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Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
May 19 2012 11:46 GMT
#6941
I was by from far for Squirtle, but you can't say MVP he's a bad player, nor a bonjwa. I don't blame him for using all-in: he's progamer, he does what it is needed to win, al-in are strat like other and he's a great player he has proved it so many times last year and in this season of the GSL how good it is: the three first game against Squirtle were well played and he did an amazing job against Parting .
I blame just a bit Blizzard for the MULE, couldn't they add something like the MULE can't mine if there are less than 5 scv mining or something like that? It wouldn't change the game at all except those all-in which are getting really annoying...
It's good to be back
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
May 19 2012 11:46 GMT
#6942
On May 19 2012 20:45 Kluey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:43 Lightspeaker wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:41 drbrown wrote:

How the fuck is he a bonjwa in the GSL? It has been 10 months since his last GSL title.


There's a certain amount of irony in the fact that MVP is winning GSL more frequently than the entire Protoss race is and yet people still QQ about how OP Protoss are.

14 months and counting...you have absolutely no grounds for complaint.


GSL finals aren't a representation of balance. Protoss is perfectly balanced at this moment. They have weaknesses and strengths and neither is completely broken.

On-topic: I predict a ST vs IM GSTL finals with MVP vs Squirtle game 7. Calling it right now.

Even blizzard said that late game TvP is bullshit...>_>

There's no way to beat lategame protoss armies if the protoss plays properly.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 11:48:17
May 19 2012 11:46 GMT
#6943
On May 19 2012 20:43 TAMinator wrote:
It's too bad the past 30 threads are nerds argueing over nonsensical shit, when they could spend their time enjoying what was one of the better finals in GSL.

Ya exactly. Haters gonna hate.
MVP, nerves of steel.

Also, its hilarious that whereas someone like MC all-ins his entire SC2 career and has mad fans for it but MVP does it in a deciding game 7, after dropping 3 games in a row, including that heart breaker on Metropolis and he is 'cheeser' ? come on guys, get some perspective.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 19 2012 11:47 GMT
#6944
Poll: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall??

★★★★★ (431)
 
84%

★★★★ (47)
 
9%

★ (16)
 
3%

★★★ (13)
 
3%

★★ (6)
 
1%

513 total votes

Your vote: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall??

(Vote): ★★★★★
(Vote): ★★★★
(Vote): ★★★
(Vote): ★★
(Vote): ★

ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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McVities
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom36 Posts
May 19 2012 11:47 GMT
#6945
On May 19 2012 20:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:45 Femari wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:42 Hassybaby wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:40 Lockitupv2 wrote:
How can one man be so based and over come all the haters?

He wont pass the Ro32.
He wont pass the Ro16
He cant beat Naniwa.
He cant beat Parting.
He cant beat Squirtle.

Haters did a lot of talking and now they are outlined in chalk.


Controversial point....people like other players

OMG

Oh please Mvp was the underdog throughout the entire GSL. He was in a huge slump. A 10 month GSL drought. Even I thought he probably wouldn't make it out of Ro32 he was doing so poor.


I never had any such doubts.


THIS. I never doubted the King.
I only know my mind, I am mine.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 11:50:26
May 19 2012 11:47 GMT
#6946
revenge of the nerds, MLG, Champions league final, .... shit, I won't go out this week-end :D

and SK proleague, i'm doomed
Terran & Potato Salad.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
May 19 2012 11:47 GMT
#6947
On May 19 2012 20:41 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:34 windsupernova wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:31 Exarl25 wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:30 Femari wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:28 Rulker wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:27 Femari wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:25 TheDougler wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:24 Havik_ wrote:
That was a great final, but Bonjwa? Really? Not even close.


MVP has been dominating for over a year and a half. It's certainly "close" now,

lol no he hasn't. He's been up and down. That's not bonjwa status.

4 gsls the only wcg and the only MLG he attended he won iirc

he is the closest to bonjwa even if not there yet

No. Bonjwa is a full year of domination. No falling off. No slumps.

