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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 19 2012 11:52 GMT
#6981
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hey look, four championships
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
May 19 2012 11:52 GMT
#6982
On May 19 2012 20:47 tns wrote:
Ahhh I missed the ceremony >< was there a trophee kiss?
Anyone got pictures :D ?

Bad quality though:
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MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
May 19 2012 11:52 GMT
#6983
I'm not familiar with the BW scene, but bonjwas need to just be DOMINATING in every sense of the word. MVP didn't do that this season. Its a great run he had with his wrists and everything and I'm glad he got his 4th title, but he in no way dominated to get it. He barely made it out of both the Ro16 and Ro32 groups 2-1 and basically cheesed his way through Naniwa and Parting, then barely beats Squirtle. I wouldn't call that bonjwa worthy, its also been too long since his last title.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
May 19 2012 11:52 GMT
#6984
On May 19 2012 20:51 Lightspeaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:46 Megabuster123 wrote:
Even blizzard said that late game TvP is bullshit...>_>

There's no way to beat lategame protoss armies if the protoss plays properly.


Are you having a laugh?

You literally JUST WON a GSL Code S Championship and are saying the losing race is OP?

I play zerg...>_>

I'm rooting for DRG to win this weekends MLG.

From an observers perspective, TvP is just a stupid match up to watch...
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
May 19 2012 11:52 GMT
#6985
On May 19 2012 20:51 Lightspeaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:46 Megabuster123 wrote:
Even blizzard said that late game TvP is bullshit...>_>

There's no way to beat lategame protoss armies if the protoss plays properly.


Are you having a laugh?

You literally JUST WON a GSL Code S Championship and are saying the losing race is OP?


To be fair, Squirtle messed up the last game, he had the game in his hands and then threw it away.

You can't overlook a races strength just because a player makes a mistake with it.
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 11:56:27
May 19 2012 11:52 GMT
#6986
On May 19 2012 20:45 how2TL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:35 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:30 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:26 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:22 Ace1123 wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:21 windsupernova wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:20 Freak705 wrote:
Anyone that thinks that Game 7 was not exciting is nuts. That was a micro clinic!


This



That! ^ It was really amazing all the micro involved and such decision making

Really? MVP cheesed and won a game with subpar micro. Squirtle did no better. You honestly can't say it was one of the better games you've seen.

sure if it was a ladder game it would just be an okay game, but as a game 7 of an insane GSL finals comeback after 6 macro games? HOLY DOUBLE BACK FLIP BATMAN

So you're saying because MVP decided to cheese in the last game of a Bo7, that made the game good?


It was good because you didn't know who was going to win for a good portion of the game, it only became obvious in the last few seconds.

I was entertained.

So you're saying it was good because the situation made it entertaining for a casual observer, not because it was an actual legitimate display of skill... Honestly, I'm not hating on MVP for what he did. He won, and props to him for that. I'm just saying it wasn't a legitimately good game with respect to a showcase of skill and decision making.


Choosing a high-risk strategy and committing to it under the most high-pressure situation possible in the GSL is an example of both.

It wasn't won based on a long-term game plan with tip-top mechanics. Props to you for noticing that. I'm just saying that your opinion of this game not being "legitimately good" makes me think you're one of those people that complains about anything to sound insightful.

Everyone will remember this game. It is going to be enshrined as the finale to an amazing GSL finals.

I'm just saying I tuned in for the last game hoping for a game that showcased good mechanics and decision making and I was dissapointed. I'm just saying that the execution wasn't that good on either end. Thus, despite the fact that it was the last game in the Bo7 of the GSL finals, the game wasn't, in my opinion, good. I don't care whether it was "memorable" or "surprising" or "omg MVP's got mad balls look at how much he's blowing my mind" or not. I'm just commenting on how the game itself played out. You may or may not share the same opinion, but it's entirely up to you.
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 11:53:38
May 19 2012 11:52 GMT
#6987
On May 19 2012 20:46 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:43 TAMinator wrote:
It's too bad the past 30 threads are nerds argueing over nonsensical shit, when they could spend their time enjoying what was one of the better finals in GSL.

