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On May 19 2012 20:47 Iodem wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:47 opterown wrote:Poll: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall??★★★★★ (431) 84% ★★★★ (47) 9% ★ (16) 3% ★★★ (13) 3% ★★ (6) 1% 513 total votes Your vote: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall?? (Vote): ★★★★★
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4 stars, only because games 1-3 were pretty lackluster.
It was the perfect build up to an incredibly tense ending. The last time i was probably so tensed was nestea vs SC in the GSL semifinals.
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On May 19 2012 20:50 Lightspeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:45 Kluey wrote:On May 19 2012 20:43 Lightspeaker wrote:On May 19 2012 20:41 drbrown wrote:
How the fuck is he a bonjwa in the GSL? It has been 10 months since his last GSL title. There's a certain amount of irony in the fact that MVP is winning GSL more frequently than the entire Protoss race is and yet people still QQ about how OP Protoss are. 14 months and counting...you have absolutely no grounds for complaint. GSL finals aren't a representation of balance. Protoss is perfectly balanced at this moment. They have weaknesses and strengths and neither is completely broken. On-topic: I predict a ST vs IM GSTL finals with MVP vs Squirtle game 7. Calling it right now. You're missing my point. Terrans are currently CONSTANTLY whining about OP Protoss. Terran has been saying that since the end of LAST YEAR after Ghosts got nerfed. If Protoss was so OP we'd have seen it by now.
It s just that top Terran player sare much much much much more skilled than top Protoss players.
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Silly Squirtle.
Only GGplay can pull a GGplay.
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On May 19 2012 20:56 Lightspeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 19 2012 20:47 Lightspeaker wrote:On May 19 2012 20:42 DYEAlabaster wrote:
A record speaks about the past and not the present. Look at the statistical racial balance in THIS GSL, rather than the curve over the past 2 years. Balance is present, records are past.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or just.... silly. Racial balance this GSL: 15 Terran, 10 Protoss, 7 Zerg. Game, set, match. In the ro8 there were no zergs and 5 protosses which should actually just indicate how well protoss is doing that their attrition rate is so low And a Terran won the whole thing. You can't have it both ways. If winning is purely player skill and racial balance shows who is stronger than Terran had more players than Protoss or Zerg in Code S. If winning is based on racial balance then Terran won the whole thing. Arbitrarily picking a point and saying "oh look, more Protoss at this point" does not prove you right.
...Right, just like arbitrarily picking the Ro32. I'm trying to point out why his is bad: the sample size for GSL is way too small. In any case, Terran doesn't need any buff, we're the strongest race anyways.
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On May 19 2012 20:52 iSunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:46 Sub40APM wrote:On May 19 2012 20:43 TAMinator wrote:
It's too bad the past 30 threads are nerds argueing over nonsensical shit, when they could spend their time enjoying what was one of the better finals in GSL. Ya exactly. Haters gonna hate. MVP, nerves of steel. Also, its hilarious that whereas someone like MC all-ins his entire SC2 career and has mad fans for it but MVP does it in a deciding game 7, after dropping 3 games in a row, including that heart breaker on Metropolis and he is 'cheeser' ? come on guys, get some perspective. Some people just like games like Game 5 a lot more than Game 7. Can you blame them? Do you like a 15 minute game more than an epic 120 minute LOTR battle of good and evil? You decide. And stop with the haters calling, it´s getting old.
Game 5 was like Sauron camping Mordor and building a shit ton of towers without anything actually happening and then being defeated by a deus ex machina.
