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On May 25 2012 22:31 DiViD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:23 Kotschmonaut wrote:
hey, i havent seen aces match vs B4, what was the special thing about it ? ace must have done smth extraordinary seemingly... There was sooo much going on mostly from Ace's side, sentry drops, ht drops storming mineral lines, feedbackdrops on infestors, sniping bases with the army and recalling them with his defensive mothership so they wouldn't get destroyed by BBBB's broodlord deathball. At the same time BBBB had a good defense and some nice runbys. It was a long tense game with an awesome display by both players!
This pretty much...
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On May 25 2012 22:28 Kotschmonaut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:27 SkullZ9 wrote:On May 25 2012 22:25 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote:On May 25 2012 22:23 Kotschmonaut wrote:
hey, i havent seen aces match vs B4, what was the special thing about it ? ace must have done smth extraordinary seemingly... Let's just say that if a BW pro did what he did, this thread would be 100 pages longer full of "OMGZZZ AMAZIN" If Bisu played that game, everyone would be talking about revolution, and how thus far, the competition in sc2 has been a farce cool story, still i have no clue what the match was about, specify please. was it the strategy choice or the perfect execution of normal stuff? elaborate plz
Ace basically combined every Protoss harassment trick possible into one continuous lategame barrage of attacks.
Speed prisms everywhere dropping sentries to FF ramps while Zealots and DT's harassed, Storm drops all over, sniping infestors with feedback out of warp prisms, blink harass around different bases, warp in and observers cleaning up units and creep all around the map, constant expanding, and all of it being tethered back to a mothership for recall if he overcommitted with too much army in one spot.
B4 was basically pulled apart in every direction despite having a sick Hive tech army and Ace slowly wore him down before they had an epic final engagement and Ace's better economy let him overpower the remains of BBBB
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On May 25 2012 22:29 Remi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:18 SarcasmMonster wrote:On May 25 2012 22:15 FuzzyJAM wrote:
I do love it when people act as though the game must balanced if there's even racial distribution in Code S.
The idea that there must be identical numbers of equally skilled players in all three races is kind of funny. Well, compared to this season where 15/32 were Terrans (that's 1 away from half!), it's nice to have a season where it's not so Terran dominated. Players will need to be well rounded in their matchups to advance. While it is true, that terrans occupy third of code S spots, they are also race that has lost most spots in this season. I wouldn't actually be surprised, judging from tvp and tvz trends after latest patches, that if current state of game will continue, terrans will be the least represented race in code S after season or 2.
 have been the most represented race for 2 years in the GSL (often times by a huge margin). If has to suffer through a few seasons of least representation for Blizz to balance patch, then so be it. The future is looking a lot brighter than the past (in terms of Code S race representation).
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On May 25 2012 22:30 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:23 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 25 2012 22:15 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:On May 25 2012 22:12 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 25 2012 22:08 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:On May 25 2012 22:05 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 25 2012 22:03 Plexa wrote:On May 25 2012 22:02 FuzzyJAM wrote:On May 25 2012 22:00 Plexa wrote:
When will terrans start massing starports BEFORE the protoss has 6 colossus ._. MarineKing had 3 reactor Starports before Ace had a Robo Bay. Hmm I stand corrected. With that said, trying to attack into a protoss with 6 colossus without vikings is really dumb He did have vikings. Check the VOD. And stop calling players dumb. It might have been a mistake, but that doesn't make a player dumb. Also, wasn't that something that is called player bashing and is a bannable offense? Because 5-6 vikings beats 6 colo that are on high ground with stalker/archon/ht support?? It's smart?? Get off your high horse and use your brain Hey, I wasn't making any claims about whether that was a mistake or not. I thought he didn't have enough vikings as well, but that's because the colossus count wasn't clear. But there were several inaccuracies in Plexa's point that culminated in calling a player dumb. If that's how you want to talk about the game, have fun. Did you read what i said? I didn't say he was dumb, either did PLEXA. We both said that the decision to attack in the position was dumb. It lost him the game, you could see it on his face in the booth when he threw his hands in the air and shook his head while it happened. Also yes he had 3 starports, but barely built any vikings. He kept massing MMM vs colo and storm. Would that be considered a smart decision? Notice i say 'Smart decision' not MKP IS SO DUMB OMG IM BASHING HIM. Now go away Hey, keep it civil. I read what you wrote, it was about me not using my brain (nice...). And I still contend that calling someone's actions dumb is not different from calling someone dumb because they are both rude and should not enter civilized discussion. We both agree that he did not make enough vikings, yet, Plexa wrote that he did not have vikings. There's a difference there too. Plexa later said the problem was that he didn't realize the colossus count was high and failed to pull back or to make a concave, and I agree, I think he was drawn between the two decisions, and hence he made the indecisive mistake and sealed his loss. Now, if you start using the more polite phrases all the time, you'd find that conversations will be much more pleasant for you in the future. I have to say this is the exact reason why TL can be so annoying at times. Where do you get this attitude of "politness = good" anyways? I'd rather have people who are honest enough to call something dumb, but not abrasive enough to call something retarded. Conversations aren't pleasant just because someone is being polite. They are pleasant if they are going somewhere and not wasting time on pedantic assholery.
