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On May 26 2012 10:42 Bagration wrote:
Ah, the old "best Terran in the world" debate. It's really hard for this debate to ever reach a satisfactory end between sides, simply because everyone usually has their personal bias as fans. In the end, I think that MVP simply has to be called the best. 4 GSL titles man, hard to make a case against that.
The difference is, I can actually admit that MVP is the best, saying as aLive fanboy. But I also started to like MVP somewhat, after he proved he can win coming from a bit of a handycap.
But MKP fanboys are too die hard to put anyone above him, which is quite sad.
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Just caught up with the vods...wtf Ace how did that happen? He was playing out of this world.
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On May 26 2012 10:42 Bagration wrote:
Ah, the old "best Terran in the world" debate. It's really hard for this debate to ever reach a satisfactory end between sides, simply because everyone usually has their personal bias as fans. In the end, I think that MVP simply has to be called the best. 4 GSL titles man, hard to make a case against that.
Yes MVP is, to date, the best Terran to have played. Overall he's the best. That's not saying that at every moment in his gaming career he was the best Terran, it just means he has had the best results and the biggest impact.
MKP has never been the best, but he's always been extremely good. That's why ZeroSC2's debate isn't even worth entering. He's just focusing on ppl calling him the best and then putting him down with his own biased MVP fanboy opinions.
What most people are trying to say though, is that overall, MKP looks like the guy who will rise right now.
He's solid and he has trained a lot specifically for this. He's been playing at the highest level, and it seems MKP will really take it this time.
Would any of these MKP fanboys be surprised if MVP won it? No... This is a game that MVP has got down. But MKP seems stronger at this time (these few weeks) and so seeing him win is a plausible sight to foresee.
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On May 26 2012 13:26 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 10:42 Bagration wrote:
Ah, the old "best Terran in the world" debate. It's really hard for this debate to ever reach a satisfactory end between sides, simply because everyone usually has their personal bias as fans. In the end, I think that MVP simply has to be called the best. 4 GSL titles man, hard to make a case against that. Yes MVP is, to date, the best Terran to have played. Overall he's the best. That's not saying that at every moment in his gaming career he was the best Terran, it just means he has had the best results and the biggest impact. MKP has never been the best, but he's always been extremely good. That's why ZeroSC2's debate isn't even worth entering. He's just focusing on ppl calling him the best and then putting him down with his own biased MVP fanboy opinions. What most people are trying to say though, is that overall, MKP looks like the guy who will rise right now. He's solid and he has trained a lot specifically for this. He's been playing at the highest level, and it seems MKP will really take it this time.Would any of these MKP fanboys be surprised if MVP won it? No... This is a game that MVP has got down. But MKP seems stronger at this time (these few weeks) and so seeing him win is a plausible sight to foresee.
Every season ... and then he fumbles.
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On May 26 2012 13:26 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 10:42 Bagration wrote:
Ah, the old "best Terran in the world" debate. It's really hard for this debate to ever reach a satisfactory end between sides, simply because everyone usually has their personal bias as fans. In the end, I think that MVP simply has to be called the best. 4 GSL titles man, hard to make a case against that. Yes MVP is, to date, the best Terran to have played. Overall he's the best. That's not saying that at every moment in his gaming career he was the best Terran, it just means he has had the best results and the biggest impact. MKP has never been the best, but he's always been extremely good. That's why ZeroSC2's debate isn't even worth entering. He's just focusing on ppl calling him the best and then putting him down with his own biased MVP fanboy opinions. What most people are trying to say though, is that overall, MKP looks like the guy who will rise right now. He's solid and he has trained a lot specifically for this. He's been playing at the highest level, and it seems MKP will really take it this time. Would any of these MKP fanboys be surprised if MVP won it? No... This is a game that MVP has got down. But MKP seems stronger at this time (these few weeks) and so seeing him win is a plausible sight to foresee.
In the end, I think it does come down to legacy. Years from now, we will look back and see MVP as the 4 time (and counting) GSL winner, and retrospectively, most will agree that MVP was the best of 2011 (As an MMA fan, I would say that MMA is the 2nd most accomplished player of 2011, since he did win 2 GSLs and was the MVP for 2 GSTL golds, but I digress).
MKP is scary talented, and there isn't a matchup right now that he looks weak in. He had basically a flawless MLG winter season, and has been playing very well. But it is so important for him to convert this huge skill into GSL results. His last major GSL accomplishment was getting second in Code A more than half a year ago, and he has yet to win a GSL title (It almost seems like Bisu and his OSL woes).
Right now, MKP is a player who I feel needs to win that GSL title the most. He needs it to cement his legacy, to leave his mark in eSport history. I think Bomber's story is a good comparison: A year ago, Bomber was looking like the scariest player on the planet, and people were saying it wasn't a matter of if Bomber wins Code S, but when he did. But Bomber choked time and time again when it mattered, and now I feel his time has passed, as guys like Polt, MMA and even Jjakji were able to surpass him and seize the title and leave their mark.