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On May 19 2012 20:56 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:52 Saracen wrote:On May 19 2012 20:45 how2TL wrote:On May 19 2012 20:35 Saracen wrote:On May 19 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:On May 19 2012 20:30 Saracen wrote:On May 19 2012 20:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 19 2012 20:26 Saracen wrote:On May 19 2012 20:22 Ace1123 wrote:On May 19 2012 20:21 windsupernova wrote:
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This That! ^ It was really amazing all the micro involved and such decision making Really? MVP cheesed and won a game with subpar micro. Squirtle did no better. You honestly can't say it was one of the better games you've seen. sure if it was a ladder game it would just be an okay game, but as a game 7 of an insane GSL finals comeback after 6 macro games? HOLY DOUBLE BACK FLIP BATMAN So you're saying because MVP decided to cheese in the last game of a Bo7, that made the game good? It was good because you didn't know who was going to win for a good portion of the game, it only became obvious in the last few seconds. I was entertained. So you're saying it was good because the situation made it entertaining for a casual observer, not because it was an actual legitimate display of skill... Honestly, I'm not hating on MVP for what he did. He won, and props to him for that. I'm just saying it wasn't a legitimately good game with respect to a showcase of skill and decision making. Choosing a high-risk strategy and committing to it under the most high-pressure situation possible in the GSL is an example of both. It wasn't won based on a long-term game plan with tip-top mechanics. Props to you for noticing that. I'm just saying that your opinion of this game not being "legitimately good" makes me think you're one of those people that complains about anything to sound insightful. Everyone will remember this game. It is going to be enshrined as the finale to an amazing GSL finals. I'm just saying I tuned in for the last game hoping for a game that showcased good mechanics and decision making and I was legitimately dissapointed. I'm just saying that the execution wasn't good on either end. Thus, despite the fact that it was the last game in the Bo7 of the GSL finals, the game wasn't, in my opinion, good. I don't care whether it was "memorable" or "surprising" or "omg MVP's got mad balls look at how much he's blowing my mind" or not. You may or may not share the same opinion, but it's entirely up to you. I think you tuned in to the wrong game then, very rarely will you see a starcraft 2 game have 40 minutes of constant action and brilliant decision making, the GSL finals of all things where 4-0 is the name of the game.
You may be right :\ I've definitely seen some legitimately good SC2 series though...
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I'm almost positive the IM coach is the one who told mvp to proxy 2 rax that last game. Camera caught him entering his booth before game 7, whisper something into mvp's ear, then mvp smiling. Good shit Coach Kang.
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On May 19 2012 20:53 IshinShishi wrote:
Except that the terran winning is MVP, he is not just the best terran, he is the best player, but you can keep on blaming whatever you want to blame.
*facepalm*
I'm not BLAMING anything. I'm telling the Terrans whining about Protoss being OP that they can shut up now.
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On May 19 2012 20:52 Saracen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:45 how2TL wrote:On May 19 2012 20:35 Saracen wrote:On May 19 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:On May 19 2012 20:30 Saracen wrote:On May 19 2012 20:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 19 2012 20:26 Saracen wrote:On May 19 2012 20:22 Ace1123 wrote:On May 19 2012 20:21 windsupernova wrote:On May 19 2012 20:20 Freak705 wrote:
Anyone that thinks that Game 7 was not exciting is nuts. That was a micro clinic! This That! ^ It was really amazing all the micro involved and such decision making Really? MVP cheesed and won a game with subpar micro. Squirtle did no better. You honestly can't say it was one of the better games you've seen. sure if it was a ladder game it would just be an okay game, but as a game 7 of an insane GSL finals comeback after 6 macro games? HOLY DOUBLE BACK FLIP BATMAN So you're saying because MVP decided to cheese in the last game of a Bo7, that made the game good? It was good because you didn't know who was going to win for a good portion of the game, it only became obvious in the last few seconds. I was entertained. So you're saying it was good because the situation made it entertaining for a casual observer, not because it was an actual legitimate display of skill... Honestly, I'm not hating on MVP for what he did. He won, and props to him for that. I'm just saying it wasn't a legitimately good game with respect to a showcase of skill and decision making. Choosing a high-risk strategy and committing to it under the most high-pressure situation possible in the GSL is an example of both. It wasn't won based on a long-term game plan with tip-top mechanics. Props to you for noticing that. I'm just saying that your opinion of this game not being "legitimately good" makes me think you're one of those people that complains about anything to sound insightful. Everyone will remember this game. It is going to be enshrined as the finale to an amazing GSL finals. I'm just saying I tuned in for the last game hoping for a game that showcased good mechanics and decision making and I was dissapointed. I'm just saying that the execution wasn't that good on either end. Thus, despite the fact that it was the last game in the Bo7 of the GSL finals, the game wasn't, in my opinion, good. I don't care whether it was "memorable" or "surprising" or "omg MVP's got mad balls look at how much he's blowing my mind" or not. I'm just commenting on how the game itself played out. You may or may not share the same opinion, but it's entirely up to you.
