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fanvadmeck
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden112 Posts
June 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#3461
Eh why are they showing naniwa - livezerg again?
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
June 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#3462
On June 18 2012 03:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:02 Fusilero wrote:
On June 18 2012 03:01 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:56 Fusilero wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:54 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:52 Fragile51 wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15

Yeah seems even



Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should.


terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney


lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha

Have you seen Goody's record vs Code S players?


Goody's record vs GSL winners is even more impressive! :p

Seriously, I'm absolutely cannot explain for the life of me why the Goody=Bonjwa talks have been so suppressed. He has a better legend-killing record than Jaejae.

Goody's got a better record vs MVP than baby does, baby has a good record vs tbls what can we conclude? Goody > TBLS EZ PZ.


The "better player than" is obviously a transitional property, obviously.

baby has a good record vs tbls


Bisu
Jaedong
Stork
Flash

I don't know where you are getting that from... you can obviously say he's better than Stork, obviously, but that's about it.

TIL: People actually think statements like this are serious.


I've used cold-hard facts to prove that Goody is the among the toppest-tier players. You've got nothing. Touchdown.

Psssst I'm not actually a goody fan he's not byun or on zenex so I could care less about goody I was making a goody = bonjwa joke.
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ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
June 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#3463
On June 18 2012 03:04 c78331 wrote:
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On June 18 2012 02:59 Toadvine wrote:
I honestly don't see how anyone can claim livezerg played better in that game. Naniwa managed every single engagement better, capitalized on a ton of positional mistakes of Livezerg, and then just lost anyway cause it's basically impossible to attack a 5 base Zerg on Metropolis. I'm actually curious what the PvZ record for this map is.


It's favoring protoss by a bit.

You can check tlpd but it's http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/528_Crux_Metropolis in the korean server.
and http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/528_Crux_Metropolis in the european server.



Win/Loss rates dont mean anything about the state of the metagame/balance. Especially if your about to post some bullshit TvZ stats that are only 115 games. Take that shit out of the LR thread.


Lets get off the balance talk guys.
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Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
June 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#3464
This thread is making me sick. Way too much balance whine and fanboys and haters. I need to get out of here....
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Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
June 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#3465
On June 18 2012 03:05 fanvadmeck wrote:
Eh why are they showing naniwa - livezerg again?

Because in a Bo3 you have to play at least 2 games?
lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
June 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#3466
Carriers are so bad why did Naniwa even get them? I mean obviously carriers + hts are so good but livezerg's air upgrades were so high already and Naniwa had 3-3 ground upgrades. He picked off more than half of livezergs army and traded reasonably cost effectively with him, why didn't he just warp in more HTs and stalkers?
oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
June 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#3467
did bratok stream freeze for anyone else?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 17 2012 18:06 GMT
#3468
On June 18 2012 03:05 oZii wrote:
did bratok stream freeze for anyone else?

mine is still running
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mycro
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1579 Posts
June 17 2012 18:06 GMT
#3469
On June 18 2012 03:05 Chenz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:05 fanvadmeck wrote:
Eh why are they showing naniwa - livezerg again?

Because in a Bo3 you have to play at least 2 games?


livezerg already won 2-1 >_>!
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
June 17 2012 18:06 GMT
#3470
On June 18 2012 03:05 fanvadmeck wrote:
Eh why are they showing naniwa - livezerg again?


Because why would they just show the first game of a series?
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
June 17 2012 18:06 GMT
#3471
On June 18 2012 03:03 mycro wrote:
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On June 18 2012 03:01 Swords wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:59 Keidy wrote:
Naniwa cant play PvZ for shit.



It's his worst matchup, but he played that match well until the carrier decision. He was down 115 supply to a maxed Zerg and held out long enough to fight maxed out army vs. maxed out army.

Does anyone know what the upgrades were on his Stalkers shields/armor at the end? I have a feeling that may have killed him.


he had 3-3 ground, with like +1 shield

Thanks! Well, I dunno then, maybe he needed more shields. It seems pretty weak that even though he feedbacked every single infestor he still lost that fight.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 17 2012 18:07 GMT
#3472
On June 18 2012 03:04 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:02 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 03:01 Shiori wrote:
On June 18 2012 03:00 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:59 Tpox wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:51 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15

Yeah seems even



Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should.


terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney


lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha



No. I mean that if more than 4 good terrans were invited, they would be in the list.

The terrans that made it are the only good terrans.

Also...Goody vs MMA would like a word



I seriuosly have no idea how many times during these two days it have been said but DH is an OPEN tournament, there is no invites what so ever!!



so flip out for no reason?

ok then, no good terrans qualified....If more terrans had qualified/entered into the qualifiers, they would be there.