MKP has been playing well recently, and I hope he does seize this opportunity while he is playing so well and give a strong showing in the GSL. I think he needs it really badly, so that he can finally shake off this "Kong" legacy and replace it with a legacy as a Code S champion.
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Mvp is my favourite player by far and he has 4 GSL championships and a bunch of other stuff, but right now when I watch all the terrans play, MarineKing looks the most skilled/talented in my opinion. His play this year has been just superb in all matchups.
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Sweet! MKP to code S again :D
Best of luck to AcE.. he will need it.
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On May 26 2012 14:10 AxionSteel wrote:
Mvp is my favourite player by far and he has 4 GSL championships and a bunch of other stuff, but right now when I watch all the terrans play, MarineKing looks the most skilled/talented in my opinion. His play this year has been just superb in all matchups.
The best often don't look like they are the most skilled and talented. They make it look easy and boring. MKP is good and he is awesome to watch but he is not MVP and he is not even close to that level. The proof of the greatness is in the pudding of GSL victories. Whether its skill or mental acumen or even luck, MVP seems to always perform at the largest stage. MKP only seems to do well in foreign tourneys.
No diss on MKP, he is brilliant. But no one can honestly say he is better than MVP even with MVP's wrist issues these days. And if you include 2011 there is no comparison whatsoever.
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If you haven't already, go watch the Ace vs. BBoongBBoong game. One of the best PvZ games in the last few weeks.
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On May 26 2012 17:36 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:10 AxionSteel wrote:
Mvp is my favourite player by far and he has 4 GSL championships and a bunch of other stuff, but right now when I watch all the terrans play, MarineKing looks the most skilled/talented in my opinion. His play this year has been just superb in all matchups. The best often don't look like they are the most skilled and talented. They make it look easy and boring. MKP is good and he is awesome to watch but he is not MVP and he is not even close to that level. The proof of the greatness is in the pudding of GSL victories. Whether its skill or mental acumen or even luck, MVP seems to always perform at the largest stage. MKP only seems to do well in foreign tourneys. No diss on MKP, he is brilliant. But no one can honestly say he is better than MVP even with MVP's wrist issues these days. And if you include 2011 there is no comparison whatsoever.
He's been in the GSL finals 3 times so he doesn't do that terrible on stage.
I think IMMvP will be the best Terran for a long time, but out of MKP/MMA/MVP MarineKing has definitely been playing the best in TvP/TvT.
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On May 25 2012 21:40 Tantaburs wrote:
Poor ace
50 min PvZ then has to PvT MKP
Poor B4, Ace was on fire and not even MKP could put him out!
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On May 25 2012 22:57 FatalT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:50 SarcasmMonster wrote:On May 25 2012 22:44 Remi wrote:On May 25 2012 22:34 SarcasmMonster wrote:On May 25 2012 22:29 Remi wrote:On May 25 2012 22:18 SarcasmMonster wrote:On May 25 2012 22:15 FuzzyJAM wrote:
I do love it when people act as though the game must balanced if there's even racial distribution in Code S.
The idea that there must be identical numbers of equally skilled players in all three races is kind of funny. Well, compared to this season where 15/32 were Terrans (that's 1 away from half!), it's nice to have a season where it's not so Terran dominated. Players will need to be well rounded in their matchups to advance. While it is true, that terrans occupy third of code S spots, they are also race that has lost most spots in this season. I wouldn't actually be surprised, judging from tvp and tvz trends after latest patches, that if current state of game will continue, terrans will be the least represented race in code S after season or 2.  have been the most represented race for 2 years in the GSL (often times by a huge margin). If has to suffer through a few seasons of least representation for Blizz to balance patch, then so be it. The future is looking a lot brighter than the past (in terms of Code S race representation). If you believe that no race should be op (as you imply terrans was in 1st part of your post) then you should be against protoss or zerg being op even for "few" seasons if possible. If you're OK with someone being op (as your 2 part suggest) then why would you think terran domination was a bad thing to begin with? What you can't do is have your cake and eat it too. Here's what I'm getting at. 1. Balanced racial representation is good for the game. 2. GSL has better racial representation now then ever in its history. Then you posed a hypothesis that Terrans will be least represented race in 1 or 2 seasons. My 2nd argument is. 1. A few seasons of least representation is not that bad. Some race has to be least represented (barring ties), and if it's only a few months, then nothing to whine about. 2. 2 years of most representation (by large margins) is bad. 3. Therefore we are better off now than before. Your in favour of laws that requires boards to have a distrubution of xx% of either sex? Even if that means leaving out someone really qualified?
There are so many of these laws everywhere in the world actually. Unless you prove women are usually/statistically less qualified than men for this, there are no reason for not hoping an equality in sex distribution imo. I don't think it is a good example to compare to GSL race distribution though.
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