Ya exactly. Haters gonna hate.
MVP, nerves of steel.

Also, its hilarious that whereas someone like MC all-ins his entire SC2 career and has mad fans for it but MVP does it in a deciding game 7, after dropping 3 games in a row, including that heart breaker on Metropolis and he is 'cheeser' ? come on guys, get some perspective.

Some people just like games like Game 5 a lot more than Game 7. Can you blame them?
Do you like a 15 minute game more than an epic 120 minute LOTR battle of good and evil? You decide.

And stop with the haters calling, it´s getting old.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 19 2012 11:53 GMT
#6988
On May 19 2012 20:51 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:50 Lightspeaker wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:45 Kluey wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:43 Lightspeaker wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:41 drbrown wrote:

How the fuck is he a bonjwa in the GSL? It has been 10 months since his last GSL title.


There's a certain amount of irony in the fact that MVP is winning GSL more frequently than the entire Protoss race is and yet people still QQ about how OP Protoss are.

14 months and counting...you have absolutely no grounds for complaint.


GSL finals aren't a representation of balance. Protoss is perfectly balanced at this moment. They have weaknesses and strengths and neither is completely broken.

On-topic: I predict a ST vs IM GSTL finals with MVP vs Squirtle game 7. Calling it right now.


You're missing my point. Terrans are currently CONSTANTLY whining about OP Protoss.

Terran has been saying that since the end of LAST YEAR after Ghosts got nerfed. If Protoss was so OP we'd have seen it by now.

Have you been watching professional late game TvP?


Yes, I have. I see no problems other than the matchup is absurdly volatile.

Protoss hits storms = Terran dies. Terran hits EMPs = Protoss dies. Protoss snipes Vikings = Terran dies. Terran snips Colossi = Protoss dies.

It's balanced. Didn't say it was GOOD, but it's balanced.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 11:54:38
May 19 2012 11:53 GMT
#6989
I think game 7 was far, far better than game 5 and if you're of the belief that archon toileting 72-120 supply worth of 3-3 upgraded surprise BCs is "non cheesy" then intense, insane micro battles lost on the smallest of mistakes should be non cheesy too.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 19 2012 11:53 GMT
#6990
On May 19 2012 20:39 Lightspeaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:39 SkullZ9 wrote:
I can't believe protoss players are still whining when they have 3 players in the semifinals -_-


14 months since Protoss last won a GSL Code S.

2 GSL Code S wins for Protoss. With only one player. Under half the number of wins of Zerg, under a third of those of Terran. Hell, half of what MVP has managed by himself.

Terran has as many or more Code S medals in every category as Protoss and Zerg combined. And way more overall.

Last season Zerg beat Protoss in the final. This season Terran beat Protoss in the final.

Terran players: "Whaaa Protoss is OP."

lolk


I'm actually not all that unhappy with the principle of MVP getting a fourth championship because he's a great player. But it seriously bugs me when I see constant Terran whining in light of that kind of record.

Except that the terran winning is MVP, he is not just the best terran, he is the best player, but you can keep on blaming whatever you want to blame.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 19 2012 11:53 GMT
#6991
On May 19 2012 20:52 iSunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:46 Sub40APM wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:43 TAMinator wrote:
It's too bad the past 30 threads are nerds argueing over nonsensical shit, when they could spend their time enjoying what was one of the better finals in GSL.

Ya exactly. Haters gonna hate.
MVP, nerves of steel.

Also, its hilarious that whereas someone like MC all-ins his entire SC2 career and has mad fans for it but MVP does it in a deciding game 7, after dropping 3 games in a row, including that heart breaker on Metropolis and he is 'cheeser' ? come on guys, get some perspective.

Some people just like games like Game 5 a lot more than Game 7. Can you blame them?
Do you like a 15 minute game more than an epic 120 minute LOTR battle of good and evil? You decide.

Stop with the haters calling, it´s getting old.


