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SkullZ9
Belgium2048 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:25 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote: Let's just say that if a BW pro did what he did, this thread would be 100 pages longer full of "OMGZZZ AMAZIN" If Bisu played that game, everyone would be talking about revolution, and how thus far, the competition in sc2 has been a farce | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:25 Redox wrote: Yeah and Terran players are naturally the better players, so of course they have to win more. We have heard this story before. Doesn't mean it isn't true. And it's not natural. It's due to several circumstances which have led to this situation, fluke being part of it, but yes, it is true. | ||
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Kotschmonaut
Germany117 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:27 SkullZ9 wrote: If Bisu played that game, everyone would be talking about revolution, and how thus far, the competition in sc2 has been a farce cool story, still i have no clue what the match was about, specify please. was it the strategy choice or the perfect execution of normal stuff? elaborate plz | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:23 xongnox wrote: T is the most used race by korean pro, maybe like an half of the top class players.... so if it's even distribution in code S, that could mean terran underpowered  That's actually not true..? Look at EWM tournaments, no Code A or Code S players there and Z/P dominates the lineup. | ||
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:20 Porcelina wrote: Stephano is the first. The second has not been announced. Didn't Stephano say in a recent interview he wasn't going to Korea til August? Which would make it the next GSL, not this one. | ||
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
IM 4 (5 if you count mc) Startale 4 (5 if you count nani) Prime 4 Mvp 4 Liquid 2 Fxo 2 Complexity 1 TSL 1 Zenex 1 Slayers 2 Fnatic 1 Teamless 2 : ( | ||
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ActionpointTV
60 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:18 SarcasmMonster wrote: Well, compared to this season where 15/32 were Terrans (that's 1 away from half!), it's nice to have a season where it's not so Terran dominated. Players will need to be well rounded in their matchups to advance. While it is true, that terrans occupy third of code S spots, they are also race that has lost most spots in this season. I wouldn't actually be surprised, judging from tvp and tvz trends after latest patches, that if current state of game will continue, terrans will be the least represented race in code S after season or 2. | ||
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lightertripod
United Kingdom44 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:13 Remi wrote: Why it's always Terran, that has to do something perfectly vs Protoss (have just the right amount of vikings, right amount of ghost, right amount of medivacs etc.) or die, never the reverse. I actaully feel this is a very common issue there is lot less wiggle room with T it has to be just right right all the time think its one of the reason MKP is struggling less than other Terrans atm this micro is just so good that he wins fights he should lose for not having the 100% right comp like splits vs blings and storms sure other T's do split but most are far from in the same league or as consistant | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:15 iAmBiGbiRd wrote: Did you read what i said? I didn't say he was dumb, either did PLEXA. We both said that the decision to attack in the position was dumb. It lost him the game, you could see it on his face in the booth when he threw his hands in the air and shook his head while it happened. Also yes he had 3 starports, but barely built any vikings. He kept massing MMM vs colo and storm. Would that be considered a smart decision? Notice i say 'Smart decision' not MKP IS SO DUMB OMG IM BASHING HIM. Now go away Would you and plexa suggest that MKP had went back and let Protoss remax to 200/200 and then rinse repeat again? That favors protoss because if Terran makes a mistake, Terran dies, if Protoss makes a mistake, they are still in the game even if 50 supply down. MKP attacked because he knows, just as well as every other Terran, if he doesn't it plays into protosses hands. It's exactly why TvP lategame needs to be addressed by blizzard asap. Sure, he can wait, but then that allows Protoss to get super army again, trade, rinse repeat all while taking +1 base and warping in and denying Terran's freshest mining base. And then when he does gain an army advantage, he doesn't have enough vikings so he cannot attack effectively -> has to either wait for more vikings allowing Protoss to remax or he has to do what he did and bite the TvP lategame bullet and try to attack and make something happen. It's always a win-win lategame situation for the Protoss in lategame. You can gain an advantage in army (as Terran) but never press it because you don't have the proper "hardcounter units" which allows Protoss the time to simply remax because if you have no vikings, and they have collosus, you die. If they have storms and you have no ghosts, you die. You always have to have the perfect amount, and then micro perfectly, and then survive the chargelot remax after a huge trade. To sum up, MKP attacked because he decided to take what he probably believes as the lesser of two evils - try and pray to kill protoss instead of waiting for another 200/200 "trade armies -> must win engagement by 80-20 margin to survive follow up chargelots". So no, you're actually both wrong. The decision to attack was not dumb. It was MKP basically saying, "well, i'm screwed either way, I prefer to take this route of dying lategame instead of another 200/200 death." And to ACE's credit, he played very good and did what I've posted about many times, including replays lately, of abusing templars in warp prisms lategame completely nullifying EMPs. It's basically a supercharged TvP lategame because you're 100% guaranteed to have psi storm instead of 1Aing your deathball and getting your clump of templars EMP'd. Protoss players are going to begin doing this literally every PvT very soon, they have been incredibly lazy up until this point, and lategame TvP issues are compounded even further when the Protoss player is able to multi-task and control speed prisms with templar inside of them allowing 100% protection from EMPs. