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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
May 19 2012 11:40 GMT
#6881
On May 19 2012 20:39 Terminal wrote:
Time to go and pretend I'm MVP on ladder.



Don't think you'll meet any Protoss =)
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Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
May 19 2012 11:40 GMT
#6882
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10318 Posts
May 19 2012 11:40 GMT
#6883
On May 19 2012 20:37 -y0shi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:35 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:30 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:26 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:22 Ace1123 wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:21 windsupernova wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:20 Freak705 wrote:
Anyone that thinks that Game 7 was not exciting is nuts. That was a micro clinic!


This



That! ^ It was really amazing all the micro involved and such decision making

Really? MVP cheesed and won a game with subpar micro. Squirtle did no better. You honestly can't say it was one of the better games you've seen.

sure if it was a ladder game it would just be an okay game, but as a game 7 of an insane GSL finals comeback after 6 macro games? HOLY DOUBLE BACK FLIP BATMAN

So you're saying because MVP decided to cheese in the last game of a Bo7, that made the game good?


It was good because you didn't know who was going to win for a good portion of the game, it only became obvious in the last few seconds.

I was entertained.

So you're saying it was good because the situation made it entertaining for a casual observer, not because it was an actual legitimate display of skill... Honestly, I'm not hating on MVP for what he did. He won, and props to him for that. I'm just saying it wasn't a legitimately good game with respect to a showcase of skill and decision making.


This... No one is hating on mvp for doing it, play to win, no shame in that. But after doing an scv allin and not doing damage you should be dead, period, and not be able to comeback because you catch a stalker out on the map...


but catching a stalker is like killing 4 marines

and i think he didn't pull the probes back fast enough, the time when artosis was like he should pull back! oh wait, maybe not

at least, he should have microed the very front couple back to the mineral line so that they could regen

he felt really ahead at that point, with like double worker count? (yeah he had mule tho so it wasn't that big, but i thought squirtle would be able to win ;_;)

I guess partly was cus he was chrono'ing the WG (right?) and it didn't finish, so that hurt his production... otherwise he might have been able to chrono another unit out instead of wasting it on WG (idk how many he used on WG)


Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Lockitupv2
Profile Joined March 2012
United States496 Posts
May 19 2012 11:40 GMT
#6884
How can one man be so based and over come all the haters?

He wont pass the Ro32.
He wont pass the Ro16
He cant beat Naniwa.
He cant beat Parting.
He cant beat Squirtle.

Haters did a lot of talking and now they are outlined in chalk.
That's right folks, I definitely heard an ethnic twang in that voice, so everyone put your guesses on the screen. It's everyone's favorite game, it's Guess the Minority!!!
WickedBit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States343 Posts
May 19 2012 11:40 GMT
#6885
On May 19 2012 20:39 SkullZ9 wrote:
I can't believe protoss players are still whining when they have 3 players in the semifinals -_-


By the same logic I can't believe terran players are whining when they just won another GSL . Both sides need to relax and settle down.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10318 Posts
May 19 2012 11:40 GMT
#6886
On May 19 2012 20:39 Clefairy wrote:
MVP and Squirtle are trending on Naver as well!

[image loading]

That never happens for the GSL in Korea usually.


wow really? nice!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Obelisco
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru1962 Posts
May 19 2012 11:40 GMT
#6887
On May 19 2012 20:37 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:32 Obelisco wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:30 HappyVlane wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:27 Hart_Zhen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:25 TheDougler wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:24 Havik_ wrote:
That was a great final, but Bonjwa? Really? Not even close.


MVP has been dominating for over a year and a half. It's certainly "close" now,


Dominating?

After his last GSL victory more than 6 months ago he disappeared from the scene with bad results even in international events (wrists or not).

One GSL made of cheeses, 2 base timings and allins (it's a statistic, not a "QQragenoobumad" thing) doesn't make him jump back into the #1 terran in the world chart


So? Flash also had some bad tournaments due to his wrists and he's a bonjwa.

but he had bad tournaments after he was bonjwa. and do you know what it took? wcg gold, 2 osl, 2 msl, proleague, proleague mvp, winners league, and being in the finals of every major tournament for a year.


To compare to Flash is unfair though. Flash was the single most dominant player in the history of BW so comparing isnt really fair. I know that when you want to appoint the next bonjwa he will undoubtedly be compared to previous but lets compare his results to all of them and not just Flash. Do his results compare to the likes of Boxer, Oov, Nada, Flash and Voldemort. I would say not yet but its coming close.

