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On June 18 2012 02:59 Toadvine wrote:
I honestly don't see how anyone can claim livezerg played better in that game. Naniwa managed every single engagement better, capitalized on a ton of positional mistakes of Livezerg, and then just lost anyway cause it's basically impossible to attack a 5 base Zerg on Metropolis. I'm actually curious what the PvZ record for this map is.
I'm pretty certain it's actually a protoss favoured map
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On June 18 2012 03:00 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:59 Tpox wrote:On June 18 2012 02:51 ohampatu wrote:On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
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Yeah seems even Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should. terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha No. I mean that if more than 4 good terrans were invited, they would be in the list. The terrans that made it are the only good terrans. Also...Goody vs MMA would like a word I seriuosly have no idea how many times during these two days it have been said but DH is an OPEN tournament, there is no invites what so ever!! so flip out for no reason? ok then, no good terrans qualified....If more terrans had qualified/entered into the qualifiers, they would be there. Its a race representation problem. Not a balance issue. My point still stands.
Wtf? Who are the amazing Zergs at this event? Cytoplasm?
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I have never ever seen a succesful carrier-play from protoss unless the protoss is already way way ahead. Have you?
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On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should. terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney
so? it is still not close to even. khaldor and i didnt say anything about their skill. dou you get my point?
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On June 18 2012 02:59 Keidy wrote:
Naniwa cant play PvZ for shit.
It's his worst matchup, but he played that match well until the carrier decision. He was down 115 supply to a maxed Zerg and held out long enough to fight maxed out army vs. maxed out army.
Does anyone know what the upgrades were on his Stalkers shields/armor at the end? I have a feeling that may have killed him.
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I feel as if people aren't recognising enough how great rox.kis are doing in this tournament, most players in the 3rd group stages and a player virtually guaranteed to make the bracket and they're now racking up wins over naniwa they're doing amazing this tournament.
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On June 18 2012 02:56 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:54 SarcasmMonster wrote:On June 18 2012 02:52 Fragile51 wrote:On June 18 2012 02:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15
Yeah seems even Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should. terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha Have you seen Goody's record vs Code S players? Goody's record vs GSL winners is even more impressive! :p Seriously, I'm absolutely cannot explain for the life of me why the Goody=Bonjwa talks have been so suppressed. He has a better legend-killing record than Jaejae. Goody's got a better record vs MVP than baby does, baby has a good record vs tbls what can we conclude? Goody > TBLS EZ PZ.
The "better player than" is obviously a transitional property, obviously.
baby has a good record vs tbls
Bisu
Jaedong
Stork
Flash
I don't know where you are getting that from... you can obviously say he's better than Stork, obviously, but that's about it.
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On June 18 2012 03:01 Snusmumriken wrote:
I have never ever seen a succesful carrier-play from protoss unless the protoss is already way way ahead. Have you?
Nope, not in high-level games.
MC says it best:
"Carrier? No. Trash unit."
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On June 18 2012 03:01 Snusmumriken wrote:
I have never ever seen a succesful carrier-play from protoss unless the protoss is already way way ahead. Have you?
WhiteRa wins a lot with Carriers, but only because he gets 3-3 on them and dedicates himself to startoss.
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I think more protosses need to play the squirtle way of out multitasking your opponent with mass warp prisms then going deathball against deathball. So many times we have seen good protoss players lose to zergs just because they went for a straight up fight in the late game.
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On June 18 2012 03:00 MegaFonzie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:59 Toadvine wrote:
I honestly don't see how anyone can claim livezerg played better in that game. Naniwa managed every single engagement better, capitalized on a ton of positional mistakes of Livezerg, and then just lost anyway cause it's basically impossible to attack a 5 base Zerg on Metropolis. I'm actually curious what the PvZ record for this map is. I'm pretty certain it's actually a protoss favoured map
super good for blink + warp prism all ins
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So happy to see fraer and bly do good, Ukraine doesnt just end on Dimaga Wra Strelok and Kas 
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On June 18 2012 03:01 Swords wrote:It's his worst matchup, but he played that match well until the carrier decision. He was down 115 supply to a maxed Zerg and held out long enough to fight maxed out army vs. maxed out army. Does anyone know what the upgrades were on his Stalkers shields/armor at the end? I have a feeling that may have killed him.
3-2-3.