I love Mvp, he's my favorite player. But he is no bonjwa.


But this is rubbish, BW bonjwas had plenty of slumps during their reign. People are making the term more sacred than it ever was, with these standards half of the BW bonjwas would never have been labelled as such.


This, just be honest guys. We all know you don't want the term Bonjwa to carry over from BW to SC2.


To me, a Bonjwa had an aura of invincibility/inevitability whenever he went up against anyone else. MVP just doesn't carry the same aura (probably because he isn't invincible in every single foreign event/team league).

Personally, I just think it's a difference in the games. Until we always put MVP as the clearcut favorite in every MLG, IPL, Teamleague match, and GSL, he doesn't really live up to the name (which isn't his fault, I just think SC2 is harder to consistently dominate).
SC2 is still way more volatile.

People are crazy - they were calling the best SC2 player to be: Leenock, MMA, DRG, MKP etc.
MVP just got knocked out of Iron Squid group stage... by Idra.
Finally wins something again = congrats, that's all.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
May 19 2012 11:47 GMT
#6948
On May 19 2012 20:45 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:42 Hassybaby wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:40 Lockitupv2 wrote:
How can one man be so based and over come all the haters?

He wont pass the Ro32.
He wont pass the Ro16
He cant beat Naniwa.
He cant beat Parting.
He cant beat Squirtle.

Haters did a lot of talking and now they are outlined in chalk.


Controversial point....people like other players

OMG

Oh please Mvp was the underdog throughout the entire GSL. He was in a huge slump. A 10 month GSL drought. Even I thought he probably wouldn't make it out of Ro32 he was doing so poor.


Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:43 Lightspeaker wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:41 drbrown wrote:

How the fuck is he a bonjwa in the GSL? It has been 10 months since his last GSL title.


There's a certain amount of irony in the fact that MVP is winning GSL more frequently than the entire Protoss race is and yet people still QQ about how OP Protoss are.

14 months and counting...you have absolutely no grounds for complaint.

Player skill =/= race's power


I ain't going to lie, even against Naniwa, of all people, I thought MVP was the underdog.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 19 2012 11:47 GMT
#6949
On May 19 2012 20:42 DYEAlabaster wrote:

A record speaks about the past and not the present. Look at the statistical racial balance in THIS GSL, rather than the curve over the past 2 years. Balance is present, records are past.

I'm not sure if you're trolling or just.... silly.


Racial balance this GSL: 15 Terran, 10 Protoss, 7 Zerg.

Game, set, match.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
tns
Profile Joined June 2011
1054 Posts
May 19 2012 11:47 GMT
#6950
Ahhh I missed the ceremony >< was there a trophee kiss?
Anyone got pictures :D ?
firebathero miss u♥! http://youtu.be/AXkoG9GnpcM - 1998/11/30 to 2001/05/18 BW stabilized! - WoL v.alpha HotS v.beta LotD v.gamma... summer 2017 SC3 (sc1remastered)
SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
May 19 2012 11:47 GMT
#6951
On May 19 2012 20:43 rift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:42 Hassybaby wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:40 Lockitupv2 wrote:
How can one man be so based and over come all the haters?

He wont pass the Ro32.
He wont pass the Ro16
He cant beat Naniwa.
He cant beat Parting.
He cant beat Squirtle.

Haters did a lot of talking and now they are outlined in chalk.


Controversial point....people like other players

OMG

Note how he was an underdog each time. This is not b-word.


B-word ? Does that mean bullshit ? If so, write the word, it's the same thing if you don't write it but convey the idea ..
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 19 2012 11:47 GMT
#6952
Hey guys don't forget SK Planet Proleague season 2 opening day is tomorrow, with BW and SC2 both being played. Don't miss it!
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
May 19 2012 11:47 GMT
#6953
On May 19 2012 20:47 opterown wrote:
Poll: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall??

