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Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 18:03:30
June 17 2012 18:03 GMT
#3441
On June 18 2012 03:01 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:01 Snusmumriken wrote:
I have never ever seen a succesful carrier-play from protoss unless the protoss is already way way ahead. Have you?


Nope, not in high-level games.

MC says it best:

"Carrier? No. Trash unit."


True dat. They're even worse than battlecruisers, and that's saying a lot.
Amove for Aiur
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 17 2012 18:03 GMT
#3442
On June 18 2012 03:01 Snusmumriken wrote:
I have never ever seen a succesful carrier-play from protoss unless the protoss is already way way ahead. Have you?


AcE vs some Prime zerg from the TSL qualfier. I saw it was a 39 min game featuring AcE so i dl'd and hoped to be amazed like his GSL game vs BboongBboong, and it didn't dissappoint

mycro
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1579 Posts
June 17 2012 18:03 GMT
#3443
On June 18 2012 03:01 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 02:59 Keidy wrote:
Naniwa cant play PvZ for shit.



It's his worst matchup, but he played that match well until the carrier decision. He was down 115 supply to a maxed Zerg and held out long enough to fight maxed out army vs. maxed out army.

Does anyone know what the upgrades were on his Stalkers shields/armor at the end? I have a feeling that may have killed him.


he had 3-3 ground, with like +1 shield
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 17 2012 18:03 GMT
#3444
On June 18 2012 03:02 moofang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:01 Swords wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:59 Keidy wrote:
Naniwa cant play PvZ for shit.



It's his worst matchup, but he played that match well until the carrier decision. He was down 115 supply to a maxed Zerg and held out long enough to fight maxed out army vs. maxed out army.

Does anyone know what the upgrades were on his Stalkers shields/armor at the end? I have a feeling that may have killed him.


3-3-0 (0 shields) I believe.

Shields were at least at 1, I think they might've been on 2.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 18:04:24
June 17 2012 18:03 GMT
#3445
On June 18 2012 02:59 AxionSteel wrote:
MorroW might be the terran hope with all these zergs around :D


Thorzain still has a great chance to defend his title I think.

Edit: though yeah that was clever. WP
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
fanvadmeck
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden112 Posts
June 17 2012 18:03 GMT
#3446
I wish broodlords had the same attack as guardians and not spawning units so the ai wouldn't fuck up
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Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
June 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#3447
2GD trolling LoL pros hahah
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
June 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#3448
On June 18 2012 03:03 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:01 Snusmumriken wrote:
I have never ever seen a succesful carrier-play from protoss unless the protoss is already way way ahead. Have you?


AcE vs some Prime zerg from the TSL qualfier. I saw it was a 39 min game featuring AcE so i dl'd and hoped to be amazed like his GSL game vs BboongBboong, and it didn't dissappoint



Cool i'll be sure to check that out if I can find it
Amove for Aiur
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
June 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#3449
I just realized can't PuMa still make it if he 2-0s Vampire and fraer 2-0s Cyto? I think he has a chance and I believe!!
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
June 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#3450
Crank won with mass carriers in the GSTL in a match that was pretty neck and neck throughout
@x5_MegaFonzie
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
June 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#3451
On June 18 2012 03:01 Fusilero wrote:
I feel as if people aren't recognising enough how great rox.kis are doing in this tournament, most players in the 3rd group stages and a player virtually guaranteed to make the bracket and they're now racking up wins over naniwa they're doing amazing this tournament.


They are very good. I sayd a long time ago the elephant in the room isnt the BW players comming over its the eastern european and Russian players who are the true elephant in the room.

They have seen how much money can be made and I expect in 1 year the EU scene will be dominated by Russian and eastern european players
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
c78331
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece64 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 18:05:23
June 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#3452
On June 18 2012 02:59 Toadvine wrote:
I honestly don't see how anyone can claim livezerg played better in that game. Naniwa managed every single engagement better, capitalized on a ton of positional mistakes of Livezerg, and then just lost anyway cause it's basically impossible to attack a 5 base Zerg on Metropolis. I'm actually curious what the PvZ record for this map is.


It's favoring protoss by a bit.

You can check tlpd but it's http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/528_Crux_Metropolis in the korean server.
and http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/528_Crux_Metropolis internationally.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#3453
On June 18 2012 03:02 ohampatu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:01 Shiori wrote:
On June 18 2012 03:00 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:59 Tpox wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:51 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15

Yeah seems even



Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should.


terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney


lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha



No. I mean that if more than 4 good terrans were invited, they would be in the list.

The terrans that made it are the only good terrans.

Also...Goody vs MMA would like a word



I seriuosly have no idea how many times during these two days it have been said but DH is an OPEN tournament, there is no invites what so ever!!



so flip out for no reason?

ok then, no good terrans qualified....If more terrans had qualified/entered into the qualifiers, they would be there.

Its a race representation problem. Not a balance issue. My point still stands.

Wtf? Who are the amazing Zergs at this event? Cytoplasm?


My original post was before Puma got beat.

Fucking people not reading threads man. People need to either not join in discussion, or read the replies.

Somebody posted the numbers for protoss/terran/zerg (before the puma/cyto game). I posted:
its a race representation problem, not balance. There wasn't even a fucking game.

