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FlyingDike
Profile Joined December 2011
United States221 Posts
May 10 2012 01:18 GMT
#881
On May 10 2012 09:51 Manex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 09:44 FlyingDike wrote:
On May 10 2012 09:06 Manex wrote:
On May 10 2012 08:32 FlyingDike wrote:
On May 10 2012 07:53 Manex wrote:
On May 09 2012 14:20 FlyingDike wrote:
On May 08 2012 18:45 mememolly wrote:
On May 08 2012 07:22 FlyingDike wrote:
On May 08 2012 06:03 vertigo1 wrote:
idra should do the honourable thing and retire

Agreed.


why should he retire? he is still one of the best foreigners, that might not be saying a lot but it is still true, plus he makes good money, who else can get 10k stream viewers so easily? stephano and MKP with a webcam but no one else - 98% of foreigners have the same results he has had at recent major tourneys, should they retire also?

Do you know nothing about opportunity cost? Idra will be cleaning my dishes 10 years from now.

i wonder who else has forgotten that before BW, idra was offered a theoretical physics scholarship, i doubt he would ever end up cleaning dishes for a living.

What's the name of the scholarship? I'm genuinely interested. But regardless, your naivety is astonishing. Intelligence does not have much influence over which job you will have. Without credentials, Idra will be like any other HS graduate, working at McDonalds or cleaning my house.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IdrA check it out yourself, also, on stream idra has said before that if he wasnt playing starcraft hed like to work in theoretical physics, he is by no means too old to start now or in the next decade, so yes, as a matter of fact, his natural intelligence would, in this case, prevent him from cleaing your house or washing your dishes. my statement was not made out of naivete, it was in fact made out of a superior grasp of the facts behind the argument.

rofl, what a joke. I'm dying of laughter right now. You think Idra will attend college in his late 20s in pursuit of his dreams of becoming a theoretical physicist? That's 8-10 years, excluding post doctorate. Even the premise of obtaining a college degree from an university becomes slim with tuition rates as high as they are. He will likely not attend college, and if he does, it will be from a community college. Your crazy to think he shouldn't retire. It's the reasonable choice. I'm doing him a favor by suggesting it; if he listens, maybe he won't be mowing my lawn after all.

your argument just said he both should, and should not retire, since if you think theres no possibility of starting anew, then clearly he shouldnt retire. that having been said, your numbers seem way off, admittedly my understanding is of the australian education system, where you would be getting your doctorate while working, after 5 or 6 years from first beginning your undergrad (there is a masters program in the middle of that) people start qualificiations like that in their mid to late twenties all the time, its really not unheard of.

It's always possible to start anew, but not always convenient. If he waits many years to retire, say 7 years, then attending college(4 years) and/or graduate school(4-6 years) will be very inconvenient, both psychologically and economically. Perhaps if he doesn't retire within 8 years, he shouldn't retire at all and continue playing video games fruitlessly. His life could be summarized as that of a hamster running on a tread meal for a spectator's enjoyment. The more he runs, the more food we give him, and his routine of waking up and running all day for food repeats itself every day of every month of every year until he dies. Is this the life you want Idra to live? Rest assured, if he does have a late retirement, I will be willing to hire him.
Manex
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia156 Posts
May 10 2012 01:33 GMT
#882
On May 10 2012 10:18 FlyingDike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 09:51 Manex wrote:
On May 10 2012 09:44 FlyingDike wrote:
On May 10 2012 09:06 Manex wrote:
On May 10 2012 08:32 FlyingDike wrote:
On May 10 2012 07:53 Manex wrote:
On May 09 2012 14:20 FlyingDike wrote:
On May 08 2012 18:45 mememolly wrote:
On May 08 2012 07:22 FlyingDike wrote:
On May 08 2012 06:03 vertigo1 wrote:
idra should do the honourable thing and retire

Agreed.


why should he retire? he is still one of the best foreigners, that might not be saying a lot but it is still true, plus he makes good money, who else can get 10k stream viewers so easily? stephano and MKP with a webcam but no one else - 98% of foreigners have the same results he has had at recent major tourneys, should they retire also?