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On June 18 2012 02:59 Toadvine wrote:
I honestly don't see how anyone can claim livezerg played better in that game. Naniwa managed every single engagement better, capitalized on a ton of positional mistakes of Livezerg, and then just lost anyway cause it's basically impossible to attack a 5 base Zerg on Metropolis. I'm actually curious what the PvZ record for this map is.
His late game composition was no match for LiveZerg's. Blinking under 3/3 brood lords was a mistake. He had the ability to make a faster mothership but did not. You need a mothership and HTs with storm to deal with 20+ broods. Naniwa was behind early game from losing a lot of his stalkers to a flank at LiveZerg's front.
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On June 18 2012 03:01 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:56 Fusilero wrote:On June 18 2012 02:54 SarcasmMonster wrote:On June 18 2012 02:52 Fragile51 wrote:On June 18 2012 02:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15
Yeah seems even Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should. terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha Have you seen Goody's record vs Code S players? Goody's record vs GSL winners is even more impressive! :p Seriously, I'm absolutely cannot explain for the life of me why the Goody=Bonjwa talks have been so suppressed. He has a better legend-killing record than Jaejae. Goody's got a better record vs MVP than baby does, baby has a good record vs tbls what can we conclude? Goody > TBLS EZ PZ. The "better player than" is obviously a transitional property, obviously. BisuJaedongStorkFlashI don't know where you are getting that from... you can obviously say he's better than Stork, obviously, but that's about it.
TIL: People actually think statements like this are serious.
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On June 18 2012 03:01 Swords wrote:It's his worst matchup, but he played that match well until the carrier decision. He was down 115 supply to a maxed Zerg and held out long enough to fight maxed out army vs. maxed out army. Does anyone know what the upgrades were on his Stalkers shields/armor at the end? I have a feeling that may have killed him.
3-3-0 (0 shields) I believe.
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On June 18 2012 03:01 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 03:00 ohampatu wrote:On June 18 2012 02:59 Tpox wrote:On June 18 2012 02:51 ohampatu wrote:On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15
Yeah seems even Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should. terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha No. I mean that if more than 4 good terrans were invited, they would be in the list. The terrans that made it are the only good terrans. Also...Goody vs MMA would like a word I seriuosly have no idea how many times during these two days it have been said but DH is an OPEN tournament, there is no invites what so ever!! so flip out for no reason? ok then, no good terrans qualified....If more terrans had qualified/entered into the qualifiers, they would be there. Its a race representation problem. Not a balance issue. My point still stands. Wtf? Who are the amazing Zergs at this event? Cytoplasm?
My original post was before Puma got beat.
Fucking people not reading threads man. People need to either not join in discussion, or read the replies.
Somebody posted the numbers for protoss/terran/zerg (before the puma/cyto game). I posted:
its a race representation problem, not balance. There wasn't even a fucking game.
Now i agree with you. Zerg is prolly OP. But that is irrelevant to not many terrans being in this tourney. The terrans jsut weren't here.
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On June 18 2012 03:01 Snusmumriken wrote:
I have never ever seen a succesful carrier-play from protoss unless the protoss is already way way ahead. Have you?
Watch Pro League.
But I think that is the only one I have seen.
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On June 18 2012 03:00 MegaFonzie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:59 Toadvine wrote:
I honestly don't see how anyone can claim livezerg played better in that game. Naniwa managed every single engagement better, capitalized on a ton of positional mistakes of Livezerg, and then just lost anyway cause it's basically impossible to attack a 5 base Zerg on Metropolis. I'm actually curious what the PvZ record for this map is. I'm pretty certain it's actually a protoss favoured map
I guess 2 base all-ins are good on it? It boggles the mind.
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On June 18 2012 03:01 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:56 Fusilero wrote:On June 18 2012 02:54 SarcasmMonster wrote:On June 18 2012 02:52 Fragile51 wrote:On June 18 2012 02:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15
Yeah seems even Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should. terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha Have you seen Goody's record vs Code S players? Goody's record vs GSL winners is even more impressive! :p Seriously, I'm absolutely cannot explain for the life of me why the Goody=Bonjwa talks have been so suppressed. He has a better legend-killing record than Jaejae. Goody's got a better record vs MVP than baby does, baby has a good record vs tbls what can we conclude? Goody > TBLS EZ PZ. The "better player than" is obviously a transitional property, obviously. BisuJaedongStorkFlashI don't know where you are getting that from... you can obviously say he's better than Stork, obviously, but that's about it.
Goody's record vs Mvp is 1-4. He has winning records against MMA and NesTea though.
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