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hanlonbro
108 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote: Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. | ||
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote: He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. So.... according to you IdrA when not on tilt is just as good as DRG? Lol? | ||
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hanlonbro
108 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:47 MrMercuG wrote: So.... according to you IdrA when not on tilt is just as good as DRG? Lol? You've probably never seen IdrA on a good day. When he gets to those 3 bases or more. | ||
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Firlefanz
Germany245 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:55 hanlonbro wrote: You've probably never seen IdrA on a good day. When he gets to those 3 bases or more. Well a player that loses a lot before he can get to 3 bases or more isn't considered a good player i would say... | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:55 hanlonbro wrote: You've probably never seen IdrA on a good day. When he gets to those 3 bases or more. troll of the day right here | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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hanlonbro
108 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:01 Firlefanz wrote: Well a player that loses a lot before he can get to 3 bases or more isn't considered a good player i would say... So every Zerg? Well unless all they do are all-ins like Leenock does. | ||
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote: He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. You are so wrong. DRG's mechanics are better than Idra, it's quite evident from DRG's stream he's on another level. | ||
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PandaMonk
United States300 Posts
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote: He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. Goto Youtupe and watch Stephano vs Idra in Korea and you can see how many injects Idra miss. Those games really hightlight the difference in macro. Idra dont got very good mechanics and hes macro are avarege. everyone can spam drones but mechanics also aplies when to make drones and when to make units. | ||
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OneThreeOne
Norway86 Posts
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:43 Benjamin99 wrote: Goto Youtupe and watch Stephano vs Idra in Korea and you can see how many injects Idra miss. Those games really hightlight the difference in macro. Idra dont got very good mechanics and hes macro are avarege. everyone can spam drones but mechanics also aplies when to make drones and when to make units. people know what mechanics means... and its pretty much consensus that IdrA has very very good mechanics... so in terms of that game several things should be noted: 1. mutas are a lot more micro intensive so idra should be a little behind on injects 2. that game was not won/lost off macro -_- what wound up happening is that stephano defended mutas without taking much damage, built up a bunch of queens to defend the hatches too, and then just attacked idra with more roaches and INFESTORS and queens agaist a limited amount of roaches + some blings + mutas... IdrA also got a little greedy taking the gold and presumably would have switched into infestor + roach production at that point once established. he got hit before that, and so his army, much of which was invested in mutas, didnt have enough killing power | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:55 hanlonbro wrote: You've probably never seen IdrA on a good day. When he gets to those 3 bases or more. Holy shit I love threads that involve Idra. You always get great quotes like these from his fans. | ||
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
I really wish he'd bounce back though and win something huge | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:58 CeriseCherries wrote: people know what mechanics means... and its pretty much consensus that IdrA has very very good mechanics... so in terms of that game several things should be noted: 1. mutas are a lot more micro intensive so idra should be a little behind on injects 2. that game was not won/lost off macro -_- what wound up happening is that stephano defended mutas without taking much damage, built up a bunch of queens to defend the hatches too, and then just attacked idra with more roaches and INFESTORS and queens agaist a limited amount of roaches + some blings + mutas... IdrA also got a little greedy taking the gold and presumably would have switched into infestor + roach production at that point once established. he got hit before that, and so his army, much of which was invested in mutas, didnt have enough killing power There's nothing exceptional about IdrA's mechanics these days. Top foreigner Zergs all have his macro. His army control is mediocre. The one thing he had - great muta control - he thinks is an out of date play style. The one thing going for him is his decent infestor control. That he has over Ret, but that's about it. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:58 CeriseCherries wrote: people know what mechanics means... and its pretty much consensus that IdrA has very very good mechanics... so in terms of that game several things should be noted: 1. mutas are a lot more micro intensive so idra should be a little behind on injects 2. that game was not won/lost off macro -_- what wound up happening is that stephano defended mutas without taking much damage, built up a bunch of queens to defend the hatches too, and then just attacked idra with more roaches and INFESTORS and queens agaist a limited amount of roaches + some blings + mutas... IdrA also got a little greedy taking the gold and presumably would have switched into infestor + roach production at that point once established. he got hit before that, and so his army, much of which was invested in mutas, didnt have enough killing power He used to when the game was in the infant phase. Today its nothing special every pro zerg player in the foriegn scene got those mechanics. And btw the games wasnt important we talking about mechanics. check out the injects in that game | ||
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FlyingDike
United States221 Posts
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Antithesis
Germany1235 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote: He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. Each of these 4 sentences is plain wrong. Nobody who follows the scene a bit would suggest Idra was on par with good Koreans, let alone top level code S Koreans (DRG) at the moment, I don't know where you take this from. Please, name 5 pros who recently stated Idra was anywhere near those players. Did you ever watch, for example, Losira stream? He's twice as fast as Idra, has way better macro, better micro, better multitasking, and, most importantly, way better decision making and game sense. There's such a huge gap between their play that you don't even need recent win statistics to see it. And that's true for any good Korean, DRG, Nestea, Leenock, whoever, you've to be delusional to think Idra was on their level even if he had a different attitude. Also, Idra's macro is certainly "good", but it's nothing special that distinguishes him from every other pro. Most average foreigners are close to his level and Koreans obviously are stronger in general. This whole "Idra and his sick mechanics" thing primarily still lives because in the beta he had his korean training advantage and could go beyond 3 bases better than most other foreigners, but right now, playing against a 4-5 base Idra isn't different from playing against a 4-5 base Nerchio, Sheth, Morrow, Ret, anybody. And not to mention Stephano. | ||
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FlyingDike
United States221 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:39 Antithesis wrote: Each of these 4 sentences is plain wrong. Nobody who follows the scene a bit would suggest Idra was on par with good Koreans, let alone top level code S Koreans (DRG) at the moment, I don't know where you take this from. Please, name 5 pros who recently stated Idra was anywhere near those players. Did you ever watch, for example, Losira stream? He's twice as fast as Idra, has way better macro, better micro, better multitasking, and, most importantly, way better decision making and game sense. There's such a huge gap between their play that you don't even need recent win statistics to see it. And that's true for any good Korean, DRG, Nestea, Leenock, whoever, you've to be delusional to think Idra was on their level even if he had a different attitude. Also, Idra's macro is certainly "good", but it's nothing special that distinguishes him from every other pro. Most average foreigners are close to his level and Koreans obviously are stronger in general. This whole "Idra and his sick mechanics" thing primarily still lives because in the beta he had his korean training advantage and could go beyond 3 bases better than most other foreigners, but right now, playing against a 4-5 base Idra isn't different from playing against a 4-5 base Nerchio, Sheth, Morrow, Ret, anybody. And not to mention Stephano. Thank you, this is very well written and true. | ||
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