Personally I found the entire series as a whole to be exhilarating, by far the best GSL finals. Like, going into game 7, after Mvp got up 3-0, and Squirtle did a ridiculous comeback to 3-3, I was flipping out.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
May 19 2012 11:54 GMT
#6992
Oh nice! MVP won. I missed it, thought it was 16th. After Diablo 3 release time seems distorted.

Maybe next season will bring some zergs to revert my attention back to the RTS, but until then I must liberate Heavens from Diablo's invasion on the highest difficulty
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
May 19 2012 11:54 GMT
#6993
On May 19 2012 20:52 opterown wrote:
[image loading]


hey look, four championships


Thanks for the pic.
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Diomedes7
Profile Joined November 2011
67 Posts
May 19 2012 11:55 GMT
#6994
On May 19 2012 20:46 Lazzi wrote:
I was by from far for Squirtle, but you can't say MVP he's a bad player, nor a bonjwa. I don't blame him for using all-in: he's progamer, he does what it is needed to win, al-in are strat like other and he's a great player he has proved it so many times last year and in this season of the GSL how good it is: the three first game against Squirtle were well played and he did an amazing job against Parting .
I blame just a bit Blizzard for the MULE, couldn't they add something like the MULE can't mine if there are less than 5 scv mining or something like that? It wouldn't change the game at all except those all-in which are getting really annoying...

Perhaps if if terran late game wasn't garbage, they would not be so much allins.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 19 2012 11:55 GMT
#6995
On May 19 2012 20:46 RageCommodore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:44 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:43 Zarahtra wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:38 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:37 Azera wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:35 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:30 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:
[quote]
sure if it was a ladder game it would just be an okay game, but as a game 7 of an insane GSL finals comeback after 6 macro games? HOLY DOUBLE BACK FLIP BATMAN

So you're saying because MVP decided to cheese in the last game of a Bo7, that made the game good?


It was good because you didn't know who was going to win for a good portion of the game, it only became obvious in the last few seconds.

I was entertained.

So you're saying it was good because the situation made it entertaining for a casual observer, not because it was an actual legitimate display of skill... Honestly, I'm not hating on MVP for what he did. He won, and props to him for that. I'm just saying it wasn't a legitimately good game with respect to a showcase of skill and decision making.


So you're saying it was bad because it was a coinflip?

No, but would there be anything wrong if I said that? I'm saying that it wasn't an actual good game if you looked at the game itself...


I gotta agree with Saracen here. There's not much you can really learn from watching an 11/11. I mean, there was the sweet flank, but everyone knows flanks can be sweet. It was nerve-wracking but not objectively high-quality.

Ignoring if the game was good or not, that doesn't hold though. I mean i know how to micro my MMMVG, but still I'm quite impressed with the pro players control as they micro it a lot better than me. Same can be said about 11/11, I might know how to do it, but in this case MVP did it a lot better than I would ever be able to do it.


That's true. Mvp is pretty beast with his 2 rax:
[image loading]


LOL awesome


I do what I can :D
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
May 19 2012 11:56 GMT
#6996
On May 19 2012 20:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:52 iSunrise wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:46 Sub40APM wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:43 TAMinator wrote:
It's too bad the past 30 threads are nerds argueing over nonsensical shit, when they could spend their time enjoying what was one of the better finals in GSL.

Ya exactly. Haters gonna hate.
MVP, nerves of steel.

Also, its hilarious that whereas someone like MC all-ins his entire SC2 career and has mad fans for it but MVP does it in a deciding game 7, after dropping 3 games in a row, including that heart breaker on Metropolis and he is 'cheeser' ? come on guys, get some perspective.

Some people just like games like Game 5 a lot more than Game 7. Can you blame them?
Do you like a 15 minute game more than an epic 120 minute LOTR battle of good and evil? You decide.

Stop with the haters calling, it´s getting old.


Personally I found the entire series as a whole to be exhilarating, by far the best GSL finals. Like, going into game 7, after Mvp got up 3-0, and Squirtle did a ridiculous comeback to 3-3, I was flipping out.