If you look at the game solely on the mechanics and decision making that was displayed you might not be impressed especially if you remove what happened earlier. The reason why this game is great and memorable is because of the story and the events that lead up to that game. Without context this is just another game but due to all that happened this was a great game.
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On May 19 2012 20:56 Lightspeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 19 2012 20:47 Lightspeaker wrote:On May 19 2012 20:42 DYEAlabaster wrote:
A record speaks about the past and not the present. Look at the statistical racial balance in THIS GSL, rather than the curve over the past 2 years. Balance is present, records are past.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or just.... silly. Racial balance this GSL: 15 Terran, 10 Protoss, 7 Zerg. Game, set, match. In the ro8 there were no zergs and 5 protosses which should actually just indicate how well protoss is doing that their attrition rate is so low And a Terran won the whole thing. You can't have it both ways. If winning is purely player skill and racial balance shows who is stronger than Terran had more players than Protoss or Zerg in Code S. If winning is based on racial balance then Terran won the whole thing. Arbitrarily picking a point and saying "oh look, more Protoss at this point" does not prove you right.
Except the real world doesn't work by such simplistic rules, so it's more about analyzing who won why on a case-by-case basis than coming up with some universal guideline that automatically applies to every single case.
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I just want to add something that people seem to have missed, Squirtle played against MVP in his first league match in the GSTL and won. This was over a year ago and I don't think anyone remembers, I just thought it should be noted. Squirtle was the underdog then and he was still to this day. What a great story between these two.
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On May 19 2012 20:49 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:46 Lazzi wrote:
I was by from far for Squirtle, but you can't say MVP he's a bad player, nor a bonjwa. I don't blame him for using all-in: he's progamer, he does what it is needed to win, al-in are strat like other and he's a great player he has proved it so many times last year and in this season of the GSL how good it is: the three first game against Squirtle were well played and he did an amazing job against Parting .
I blame just a bit Blizzard for the MULE, couldn't they add something like the MULE can't mine if there are less than 5 scv mining or something like that? It wouldn't change the game at all except those all-in which are getting really annoying... But Terrans find current lategame against storm/colossi highly annoying as well... Put the situation into perspective please. The 3 games where nothing special went early on, MVP got demolished, and thus decided to all-in.
I have no issue with the MULE helping for the two racks in its "early stage" , it was well played by MVP to play that, but there is a very precise situation where the MULE is , in my opinion, broken and it is when you can have income without SCV.
My last sentence was badly formulated, T should be still able to do two racks, but with the change I propose itwouldn't last as long or with so much SCVs.
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This bitter arguing is gonna ruin the series for you guys. You would think this would kill eSports, but which sport hasn't had its fair share of controversial endings? Imo, keep the clashing going on--let this day be engraved in your memories.
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ROFL! MVP keeping GSL trophies away from the Protoss 
Here is to another 14 months of Protossless GSLs 
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MVP was so resilient in the last game after his 1st pressure failed. Almost any other terran would have gave up or not have the mental fortitude to concentrate and flank squirtle's army. MVP played it out perfectly from that point on and squirtle over-extended. What a great ending!