Good upbringing probably... Just seems more pleasant to me to discuss and analyze mistakes without impolite phrases. Doesn't to you?
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On May 25 2012 22:23 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:23 canikizu wrote:On May 25 2012 22:20 Porcelina wrote:On May 25 2012 22:18 Maxilicious wrote:
Just curious, who will be the two seeded players for code s this upcoming season? Stephano is the first. The second has not been announced. Thorzain should come to Korea and represent Terran more. Thorzain doesn't quite belong in code s yet, though he might get there eventually i suppose.
Who cares if he belongs in there or not, we need to keep the code S Terran count high to show Terran is superior race.
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On May 25 2012 22:33 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:07 redviper wrote:
So next season MVP can rape St_Ace, Q_Naniwa, St_Parting, St_Squirtle. Any other ST protoses around for MVP to crush? I wouldn't be so sure if I was u.
There is one God and his name is MVP.
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On May 25 2012 22:28 Kotschmonaut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:27 SkullZ9 wrote:On May 25 2012 22:25 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote:On May 25 2012 22:23 Kotschmonaut wrote:
hey, i havent seen aces match vs B4, what was the special thing about it ? ace must have done smth extraordinary seemingly... Let's just say that if a BW pro did what he did, this thread would be 100 pages longer full of "OMGZZZ AMAZIN" If Bisu played that game, everyone would be talking about revolution, and how thus far, the competition in sc2 has been a farce cool story, still i have no clue what the match was about, specify please. was it the strategy choice or the perfect execution of normal stuff? elaborate plz
Ace played a really cool macro-game PvZ, with a LOT of warp prism play (he built at least 10 warp prism in that game lol), with sentry/zealot drop, sentry/dt drop, ht drop to feedback the infestors or to storm the economy of B4, then mothership play with several good uses of recall, for example he attacked and destroyed the main base of B4, and when he was surrounded by broodlings he recalled all of his army and he did that more than once iirc. And then a good engagement against the broodlords without mothership to close the deal, that was a very impressive game
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On May 25 2012 22:18 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:12 summerloud wrote:
terrans dominate GSL ever since it started
we finally get an even race distribution
much terran QQ ensues...
srsly wtf? If you people could actually look past your noses and see past even race distribution you'd understand why. THE POINT OF THIS GAME IS NOT TO HAVE EVEN RACIAL DISTRIBUTION. IT'S TO HAVE THE BETTER PLAYERS WIN.
So in your professional, caps lock opinion, how do we justify what players are the best if we don't have all of them playing on an equal playing field (i.e. racial balance)?
Obviously, if more of the best players are playing Terran, that's a problem for the state of the game. It's a problem because there's a reason top players are flocking to that race. It has the highest skill ceiling. Why can't the other races have higher skill ceilings, allowing top players to consider playing as Zerg or Protoss as they enter in to SC2?
You've assumed that the players who play as Terran automatically deserve to win because they're supposedly better or because they've picked the historically best race (according to the statistics). But as the game has become more and more balanced, we should expect the racial distribution to even out more.
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On May 25 2012 22:35 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:33 samurai80 wrote:On May 25 2012 22:07 redviper wrote:
So next season MVP can rape St_Ace, Q_Naniwa, St_Parting, St_Squirtle. Any other ST protoses around for MVP to crush? I wouldn't be so sure if I was u. There is one God and his name is MVP.
Incoming Flash mob.
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On May 25 2012 22:35 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:33 samurai80 wrote:On May 25 2012 22:07 redviper wrote:
So next season MVP can rape St_Ace, Q_Naniwa, St_Parting, St_Squirtle. Any other ST protoses around for MVP to crush? I wouldn't be so sure if I was u. There is one God and his name is MVP Flash.
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On May 25 2012 22:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:35 redviper wrote:On May 25 2012 22:33 samurai80 wrote:On May 25 2012 22:07 redviper wrote:
So next season MVP can rape St_Ace, Q_Naniwa, St_Parting, St_Squirtle. Any other ST protoses around for MVP to crush? I wouldn't be so sure if I was u. There is one God and his name is MVP. Incoming Flash mob.
