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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:41 drbrown wrote: How the fuck is he a bonjwa in the GSL? It has been 10 months since his last GSL title. There's a certain amount of irony in the fact that MVP is winning GSL more frequently than the entire Protoss race is and yet people still QQ about how OP Protoss are. 14 months and counting...you have absolutely no grounds for complaint. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:42 Remi wrote: I don't see why BW fans are so desperate not to let anyone else use term bonjwa. It's because people who watched/followed BW know the true meaning/feeling of the word and don't want that meaning distorted. Often, people who are pushing for it in SC2 haven't seen how scary players like Savior and oov and Flash were to any opponent on any map at any time. No one in sc2 has really achieved that (personally I think MC was closest, but it wasn't for very long). | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:35 Saracen wrote: So you're saying it was good because the situation made it entertaining for a casual observer, not because it was an actual legitimate display of skill... Honestly, I'm not hating on MVP for what he did. He won, and props to him for that. I'm just saying it wasn't a legitimately good game with respect to a showcase of skill and decision making. You seem adamant to not be persuaded away from your view point but I'll throw my opinion in there and see if I can help. The reason game 7 was good was firstly because of the balls needed to do that. Proxy 2 raxxing in a good position in the GSL Code S finals after you've lost 3 in a row needs balls, I can appreciate that. Secondly it was because MVP was dead, Squirtle pushed him out of the base and MVP was essentially dead, the only way the only chance he had was relying on a Squirtle mistake and then controlling everything perfectly to pounce on the mistake. The Rax had been pumping while he was retreating and his Marines had been positioned above the rax so they could either retreat or swoop in and capitalise. Squirtle overextended and MVP uses such brilliant decision making in the event Squirtle pokes out that far to swing it back in his favour. And lastly because as the guy said you don't know was going to win for the majority of the game, initially you thought Squirtle had it easy, then you thought MVP had it easy, then Squirtle stopped it, then he cocked up and MVP had it, then got the bunker up, then he stopped MVPs mining and so on. You seem to be implying that because this wasn't a 40 minute action packed game filled with decision making it wasn't good in your opinion, that's fine but don't try to say the game was not good when analysised for the qualities and decision making and external factors surrounding it | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:41 Blazinghand wrote: Honestly, Terran is the best race, and our GSL results prove it. If I were a zerg or protoss player I'd seriously consider switching to Terran. As a Terran player I need not do any considering :D Meh, not switching. Play random in 4v4s and find T playstyle boring as hell. Might switch to Zerg though. Infestors are fun. | ||
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Yippicaya
32 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
What a game to wrap the series. One of the most tense SC2 game Ive seen from start to finish (kind of reminded me of the last BW proleague final game between bisu vs flash). Also another interesting thing was how the series highlighted the major flaws that exist in the TvP matchup, from the early/late game issues to Blizzard having no LAN. Hope they were watching this hahaha | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:43 Zarahtra wrote: Ignoring if the game was good or not, that doesn't hold though. I mean i know how to micro my MMMVG, but still I'm quite impressed with the pro players control as they micro it a lot better than me. Same can be said about 11/11, I might know how to do it, but in this case MVP did it a lot better than I would ever be able to do it. That's true. Mvp is pretty beast with his 2 rax: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RxNnal.jpg) | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:42 Hassybaby wrote: Controversial point....people like other players OMG Oh please Mvp was the underdog throughout the entire GSL. He was in a huge slump. A 10 month GSL drought. Even I thought he probably wouldn't make it out of Ro32 he was doing so poor. On May 19 2012 20:43 Lightspeaker wrote: There's a certain amount of irony in the fact that MVP is winning GSL more frequently than the entire Protoss race is and yet people still QQ about how OP Protoss are. 14 months and counting...you have absolutely no grounds for complaint. Player skill =/= race's power | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:35 Saracen wrote: So you're saying it was good because the situation made it entertaining for a casual observer, not because it was an actual legitimate display of skill... Honestly, I'm not hating on MVP for what he did. He won, and props to him for that. I'm just saying it wasn't a legitimately good game with respect to a showcase of skill and decision making. Choosing a high-risk strategy and committing to it under the most high-pressure situation possible in the GSL is an example of both. It wasn't won based on a long-term game plan with tip-top mechanics. Props to you for noticing that. I'm just saying that your opinion of this game not being "legitimately good" makes me think you're one of those people that complains about anything to sound insightful. Everyone will remember this game. It is going to be enshrined as the finale to an amazing GSL finals. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:45 Femari wrote: Oh please Mvp was the underdog throughout the entire GSL. He was in a huge slump. A 10 month GSL drought. Even I thought he probably wouldn't make it out of Ro32 he was doing so poor. I never had any such doubts. | ||
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:43 Lightspeaker wrote: There's a certain amount of irony in the fact that MVP is winning GSL more frequently than the entire Protoss race is and yet people still QQ about how OP Protoss are. 14 months and counting...you have absolutely no grounds for complaint. GSL finals aren't a representation of balance. Protoss is perfectly balanced at this moment. They have weaknesses and strengths and neither is completely broken. On-topic: I predict a ST vs IM GSTL finals with MVP vs Squirtle game 7. Calling it right now. | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:44 Blazinghand wrote: That's true. Mvp is pretty beast with his 2 rax: LOL awesome  | ||
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hewley
Germany1063 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:42 Talin wrote: I bet half those who declare mvp bonjwa now thought he would lose to Naniwa and "Parting's awesome PvT" not long ago. THIS. Those or at least part of them who declare MVP a bonjwa are a bunch of bandwagon fans who didn't believe in him the previous rounds before. | ||
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McVities
United Kingdom36 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:41 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: You can't be bonjwa in sc2 with so many tournaments all around the world. Playing a map a week (OSL/MSL formula) makes the bonjwa thing "easier" to earn. Now if you're playing every tournament possible, chances are that you'll lose a shit tone of games, preventing you from building this final boss aura. This man knows what he is talking about. A SC2 Bonjwa would always work differently then a BW one. I feel like when most of us gain the advantage of hindsight we'll realise this. I doubt we'll ever see someone overtake MVP's record of 4 GSL's (unless maybe MVP himself!). | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:40 Lockitupv2 wrote: How can one man be so based and over come all the haters? He wont pass the Ro32. He wont pass the Ro16 He cant beat Naniwa. He cant beat Parting. He cant beat Squirtle. Haters did a lot of talking and now they are outlined in chalk. I can't think of anyone who would pick a 3 time champion not making it out of the Ro32, Ro16 maybe. | ||
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iSunrise
3302 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:41 monkybone wrote: What? There are always people rooting for either player in a match. If you didn´t root for MVP you must be a hater! | ||
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ThaSlayer
707 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:45 Femari wrote: Oh please Mvp was the underdog throughout the entire GSL. He was in a huge slump. A 10 month GSL drought. Even I thought he probably wouldn't make it out of Ro32 he was doing so poor. Underdog would be overexaggerating it. Perhaps not in contention, compared to the likes of MKP and aLive | ||
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