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On May 19 2012 20:52 Saracen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:45 how2TL wrote:On May 19 2012 20:35 Saracen wrote:On May 19 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:On May 19 2012 20:30 Saracen wrote:On May 19 2012 20:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 19 2012 20:26 Saracen wrote:On May 19 2012 20:22 Ace1123 wrote:On May 19 2012 20:21 windsupernova wrote:On May 19 2012 20:20 Freak705 wrote:
Anyone that thinks that Game 7 was not exciting is nuts. That was a micro clinic! This That! ^ It was really amazing all the micro involved and such decision making Really? MVP cheesed and won a game with subpar micro. Squirtle did no better. You honestly can't say it was one of the better games you've seen. sure if it was a ladder game it would just be an okay game, but as a game 7 of an insane GSL finals comeback after 6 macro games? HOLY DOUBLE BACK FLIP BATMAN So you're saying because MVP decided to cheese in the last game of a Bo7, that made the game good? It was good because you didn't know who was going to win for a good portion of the game, it only became obvious in the last few seconds. I was entertained. So you're saying it was good because the situation made it entertaining for a casual observer, not because it was an actual legitimate display of skill... Honestly, I'm not hating on MVP for what he did. He won, and props to him for that. I'm just saying it wasn't a legitimately good game with respect to a showcase of skill and decision making. Choosing a high-risk strategy and committing to it under the most high-pressure situation possible in the GSL is an example of both. It wasn't won based on a long-term game plan with tip-top mechanics. Props to you for noticing that. I'm just saying that your opinion of this game not being "legitimately good" makes me think you're one of those people that complains about anything to sound insightful. Everyone will remember this game. It is going to be enshrined as the finale to an amazing GSL finals. I'm just saying I tuned in for the last game hoping for a game that showcased good mechanics and decision making and I was dissapointed. I'm just saying that the execution wasn't that good on either end. Thus, despite the fact that it was the last game in the Bo7 of the GSL finals, the game wasn't, in my opinion, good. I don't care whether it was "memorable" or "surprising" or "omg MVP's got mad balls look at how much he's blowing my mind" or not. I'm just commenting on how the game itself played out. You may or may not share the same opinion, but it's entirely up to you.
Did you see that meme on reddit where there is a GM icon with the description "fair"? That meme seems to capture you right now. You can't take Sc2 pro games outside of their mental capacity, and arguing with disregard to that seems a little narrow-minded- like you're only addressing half the game. Sort of like saying "well the offensive moves were good but the defence was mediocre so the game itself was bad."
Impossible to please :/
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On May 19 2012 20:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:56 Lightspeaker wrote:On May 19 2012 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 19 2012 20:47 Lightspeaker wrote:On May 19 2012 20:42 DYEAlabaster wrote:
A record speaks about the past and not the present. Look at the statistical racial balance in THIS GSL, rather than the curve over the past 2 years. Balance is present, records are past.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or just.... silly. Racial balance this GSL: 15 Terran, 10 Protoss, 7 Zerg. Game, set, match. In the ro8 there were no zergs and 5 protosses which should actually just indicate how well protoss is doing that their attrition rate is so low And a Terran won the whole thing. You can't have it both ways. If winning is purely player skill and racial balance shows who is stronger than Terran had more players than Protoss or Zerg in Code S. If winning is based on racial balance then Terran won the whole thing. Arbitrarily picking a point and saying "oh look, more Protoss at this point" does not prove you right. ...Right, just like arbitrarily picking the Ro32. I'm trying to point out why his is bad: the sample size for GSL is way too small. In any case, Terran doesn't need any buff, we're the strongest race anyways.
Then tell the rest of the Terran race to stop complaining about OP 'toss. I'm absolutely sick of the abuse people gleefully hurl at Protoss players because everyone likes to think "oh poor little me, can't do ANYTHING against Protoss".
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MVP!!! Sorry I ever doubted you
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On May 19 2012 20:59 ktgster wrote:
I just want to add something that people seem to have missed, Squirtle played against MVP in his first league match in the GSTL and won. This was over a year ago and I don't think anyone remembers, I just thought it should be noted. Squirtle was the underdog then and he was still to this day. What a great story between these two.
I hope the story line grows like how MKP vs PartinG has. That's an epic rivalry right there.
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Squirtle's the real winner of the finals in my eyes, seemed like in the first few games he was a bit off, maybe nervous but then found his groove, such a shame about the last game, would have been amazing to have a 4-3 comeback. I don't normally say things like this but I think the better player lost today.
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