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On May 25 2012 22:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:35 redviper wrote:On May 25 2012 22:33 samurai80 wrote:On May 25 2012 22:07 redviper wrote:
So next season MVP can rape St_Ace, Q_Naniwa, St_Parting, St_Squirtle. Any other ST protoses around for MVP to crush? I wouldn't be so sure if I was u. There is one God and his name is MVP. Incoming Flash mob.
wow good timing
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On May 25 2012 22:36 SkullZ9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:28 Kotschmonaut wrote:On May 25 2012 22:27 SkullZ9 wrote:On May 25 2012 22:25 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote:On May 25 2012 22:23 Kotschmonaut wrote:
hey, i havent seen aces match vs B4, what was the special thing about it ? ace must have done smth extraordinary seemingly... Let's just say that if a BW pro did what he did, this thread would be 100 pages longer full of "OMGZZZ AMAZIN" If Bisu played that game, everyone would be talking about revolution, and how thus far, the competition in sc2 has been a farce cool story, still i have no clue what the match was about, specify please. was it the strategy choice or the perfect execution of normal stuff? elaborate plz Ace played a really cool macro-game PvZ, with a LOT of warp prism play (he built at least 10 warp prism in that game lol), with sentry/zealot drop, sentry/dt drop, ht drop to feedback the infestors or to storm the economy of B4, then mothership play with several good uses of recall, for example he attacked and destroyed the main base of B4, and when he was surrounded by broodlings he recalled all of his army and he did that more than once iirc. And then a good engagement against the broodlords without mothership to close the deal, that was a very impressive game
ah ok a pity i didnt see it 
thx for all the answers
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On May 25 2012 22:31 TeeTS wrote:Hey Terran's aren't alowed to complain about balance! MVP won code s guys! That Squirtle just started playing when he was 0-3 down has to be put aside here, because MVP WON CODE S, so everything in this matchup is fine, isn't it? 
Funny thing people don't realize is that GSL finals can't tell shit about balance because players are under so much pressure that often who will win mindgames/deal better with the pressure will end up winning. That's why Squirtle got trashed at first 3-0 despite being (imo) better than Mvp in the match-up.
I'm sad that BB didn't get through but if AcE can play good in code S too it would be cool, ST protosses don't fail to deliver.
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On May 25 2012 22:07 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:04 tuestresfat wrote:On May 25 2012 22:03 Nibbler89 wrote:On May 25 2012 22:02 Plexa wrote:On May 25 2012 22:01 avilo wrote:On May 25 2012 22:00 tuestresfat wrote:
time for everyone to qq about balance when mkp didn't get a single ghost vs storms all game They're inside of warp prisms  can't emp them. On May 25 2012 22:00 Plexa wrote:
When will terrans start massing starports BEFORE the protoss has 6 colossus ._. Just another reason to preemptively make vikings and then when after the battle terran has a bunch of vikings and protoss warps in a bunch of HT's and makes them into archons we can go "well terran had too much useless supply in vikings and not enough ghosts". you're right, there is no counter. absolutely nothing you can do, just give up. Why do you think every Terran is trying to win before late game? They already have given up, and Blizzard has said they should.
OMG these terrans balance whines, there is no counter, absolutely nothing you can do, just give up :O lol
But well, you're just pathetic. Not even able to admit that Ace just played better. I mean some say about HTs They're inside of warp prisms can't emp them.
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Its a shame B4 doesnt have any foreign accomplishments or I would say invite him to code S after that performance today. I was surprised that this group turned out to be the best and 2 of the players who were I completely didnt expect to be.
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On May 25 2012 22:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:15 SkullZ9 wrote:On May 25 2012 22:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2012 22:10 nkr wrote:
Woah, only 11 terrans in code S? Better fix that bunker blizzard. Made me lol. Tomorrow, instant patch: Building bunkers now costs the opponent 500 minerals, and all of opponent's harvesters stop mining. Ahah and scan has the effect of psi storm too ^^ O.O oh my god...