Its a race representation problem. Not a balance issue. My point still stands.

Wtf? Who are the amazing Zergs at this event? Cytoplasm?


My original post was before Puma got beat.

Fucking people not reading threads man. People need to either not join in discussion, or read the replies.

Somebody posted the numbers for protoss/terran/zerg (before the puma/cyto game). I posted:
its a race representation problem, not balance. There wasn't even a fucking game.

Now i agree with you. Zerg is prolly OP. But that is irrelevant to not many terrans being in this tourney. The terrans jsut weren't here.

You're the one who implied that, and I quote, "Goody, Cloud, and Kas" are good Terrans. Kas, fine; he's a top level Euro Terran. Cloud? Firmly mid-level. Goody?! Glorified high Masters player who coinflipped MMA and got lucky. There are plenty of good Terrans at this event, and they're all getting smashed. I don't care about the overall "representation," but only because it's not necessary to look at it to realize that the good Terrans are getting rolled by significantly less-good Zergs.

Goody beat MMA in a long macro game But yeh ClouD would be no certainty to make it to this stage of the competition considering JYP, ToD and others went out beforehand. GoOdy also, as much as i love him.


Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
June 17 2012 18:07 GMT
#3473
On June 18 2012 03:05 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:01 graNite wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15

Yeah seems even



Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should.


terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney


so? it is still not close to even. khaldor and i didnt say anything about their skill. dou you get my point?


On top of that, this isn't the only place where Terrans are getting roflstomped. Look at the GTSL stats, look at DRG vs. MKP at MLG. Look at the interview with MVP. The latest patch has turned that matchup to shit.

I don't even play Terran, but as a fan of the game it's stupid to watch.

Meanwhile, in a standard (emphasis here) PvT the Protoss is expected to just hold on for dear life in the early game, and the Terran is supposed to die if they let Protoss get late game. This is because Blizzard decided that it's more fun to have each race be OP depending on what time in the game it is.


Sculp and Jjakji would like a word. (and ST is the worst team in the world if Terran really is that UP right now)
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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 17 2012 18:07 GMT
#3474
On June 18 2012 03:01 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:00 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:59 Tpox wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:51 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15

Yeah seems even



Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should.


terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney


lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha



No. I mean that if more than 4 good terrans were invited, they would be in the list.

The terrans that made it are the only good terrans.

Also...Goody vs MMA would like a word



I seriuosly have no idea how many times during these two days it have been said but DH is an OPEN tournament, there is no invites what so ever!!



so flip out for no reason?

ok then, no good terrans qualified....If more terrans had qualified/entered into the qualifiers, they would be there.

Its a race representation problem. Not a balance issue. My point still stands.

Wtf? Who are the amazing Zergs at this event? Cytoplasm?

No, it's obviously Protosser, Ziktomini, Naugrim and Mini.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
June 17 2012 18:07 GMT
#3475
On June 18 2012 03:06 mycro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:05 Chenz wrote:
On June 18 2012 03:05 fanvadmeck wrote:
Eh why are they showing naniwa - livezerg again?

Because in a Bo3 you have to play at least 2 games?


livezerg already won 2-1 >_>!



no they got their numbers wrong. its 1-0 for now
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
June 17 2012 18:07 GMT
#3476
On June 18 2012 03:06 mycro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:05 Chenz wrote:
On June 18 2012 03:05 fanvadmeck wrote:
Eh why are they showing naniwa - livezerg again?

Because in a Bo3 you have to play at least 2 games?


livezerg already won 2-1 >_>!


no he didnt, game 2 is on right now
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Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
June 17 2012 18:07 GMT
#3477
Harstem takes the lead 1:0 over Naugrim and keeps his chances to advance! Both him and MaNa have to win their last games and then he is in the Ro16.
manloveman
Profile Joined April 2011
424 Posts
June 17 2012 18:07 GMT
#3478
Well talking about inbalance from that nani vs livezerg game is pretty stupid. Nani way behind in upgrades. Blew like 1500 res on a completely impactless less dropplay (even had the upgrade).
Vira
Profile Joined November 2010
573 Posts
June 17 2012 18:07 GMT
#3479
Ret with 3 protoss in his group and Huk with 3 zergs spamming custom games together like hell :D
fanvadmeck
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden112 Posts
June 17 2012 18:07 GMT
#3480
On June 18 2012 03:05 Chenz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:05 fanvadmeck wrote:
Eh why are they showing naniwa - livezerg again?

Because in a Bo3 you have to play at least 2 games?


Oh scoretab said 1-1 at last game so i thought it was over ;D Well that is good news!
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