Its true, but you must remember that the term was coined to "Voldemort" first and retroactively applied to Boxer, Nada and Oov, with the term ending with Savior. I would say Mvp needs much more consistency and to get his wrists fixed asap.
What i find most interesting of this series is that maybe Mvp found a way to play Tvp late late game instead of just turtling. If he had split his BCs he would have won that game
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
May 19 2012 11:40 GMT
#6888
On May 19 2012 20:36 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:34 windsupernova wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:31 Exarl25 wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:30 Femari wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:28 Rulker wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:27 Femari wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:25 TheDougler wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:24 Havik_ wrote:
That was a great final, but Bonjwa? Really? Not even close.


MVP has been dominating for over a year and a half. It's certainly "close" now,

lol no he hasn't. He's been up and down. That's not bonjwa status.

4 gsls the only wcg and the only MLG he attended he won iirc

he is the closest to bonjwa even if not there yet

No. Bonjwa is a full year of domination. No falling off. No slumps.

I love Mvp, he's my favorite player. But he is no bonjwa.


But this is rubbish, BW bonjwas had plenty of slumps during their reign. People are making the term more sacred than it ever was, with these standards half of the BW bonjwas would never have been labelled as such.


This, just be honest guys. We all know you don't want the term Bonjwa to carry over from BW to SC2.


I don't see why SC2 is so desperate to use the term bonjwa.

I bet none of those who declare mvp bonjwa did watch a true one in his making
CaptainCharisma
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand808 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6889
On May 19 2012 20:35 Saracen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:30 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:26 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:22 Ace1123 wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:21 windsupernova wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:20 Freak705 wrote:
Anyone that thinks that Game 7 was not exciting is nuts. That was a micro clinic!


This



That! ^ It was really amazing all the micro involved and such decision making

Really? MVP cheesed and won a game with subpar micro. Squirtle did no better. You honestly can't say it was one of the better games you've seen.

sure if it was a ladder game it would just be an okay game, but as a game 7 of an insane GSL finals comeback after 6 macro games? HOLY DOUBLE BACK FLIP BATMAN

So you're saying because MVP decided to cheese in the last game of a Bo7, that made the game good?


It was good because you didn't know who was going to win for a good portion of the game, it only became obvious in the last few seconds.

I was entertained.

So you're saying it was good because the situation made it entertaining for a casual observer, not because it was an actual legitimate display of skill... Honestly, I'm not hating on MVP for what he did. He won, and props to him for that. I'm just saying it wasn't a legitimately good game with respect to a showcase of skill and decision making.


They were saying the game was exciting. Chill out a bit?
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6890
On May 19 2012 20:40 monkybone wrote:
BW nostalgists want to reserve the term bonjwa to BW.


No, you're wrong. The just want to preserve the term bonjwa, and not have it being thrown around so carelessly and unthoughtfully.
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drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6891
On May 19 2012 20:38 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:35 Azera wrote:
Stop saying that Mvp is a bonjwa -.-


In the GSL he certainly seems to be.

too bad he doesnt give much on Team leagues.

But thats probably good, otherwise IM-SK would be unstopable in the upcoming GSTL
____

lol at that MC picture in the Outro, he always pops up with the boring careface.


How the fuck is he a bonjwa in the GSL? It has been 10 months since his last GSL title.

"Bonjwa is a term used to describe a player who dominates the StarCraft scene for a long period of time. A bonjwa has a very high winning percentage and successive title wins. However, a bonjwa is not defined by his statistics or records. Rather, a general consensus is reached that he is the most dominant progamer of his era."

MVP has been dominant in short periods, not over a longer span of time, and there is definitely not a general agreement that he is one.
I'm probably being ironic
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6892
On May 19 2012 20:39 Lightspeaker wrote:
I'm actually not all that unhappy with the principle of MVP getting a fourth championship because he's a great player. But it seriously bugs me when I see constant Terran whining in light of that kind of record.


Honestly, Terran is the best race, and our GSL results prove it. If I were a zerg or protoss player I'd seriously consider switching to Terran. As a Terran player I need not do any considering :D
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6893
On May 19 2012 20:39 Clefairy wrote:
MVP and Squirtle are trending on Naver as well!

[image loading]

That never happens for the GSL in Korea usually.