it's actually 12 Terrans 10 Protoss 8 zergs
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On May 25 2012 22:34 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:30 redviper wrote:On May 25 2012 22:23 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 25 2012 22:15 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:On May 25 2012 22:12 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 25 2012 22:08 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:On May 25 2012 22:05 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 25 2012 22:03 Plexa wrote:On May 25 2012 22:02 FuzzyJAM wrote:On May 25 2012 22:00 Plexa wrote:
When will terrans start massing starports BEFORE the protoss has 6 colossus ._. MarineKing had 3 reactor Starports before Ace had a Robo Bay. Hmm I stand corrected. With that said, trying to attack into a protoss with 6 colossus without vikings is really dumb He did have vikings. Check the VOD. And stop calling players dumb. It might have been a mistake, but that doesn't make a player dumb. Also, wasn't that something that is called player bashing and is a bannable offense? Because 5-6 vikings beats 6 colo that are on high ground with stalker/archon/ht support?? It's smart?? Get off your high horse and use your brain Hey, I wasn't making any claims about whether that was a mistake or not. I thought he didn't have enough vikings as well, but that's because the colossus count wasn't clear. But there were several inaccuracies in Plexa's point that culminated in calling a player dumb. If that's how you want to talk about the game, have fun. Did you read what i said? I didn't say he was dumb, either did PLEXA. We both said that the decision to attack in the position was dumb. It lost him the game, you could see it on his face in the booth when he threw his hands in the air and shook his head while it happened. Also yes he had 3 starports, but barely built any vikings. He kept massing MMM vs colo and storm. Would that be considered a smart decision? Notice i say 'Smart decision' not MKP IS SO DUMB OMG IM BASHING HIM. Now go away Hey, keep it civil. I read what you wrote, it was about me not using my brain (nice...). And I still contend that calling someone's actions dumb is not different from calling someone dumb because they are both rude and should not enter civilized discussion. We both agree that he did not make enough vikings, yet, Plexa wrote that he did not have vikings. There's a difference there too. Plexa later said the problem was that he didn't realize the colossus count was high and failed to pull back or to make a concave, and I agree, I think he was drawn between the two decisions, and hence he made the indecisive mistake and sealed his loss. Now, if you start using the more polite phrases all the time, you'd find that conversations will be much more pleasant for you in the future. I have to say this is the exact reason why TL can be so annoying at times. Where do you get this attitude of "politness = good" anyways? I'd rather have people who are honest enough to call something dumb, but not abrasive enough to call something retarded. Conversations aren't pleasant just because someone is being polite. They are pleasant if they are going somewhere and not wasting time on pedantic assholery. Good upbringing probably... Just seems more pleasant to me to discuss and analyze mistakes without impolite phrases. Doesn't to you?
No. False politeness, like false humility is just the bourgeois way of pretending they are better than the common public. Polite language is just how you try to restrict an argument away from areas you feel are dangerous to go into. MKP's decision was dumb. Your argument is dumb. Your insistence on not using the word dumb, is dumb.
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Wow. We're actually closed to balanced # of players of each race? Blasphemous! Interested in seeing the seeds.
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On May 25 2012 22:38 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 25 2012 22:30 redviper wrote:On May 25 2012 22:23 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 25 2012 22:15 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:On May 25 2012 22:12 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 25 2012 22:08 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:On May 25 2012 22:05 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 25 2012 22:03 Plexa wrote:On May 25 2012 22:02 FuzzyJAM wrote:
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MarineKing had 3 reactor Starports before Ace had a Robo Bay. Hmm I stand corrected. With that said, trying to attack into a protoss with 6 colossus without vikings is really dumb He did have vikings. Check the VOD. And stop calling players dumb. It might have been a mistake, but that doesn't make a player dumb. Also, wasn't that something that is called player bashing and is a bannable offense? Because 5-6 vikings beats 6 colo that are on high ground with stalker/archon/ht support?? It's smart?? Get off your high horse and use your brain Hey, I wasn't making any claims about whether that was a mistake or not. I thought he didn't have enough vikings as well, but that's because the colossus count wasn't clear. But there were several inaccuracies in Plexa's point that culminated in calling a player dumb. If that's how you want to talk about the game, have fun. Did you read what i said? I didn't say he was dumb, either did PLEXA. We both said that the decision to attack in the position was dumb. It lost him the game, you could see it on his face in the booth when he threw his hands in the air and shook his head while it happened. Also yes he had 3 starports, but barely built any vikings. He kept massing MMM vs colo and storm. Would that be considered a smart decision? Notice i say 'Smart decision' not MKP IS SO DUMB OMG IM BASHING HIM. Now go away Hey, keep it civil. I read what you wrote, it was about me not using my brain (nice...). And I still contend that calling someone's actions dumb is not different from calling someone dumb because they are both rude and should not enter civilized discussion. We both agree that he did not make enough vikings, yet, Plexa wrote that he did not have vikings. There's a difference there too. Plexa later said the problem was that he didn't realize the colossus count was high and failed to pull back or to make a concave, and I agree, I think he was drawn between the two decisions, and hence he made the indecisive mistake and sealed his loss. Now, if you start using the more polite phrases all the time, you'd find that conversations will be much more pleasant for you in the future. I have to say this is the exact reason why TL can be so annoying at times. Where do you get this attitude of "politness = good" anyways? I'd rather have people who are honest enough to call something dumb, but not abrasive enough to call something retarded. Conversations aren't pleasant just because someone is being polite. They are pleasant if they are going somewhere and not wasting time on pedantic assholery. Good upbringing probably... Just seems more pleasant to me to discuss and analyze mistakes without impolite phrases. Doesn't to you? No. False politeness, like false humility is just the bourgeois way of pretending they are better than the common public. Polite language is just how you try to restrict an argument away from areas you feel are dangerous to go into. MKP's decision was dumb. Your argument is dumb. Your insistence on not using the word dumb, is dumb.
Right, that's why I ought not argue on the internet.. Lovely...
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