Do you know nothing about opportunity cost? Idra will be cleaning my dishes 10 years from now.

i wonder who else has forgotten that before BW, idra was offered a theoretical physics scholarship, i doubt he would ever end up cleaning dishes for a living.

What's the name of the scholarship? I'm genuinely interested. But regardless, your naivety is astonishing. Intelligence does not have much influence over which job you will have. Without credentials, Idra will be like any other HS graduate, working at McDonalds or cleaning my house.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IdrA check it out yourself, also, on stream idra has said before that if he wasnt playing starcraft hed like to work in theoretical physics, he is by no means too old to start now or in the next decade, so yes, as a matter of fact, his natural intelligence would, in this case, prevent him from cleaing your house or washing your dishes. my statement was not made out of naivete, it was in fact made out of a superior grasp of the facts behind the argument.

rofl, what a joke. I'm dying of laughter right now. You think Idra will attend college in his late 20s in pursuit of his dreams of becoming a theoretical physicist? That's 8-10 years, excluding post doctorate. Even the premise of obtaining a college degree from an university becomes slim with tuition rates as high as they are. He will likely not attend college, and if he does, it will be from a community college. Your crazy to think he shouldn't retire. It's the reasonable choice. I'm doing him a favor by suggesting it; if he listens, maybe he won't be mowing my lawn after all.

your argument just said he both should, and should not retire, since if you think theres no possibility of starting anew, then clearly he shouldnt retire. that having been said, your numbers seem way off, admittedly my understanding is of the australian education system, where you would be getting your doctorate while working, after 5 or 6 years from first beginning your undergrad (there is a masters program in the middle of that) people start qualificiations like that in their mid to late twenties all the time, its really not unheard of.

It's always possible to start anew, but not always convenient. If he waits many years to retire, say 7 years, then attending college(4 years) and/or graduate school(4-6 years) will be very inconvenient, both psychologically and economically. Perhaps if he doesn't retire within 8 years, he shouldn't retire at all and continue playing video games fruitlessly. His life could be summarized as that of a hamster running on a tread meal for a spectator's enjoyment. The more he runs, the more food we give him, and his routine of waking up and running all day for food repeats itself every day of every month of every year until he dies. Is this the life you want Idra to live? Rest assured, if he does have a late retirement, I will be willing to hire him.

technically you could describe most peoples lives that way, but when you think about it seriously, it seems highly probably that IdrA will either suck it up and start playing well again, or hell retire when he gets sick of it, a lot sooner than 7 years from now, if i were to wager a time, id probably give it three years considering his personality.
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JapaneseSC2
Profile Joined April 2012
60 Posts
May 10 2012 08:37 GMT
#883
This is so bad. I feel bad for Idra. May this be his sunset?
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
May 10 2012 09:24 GMT
#884
I'm happy for Morrow, he is a really underated and creative player. I'm still a bit sad that he switched to terran, but it was about time that he got a reward for his training in Korea.
Really looking forward to see him play more/
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 09:41:44
May 10 2012 09:41 GMT
#885
If any athlete would retire as soon as he hit a rough patch we wouldn't have many athletes in the world. I see no reason why Idra would retire before at least HotS is out we see which direction the game is going.
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Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
May 10 2012 13:06 GMT
#886
On May 10 2012 18:24 Jetaap wrote:
I'm happy for Morrow, he is a really underated and creative player. I'm still a bit sad that he switched to terran, but it was about time that he got a reward for his training in Korea.
Really looking forward to see him play more/


He's still zerg in ZvT and ZvP, and I'm actually glad he plays terran vs zerg, since he does so much creative play. There isn't really much creativity to be done in ZvZ.
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
May 10 2012 17:03 GMT
#887
On May 10 2012 06:15 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 00:42 SayGen wrote:

ThorZaiN sucking really bad? Did I miss smth.? He won DH, MSI-Cup and E-sport SM Qualifier the last month and is a major contender for being top-3-foreigner.

