay the achievement is just messed up You're missing the point, I'm not trying to downplay his achievement or anything, he played really well and did great in WCS KR and WCS asia to get to this point but the players he had to beat to win this makes it the easiest 100k he will ever make in his life. ...except those players beat the other players you would demand he beat to make it the hardest $100k of his life. What do you want him to do, beat every single player in every qualifier in the most convoluted group stage format ever invented? Literally every big name was in the different qualifiers/events, and he was the last guy standing. That's the equivalent to an olympics, and why it gets hyped. This bitching is bad.
My point is that winning the "biggest tournament of the year" shouldn't be so ridiculously easy compared to how hard he had to fight in the Korean/Asian qualifiers. The ONLY way to decide a "best player in the world" is to have all of the best players there, which was absolutely not the case. I'm not taking a shot at Parting, he did what needed to be done, my problem is with the tournament itself.
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On November 18 2012 20:53 jnd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:48 Hiea wrote:
While It's amazing for PartinG that he won, I feel like this tournament was simply underwhelming, it may be because the time schedule was awful for anyone living in Europe, but I think it's also because the korean players in this tournament, it was decided in August, thats 3+ months ago, and we all know how rapidly the top players can change this year.
We went sort of like this - DRG>MKP>TaeJa>Rain>Life>Leenock>???? Do you realize this wasn't about finding the best Korean but tournament with worldwide representation? I don't know how could anyone who watched the regional finals or even qualifiers before call it underwhelming. This tournament is simply the largest SC2 ever had and grand finals was "only" the end. I'm pretty sure Europeans enjoyed the European finals.
The problem is that these players were the best of the best, 3 months ago, with how rapidly everything changes, it feels underwhelming to watch "The World Championship" when the players that everyone agrees is the best in the world, is not in this tournament, because of how the qualifiers worked out.
A whole other problem with this tournament is the fact its a weekend tournament, its incredibly hard to follow the storylines, I saw PartinG vs Sen and Illusion of this tournament, just because of the massive amount of games they put into 2 days.
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Now PartinG vs. MC. To battle out who is the real Boss Toss.
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On November 18 2012 20:55 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:53 Fionn wrote:On November 18 2012 20:51 LimitSEA wrote:On November 18 2012 20:48 Dodgin wrote:On November 18 2012 20:46 Jehct wrote:On November 18 2012 20:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 18 2012 20:40 Vandrad wrote:On November 18 2012 20:39 Dodgin wrote:
Okay so in this tournament
Parting defeated
Illusion
Socke
Scarlett
Suppy
Sen
Creator
Only one Korean player and one Code A/B player.
Congrats on the easiest 100k of your life. If it was os easy why didn't you won it? I didn't say it was easy, I said it was the easiest 100k of his life. Compare that run to winning two GSL's and getting second in another, which is what you would have to do to match the 100k prize money. Compare the many tournaments where Stephano has made bank to an MLG... prize money isn't equitable in eSports (at all). That said, this tournament had more barriers to entry (all the qualifiers, limited korean representatives) and demanded more consistency than almost any other. What more do you want? I don't want anything, I'm just telling it how it is. Qualifying for this event as a KR player is extremely tough, because you had to place well in two tournaments beforehand. Parting was rewarded generously with a good bracket, and he took advantage. Beating the players listed does not make him the best in the world, that's the only point. I don't like the tasteless hype because all the casual viewers will buy into it and I don't want to hear any crap about Parting being the best player in the world. Anyone who follows the scene well enough will know PartinG isn't the best in the world. And unfortunately casuals claiming random player #1298 as the best player in the world is a risk we take by trying to cater to the casual fanbase, which apparently we have to do to keep SC2 a viable eSport. The more fans SC2 has, the more likely you are to find someone with a stupid opinion. Just how it goes. Parting was playing very well, but then got beat up by Polt and Sniper in the Ro16 of Code S. It's hard to call someone the best in the world when they got bopped by an S-level Terran and Zerg, then go to BWC and beat foreigners up to a final against a Protoss. sounds liek an article
Don't do it, you're gonna get more backlash than the Elephant in the Room
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On November 18 2012 20:58 Bizeheryer wrote:
Now PartinG vs. MC. To battle out who is the real Boss Toss.
MC: "oh you won 100k? That's cute"
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On November 18 2012 20:57 Woizit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 20:52 IshinShishi wrote:On November 18 2012 20:46 Jehct wrote:On November 18 2012 20:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 18 2012 20:40 Vandrad wrote:On November 18 2012 20:39 Dodgin wrote:
Okay so in this tournament
Parting defeated
Illusion
Socke
Scarlett
Suppy
Sen
Creator
Only one Korean player and one Code A/B player.
Congrats on the easiest 100k of your life. If it was os easy why didn't you won it? I didn't say it was easy, I said it was the easiest 100k of his life. Compare that run to winning two GSL's and getting second in another, which is what you would have to do to match the 100k prize money. Compare the many tournaments where Stephano has made bank to an MLG... prize money isn't equitable in eSports (at all). That said, this tournament had more barriers to entry (all the qualifiers, limited korean representatives) and demanded more consistency than almost any other. What more do you want? Some (like Mvp) forfeited their spots, the truth is that very few of the koreans focused fully on wcs and instead tried to make something happen in the more immediate challenges, the quality of the games made this very clear, I can't even recall a single memorable game in this entire WCS. HerO vs Idra Game 3 is pretty unforgettable for me
Well, they didn't play, so...
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On November 18 2012 20:56 Meggiroth wrote:
That "best player in the world" phrase made me cringe every time.
Realistically i doubt he would really qualify in the top 5 or 10.
Not sure exactly where he would realistically rank overall but Rain, Creator and Parting, the top 3, is also the three best protoss players in the world with Seed being up there too.
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