Now i agree with you. Zerg is prolly OP. But that is irrelevant to not many terrans being in this tourney. The terrans jsut weren't here.

You're the one who implied that, and I quote, "Goody, Cloud, and Kas" are good Terrans. Kas, fine; he's a top level Euro Terran. Cloud? Firmly mid-level. Goody?! Glorified high Masters player who coinflipped MMA and got lucky. There are plenty of good Terrans at this event, and they're all getting smashed. I don't care about the overall "representation," but only because it's not necessary to look at it to realize that the good Terrans are getting rolled by significantly less-good Zergs.
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
June 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#3454
On June 18 2012 03:02 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:01 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:56 Fusilero wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:54 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:52 Fragile51 wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15

Yeah seems even



Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should.


terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney


lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha

Have you seen Goody's record vs Code S players?


Goody's record vs GSL winners is even more impressive! :p

Seriously, I'm absolutely cannot explain for the life of me why the Goody=Bonjwa talks have been so suppressed. He has a better legend-killing record than Jaejae.

Goody's got a better record vs MVP than baby does, baby has a good record vs tbls what can we conclude? Goody > TBLS EZ PZ.


The "better player than" is obviously a transitional property, obviously.

baby has a good record vs tbls


Bisu
Jaedong
Stork
Flash

I don't know where you are getting that from... you can obviously say he's better than Stork, obviously, but that's about it.

TIL: People actually think statements like this are serious.


I've used cold-hard facts to prove that Goody is the among the toppest-tier players. You've got nothing. Touchdown.
MMA: The true King of Wings
Tpox
Profile Joined February 2012
22 Posts
June 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#3455
On June 18 2012 03:00 ohampatu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 02:59 Tpox wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:51 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15

Yeah seems even



Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should.


terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney


lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha



No. I mean that if more than 4 good terrans were invited, they would be in the list.

The terrans that made it are the only good terrans.

Also...Goody vs MMA would like a word



I seriuosly have no idea how many times during these two days it have been said but DH is an OPEN tournament, there is no invites what so ever!!



so flip out for no reason?

ok then, no good terrans qualified....If more terrans had qualified/entered into the qualifiers, they would be there.

Its a race representation problem. Not a balance issue. My point still stands.


Didn't mean to sound like I fliped out, just kind of annoyning that people never learns. And there was no qualifiers if you don't mean the first group stage, it's 100% open.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
June 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#3456
On June 18 2012 03:02 ohampatu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 03:01 Shiori wrote:
On June 18 2012 03:00 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:59 Tpox wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:51 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:50 AxionSteel wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15

Yeah seems even



Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should.


terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney


lmfao, you actually think Goody and cloud would fare better than PuMa? haha



No. I mean that if more than 4 good terrans were invited, they would be in the list.

The terrans that made it are the only good terrans.

Also...Goody vs MMA would like a word



I seriuosly have no idea how many times during these two days it have been said but DH is an OPEN tournament, there is no invites what so ever!!



so flip out for no reason?

ok then, no good terrans qualified....If more terrans had qualified/entered into the qualifiers, they would be there.

Its a race representation problem. Not a balance issue. My point still stands.

Wtf? Who are the amazing Zergs at this event? Cytoplasm?


My original post was before Puma got beat.

Fucking people not reading threads man. People need to either not join in discussion, or read the replies.

Somebody posted the numbers for protoss/terran/zerg (before the puma/cyto game). I posted:
its a race representation problem, not balance. There wasn't even a fucking game.

Now i agree with you. Zerg is prolly OP. But that is irrelevant to not many terrans being in this tourney. The terrans jsut weren't here.


There aren't many people who read every post in a LR thread. You seem to be one of those special few.
mycro
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1579 Posts
June 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#3457
Why is the bstream re-streaming livezerg vs naniwa.. there isnt another match playing? O_o
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
June 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#3458
On June 18 2012 03:01 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 02:49 ohampatu wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:48 graNite wrote:
P-T-Z
13-4-15

Yeah seems even



Standard when you dont invite: Kas, Goody, Cloud..........Do you get my point? Its been discussed. Not many high EU terrans were invited. and the ones that are here are not doing as well as they should.


terran being weak isn't the problem this tourney


so? it is still not close to even. khaldor and i didnt say anything about their skill. dou you get my point?


On top of that, this isn't the only place where Terrans are getting roflstomped. Look at the GTSL stats, look at DRG vs. MKP at MLG. Look at the interview with MVP. The latest patch has turned that matchup to shit.

I don't even play Terran, but as a fan of the game it's stupid to watch.

Meanwhile, in a standard (emphasis here) PvT the Protoss is expected to just hold on for dear life in the early game, and the Terran is supposed to die if they let Protoss get late game. This is because Blizzard decided that it's more fun to have each race be OP depending on what time in the game it is.
shr0ud
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland222 Posts
June 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#3459
Uhh, so how about those zerg players guys? Aren't they good?
Deckard_Cain
Profile Joined February 2012
493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 18:05:37
June 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#3460
Why was Naniwa going for 3 groundlevel upgrades instead of shields against Z? (especially with the Carrier transition in mind)
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