Are the LoL players/finals trending? They had a huge crowd, but not as much hype online from what I've seen.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also it was a 3-0 old school GSL Final in terms of badness, I heard.
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Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6894
I honestly feel that Squirtle could have scouted that Barracks way earlier than he did, but he held the initial push, destroyed the bunker, etc, then kills all the SCVs. I mean if he didn't lose those stalkers down by where the barracks were he could have had this.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
provrorsbarn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden766 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6895
Great finals. I think that the games where more decided by nerves then anything else and the series became unpredictable because of that.

Especially the last game you could really feel both players stressed out.
Im just a zerg
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6896
On May 19 2012 20:34 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:31 Exarl25 wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:30 Femari wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:28 Rulker wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:27 Femari wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:25 TheDougler wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:24 Havik_ wrote:
That was a great final, but Bonjwa? Really? Not even close.


MVP has been dominating for over a year and a half. It's certainly "close" now,

lol no he hasn't. He's been up and down. That's not bonjwa status.

4 gsls the only wcg and the only MLG he attended he won iirc

he is the closest to bonjwa even if not there yet

No. Bonjwa is a full year of domination. No falling off. No slumps.

I love Mvp, he's my favorite player. But he is no bonjwa.


But this is rubbish, BW bonjwas had plenty of slumps during their reign. People are making the term more sacred than it ever was, with these standards half of the BW bonjwas would never have been labelled as such.


This, just be honest guys. We all know you don't want the term Bonjwa to carry over from BW to SC2.


To me, a Bonjwa had an aura of invincibility/inevitability whenever he went up against anyone else. MVP just doesn't carry the same aura (probably because he isn't invincible in every single foreign event/team league).

Personally, I just think it's a difference in the games. Until we always put MVP as the clearcut favorite in every MLG, IPL, Teamleague match, and GSL, he doesn't really live up to the name (which isn't his fault, I just think SC2 is harder to consistently dominate).
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6897
On May 19 2012 20:30 iSunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:29 SpecFire wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:27 SoniC_eu wrote:
Mvp.....cheeses and...wins lol. What a anti climaticlast game... MVP IS KILLING E SPORTS, SQUIRTLE IS TRYING TO SAVE IT
(I am terran btw)


ME TOO! I'm Terran but i hated that ending. YES IT WAS INTENSE but NOT LIKE THIS MVP...

Well, MVP had to. It was perfect timing for a cheese. His coach has a great sense of this it seems.

That was a perfect finish after such long and drawn-out games, it was pretty intense and at one point any decent player out there( GM terrans included) thought that MVP could not win , so yea, perfect ending, mvp deserved this championship so much more than squirtle.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6898
You can't be bonjwa in sc2 with so many tournaments all around the world. Playing a map a week (OSL/MSL formula) makes the bonjwa thing "easier" to earn. Now if you're playing every tournament possible, chances are that you'll lose a shit tone of games, preventing you from building this final boss aura.
Terran & Potato Salad.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6899
On May 19 2012 20:39 SkullZ9 wrote:
I can't believe protoss players are still whining when they have 3 players in the semifinals -_-


Dude, this is your comment about the finals? That's pretty sad that you spoil this beautiful day in esports with trying to bait people here in the LR. I had a great day, I am a Protoss player and I don't complain. Get outta here!
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ThePurist
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada686 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#6900
On May 19 2012 20:35 Saracen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:30 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:26 Saracen wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:22 Ace1123 wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:21 windsupernova wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:20 Freak705 wrote:
Anyone that thinks that Game 7 was not exciting is nuts. That was a micro clinic!


This



That! ^ It was really amazing all the micro involved and such decision making

Really? MVP cheesed and won a game with subpar micro. Squirtle did no better. You honestly can't say it was one of the better games you've seen.

sure if it was a ladder game it would just be an okay game, but as a game 7 of an insane GSL finals comeback after 6 macro games? HOLY DOUBLE BACK FLIP BATMAN

So you're saying because MVP decided to cheese in the last game of a Bo7, that made the game good?


It was good because you didn't know who was going to win for a good portion of the game, it only became obvious in the last few seconds.

I was entertained.

So you're saying it was good because the situation made it entertaining for a casual observer, not because it was an actual legitimate display of skill... Honestly, I'm not hating on MVP for what he did. He won, and props to him for that. I'm just saying it wasn't a legitimately good game with respect to a showcase of skill and decision making.


Showcase of skill: Marine+SCV vs. Stalker+Zealot+Probe
Showcase of decision making: Game 7 of GSL finals where he lost 3 consecutive games - the balls to proxy and pretty much all of the little micro-battles were on-the-fly calculations. When his initial attack was blocked, he pulled more scvs and flanked and caught Squirtle off-guard.
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