★★★★★ (431)
 
84%

★★★★ (47)
 
9%

★ (16)
 
3%

★★★ (13)
 
3%

★★ (6)
 
1%

513 total votes

Your vote: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall??

(Vote): ★★★★★
(Vote): ★★★★
(Vote): ★★★
(Vote): ★★
(Vote): ★



4 stars, only because games 1-3 were pretty lackluster.
If you don't like it, you can quit.
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
May 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#6954
On May 19 2012 20:47 Dodgin wrote:
Hey guys don't forget SK Planet Proleague season 2 opening day is tomorrow, with BW and SC2 both being played. Don't miss it!


The craziness doesn't end this weekend.
DigitalDevil
Profile Joined October 2011
219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 11:48:43
May 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#6955
On May 19 2012 20:34 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:31 DigitalDevil wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:28 medic_ro wrote:
You know how u win vs toss !

LISTEN to BLIZZARD !

Punish Toss IN THE EARLY GAME and win !

Don't PUNISH TOSS, play straight macro game = 100% loss.

That's how i keep my toss win over 60%. Never, but never, macro game


I believe the message from Blizzard is to damage toss early game to come even late game. Terran going to late game with toss wouldn't necessarily mean the toss has an advantage. It's relative to how much damage was done. Blizzard is not telling you to win early game and that otherwise you lose...

They kind of said, kill toss in the midgame but then you can drag it out to the lategame if you like(rather than just take the w) and fight heads on.


This is what they said

We do agree that if both sides take few to no losses going into the late game, protoss can have an advantage. That said, we also know that terran players have a lot of offensive capability and harassment options at their fingertips in the mid-game. If terran players press that mid-game advantage, then protoss can’t necessarily get into the late game at their full potential, which can nullify any advantage they might have had. So, pressing that mid-game advantage is important (just as it would be important for protoss players to mitigate mid-game damage so they can to move into the late game in the strongest possible position). Ultimately, each game plays out differently, and depending on how the two races enter the late game, each side has a fair chance to win.


From that quote, they are definitely not advocating for terran to win early or during the midgame. As game designers, they would never say or even mean to hint at that. It's clear they are saying that terran has to do more damage earlier to break even or to gain an advantage later because they are supposedly designed that way.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#6956
On May 19 2012 20:47 Lightspeaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:42 DYEAlabaster wrote:

A record speaks about the past and not the present. Look at the statistical racial balance in THIS GSL, rather than the curve over the past 2 years. Balance is present, records are past.

I'm not sure if you're trolling or just.... silly.


Racial balance this GSL: 15 Terran, 10 Protoss, 7 Zerg.

Game, set, match.


In the ro8 there were no zergs and 5 protosses which should actually just indicate how well protoss is doing that their attrition rate is so low
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
May 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#6957
On May 19 2012 20:47 SkullZ9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:43 rift wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:42 Hassybaby wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:40 Lockitupv2 wrote:
How can one man be so based and over come all the haters?

He wont pass the Ro32.
He wont pass the Ro16
He cant beat Naniwa.
He cant beat Parting.
He cant beat Squirtle.

Haters did a lot of talking and now they are outlined in chalk.


Controversial point....people like other players

OMG

Note how he was an underdog each time. This is not b-word.


B-word ? Does that mean bullshit ? If so, write the word, it's the same thing if you don't write it but convey the idea ..

Ballsy
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
May 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#6958
On May 19 2012 20:47 tns wrote:
Ahhh I missed the ceremony >< was there a trophee kiss?
Anyone got pictures :D ?

Yeah, there was defo a trophy kiss ;P. I think there are some pics earlier in this thread but alas it is obv a jungle in this LR thread.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
May 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#6959
On May 19 2012 20:47 tns wrote:
Ahhh I missed the ceremony >< was there a trophee kiss?
Anyone got pictures :D ?

Of course there was. Mvp loves making out with his trophies.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
May 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#6960
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