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:28 Kotschmonaut wrote: cool story, still i have no clue what the match was about, specify please. was it the strategy choice or the perfect execution of normal stuff? elaborate plz Tons of speed prisms dropping both zealots in main and storm drops at 3rd and getting away because speed prisms are faster than corrupters. | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:23 Ghanburighan wrote: Hey, keep it civil. I read what you wrote, it was about me not using my brain (nice...). And I still contend that calling someone's actions dumb is not different from calling someone dumb because they are both rude and should not enter civilized discussion. We both agree that he did not make enough vikings, yet, Plexa wrote that he did not have vikings. There's a difference there too. Plexa later said the problem was that he didn't realize the colossus count was high and failed to pull back or to make a concave, and I agree, I think he was drawn between the two decisions, and hence he made the indecisive mistake and sealed his loss. Now, if you start using the more polite phrases all the time, you'd find that conversations will be much more pleasant for you in the future. I have to say this is the exact reason why TL can be so annoying at times. Where do you get this attitude of "politness = good" anyways? I'd rather have people who are honest enough to call something dumb, but not abrasive enough to call something retarded. Conversations aren't pleasant just because someone is being polite. They are pleasant if they are going somewhere and not wasting time on pedantic assholery. | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:29 Remi wrote: While it is true, that terrans occupy third of code S spots, they are also race that has lost most spots in this season. I wouldn't actually be surprised, judging from tvp and tvz trends after latest patches, that if current state of game will continue, terrans will be the least represented race in code S after season or 2. I'm expecting terrans to be less represented than zergs if nothing changes. They've been overnerfed, and zergs and protosses have figured out how to play their races in the lategame, while still getting help from Blizzard, all while maps are being made more zerg/protoss-friendly. Exciting times. | ||
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THELEHGOTERRAN
United States1837 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:28 Kotschmonaut wrote: cool story, still i have no clue what the match was about, specify please. was it the strategy choice or the perfect execution of normal stuff? elaborate plz Mostly just multiple fast warp prism harass vs. slow BL play from B4. Ace had him on a leash for part of the game. | ||
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DiViD
Sweden222 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:23 Kotschmonaut wrote: hey, i havent seen aces match vs B4, what was the special thing about it ? ace must have done smth extraordinary seemingly... There was sooo much going on mostly from Ace's side, sentry drops, ht drops storming mineral lines, feedbackdrops on infestors, sniping bases with the army and recalling them with his defensive mothership so they wouldn't get destroyed by BBBB's broodlord deathball. At the same time BBBB had a good defense and some nice runbys. It was a long tense game with an awesome display by both players! | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:29 ladyumbra wrote: Team breakdown for code s : IM 4 (5 if you count mc) Startale 4 (5 if you count nani) Prime 4 Mvp 4 Liquid 2 Fxo 2 Complexity 1 TSL 1 Zenex 1 Slayers 2 Fnatic 1 Teamless 2 : ( The most amazing thing is that IM has more championships than anyother team has players in Code S! If you count MC also, IM has more championships than there are teams in Code S! | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:29 ladyumbra wrote: Team breakdown for code s : IM 4 (5 if you count mc) Startale 4 (5 if you count nani) Prime 4 Mvp 4 Liquid 2 Fxo 2 Complexity 1 TSL 1 Zenex 1 Slayers 2 Fnatic 1 Teamless 2 : ( Never mind, found it. It's TheStC. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:31 redviper wrote: The most amazing thing is that IM has more championships than anyother team has players in Code S! If you count MC also, IM has more championships than there are teams in Code S! Or, IM has more championships than every other team combined. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:32 NuclearJudas wrote: Who besides Supernova is the teamless dude? thestc | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On May 25 2012 22:07 redviper wrote: So next season MVP can rape St_Ace, Q_Naniwa, St_Parting, St_Squirtle. Any other ST protoses around for MVP to crush? I wouldn't be so sure if I was u. | ||
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