About Idra: the problem is, that he is 4th in his group because of a walkover and Cruncher. I doubt, he can hold that place, although he should beat Catz and maybe SeleCT, I do not see see him win against Ret, ThorZaiN or Lowely. Retirering might be the wrong choice though, an Idra in perfect shape is a threat to everyone, but someone really needs him to get there.


Ya your just being bias. Don't get me wrong I liek Thorzain he isn't better than Idra.
I'll repeat again
THORZAIN
1-3
with a -1 in total points.

Idra 2-1
+1 total points.



ThorZaIN's obviously pouring in the results lately and is a top 3 foreigner for sure, I guess because he sits 1-3 in his NASL group he sucks, according to that poster, which is obviously not the case.




Hey you nailed it.
Don't care about most tounrys. I only care about GSL, MLG, and NASL

You have your opinion I have mine.


Sorry, but that is bullshit (Not your opinion, that Idra is better than ThorZaiN. Although it is most likely wrong, it is an opinion. But saying, tournaments, you don´t watch, wouldn´t madder is ignorant and does´nt make much sence). Just because you don´t care about tournys, that does not make them irrelevant. I could also say "I just care about my Playhem daily´s. Revival has won 23 of them and is the best player in the world". The Dreamhack ThorZaiN just won, is bigger than everything Idra achieved in his career, besides maybe GSL and that was 2010.

Even if you just look at NASL, ThorZaiN lost against the top three of his division, getting a map from everyone and beating alicia, who defeated Idra 2-0, 2-0 himself. Idra got a walkover and a win against Cruncher, who is most likely the worst player in this group.

GSL and MLG are the top dogs. Dreamhack is a distant 3rd.
We Live to Die
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 17 2012 17:25 GMT
#888
Sick looking forward to this showmatch, cant say it will be a close series :D
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
May 17 2012 17:29 GMT
#889
On May 18 2012 02:25 Gladiator333 wrote:
Sick looking forward to this showmatch, cant say it will be a close series :D


slowpoke.jpg

This was played about a week ago.
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
ZeroSC2
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)668 Posts
May 17 2012 17:31 GMT
#890
IdrA is a joke nowadays, really living from his merchandise and overprized coaching lessons nowadays...
Flash
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 18 2012 13:58 GMT
#891
On May 18 2012 02:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 02:25 Gladiator333 wrote:
Sick looking forward to this showmatch, cant say it will be a close series :D


slowpoke.jpg

This was played about a week ago.


I meant Naniwa vs IdrA, you don't need to be rude.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
May 18 2012 14:45 GMT
#892
On May 18 2012 22:58 Gladiator333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 02:29 Hulavuta wrote:
On May 18 2012 02:25 Gladiator333 wrote:
Sick looking forward to this showmatch, cant say it will be a close series :D


slowpoke.jpg

This was played about a week ago.


I meant Naniwa vs IdrA, you don't need to be rude.


Is that a showmatch that will happen? Nani will roflstomp Idra at least as impressively as Morrow did.
It is really sad to see a top NA player fall so far, I just don't feel like I can count on Idra to win anything anymore.
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iAxXTV
Profile Joined September 2012
Romania8 Posts
November 12 2014 09:40 GMT
#893
On May 07 2012 13:26 Pandobra wrote:
I am merely giving out an objective answer as to who I think will win. You are accusing me of being a fanboy with no support. I am stating facts about idra. Perfect mechanics. Perfect decision making on a good day. What has morrow won? Idra has an IEM and an MLG. Based on that, idra will 4-0. No fanboy, just objective perspective. You kids are the ones making me out as a fanboy. I am just an ESPORTS fan looking for good games to watch while saying on a public forum who I think will win. Idra has proven that he can win championships. Morrow has not.

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