Yeah, these finals were pretty unique. After Squirtle came back, I couldn´t stay still. I didn´t expect this AT ALL. Even though I wanted this finals to be good. And boy, it was GOOD!
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 19 2012 11:56 GMT
#6997
On May 19 2012 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:47 Lightspeaker wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:42 DYEAlabaster wrote:

A record speaks about the past and not the present. Look at the statistical racial balance in THIS GSL, rather than the curve over the past 2 years. Balance is present, records are past.

I'm not sure if you're trolling or just.... silly.


Racial balance this GSL: 15 Terran, 10 Protoss, 7 Zerg.

Game, set, match.


In the ro8 there were no zergs and 5 protosses which should actually just indicate how well protoss is doing that their attrition rate is so low


And a Terran won the whole thing.

You can't have it both ways. If winning is purely player skill and racial balance shows who is stronger than Terran had more players than Protoss or Zerg in Code S. If winning is based on racial balance then Terran won the whole thing.

Arbitrarily picking a point and saying "oh look, more Protoss at this point" does not prove you right.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Cartel
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada255 Posts
May 19 2012 11:56 GMT
#6998
Both players played well but facts are facts
Another Terran Champion.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
May 19 2012 11:56 GMT
#6999
On May 19 2012 20:52 Saracen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:45 how2TL wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:35 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:30 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:26 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:22 Ace1123 wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:21 windsupernova wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:20 Freak705 wrote:
Anyone that thinks that Game 7 was not exciting is nuts. That was a micro clinic!


This



That! ^ It was really amazing all the micro involved and such decision making

Really? MVP cheesed and won a game with subpar micro. Squirtle did no better. You honestly can't say it was one of the better games you've seen.

sure if it was a ladder game it would just be an okay game, but as a game 7 of an insane GSL finals comeback after 6 macro games? HOLY DOUBLE BACK FLIP BATMAN

So you're saying because MVP decided to cheese in the last game of a Bo7, that made the game good?


It was good because you didn't know who was going to win for a good portion of the game, it only became obvious in the last few seconds.

I was entertained.

So you're saying it was good because the situation made it entertaining for a casual observer, not because it was an actual legitimate display of skill... Honestly, I'm not hating on MVP for what he did. He won, and props to him for that. I'm just saying it wasn't a legitimately good game with respect to a showcase of skill and decision making.


Choosing a high-risk strategy and committing to it under the most high-pressure situation possible in the GSL is an example of both.

It wasn't won based on a long-term game plan with tip-top mechanics. Props to you for noticing that. I'm just saying that your opinion of this game not being "legitimately good" makes me think you're one of those people that complains about anything to sound insightful.

Everyone will remember this game. It is going to be enshrined as the finale to an amazing GSL finals.

I'm just saying I tuned in for the last game hoping for a game that showcased good mechanics and decision making and I was legitimately dissapointed. I'm just saying that the execution wasn't good on either end. Thus, despite the fact that it was the last game in the Bo7 of the GSL finals, the game wasn't, in my opinion, good. I don't care whether it was "memorable" or "surprising" or "omg MVP's got mad balls look at how much he's blowing my mind" or not. You may or may not share the same opinion, but it's entirely up to you.



I think you tuned in to the wrong game then, very rarely will you see a starcraft 2 game have 40 minutes of constant action and brilliant decision making, the GSL finals of all things where 4-0 is the name of the game.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
May 19 2012 11:57 GMT
#7000
On May 19 2012 20:55 Diomedes7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:46 Lazzi wrote:
I was by from far for Squirtle, but you can't say MVP he's a bad player, nor a bonjwa. I don't blame him for using all-in: he's progamer, he does what it is needed to win, al-in are strat like other and he's a great player he has proved it so many times last year and in this season of the GSL how good it is: the three first game against Squirtle were well played and he did an amazing job against Parting .
I blame just a bit Blizzard for the MULE, couldn't they add something like the MULE can't mine if there are less than 5 scv mining or something like that? It wouldn't change the game at all except those all-in which are getting really annoying...

Perhaps if if terran late game wasn't garbage, they would not be so much allins.
But then again, Blizzard balance team officially said they design races to have different advantages in different stages of the game (and terran is designed for early advantage). Sad as that is.
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