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On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 04 2012 14:56 hanlonbro wrote:
IdrA will win 4-0. Although Morrow knows Zerg and practices with Bigs but IdrA does have best foreign Zerg mechanics. Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference.
are you serious?
you say he is playing horribly the entire year just because of tilt but actually he is as good as the code s champion?
that is what i call fanboyism...
i mean srsly? you don't play horrible every game because you are on tilt
maybe he is on tilt after he plays horribly in the first 2 games of a bo5 and then he plays even worst in game 3 because he is on tilt but other thatn that you can't play him doing sooooo poorly on tilt
he is just not up to the international level anymore but i think he can get back up there if he changes the way he plays most of the matchups
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This gonna be fun to watch! Gl both
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IdrA haters... how immature.
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Morrow is a progamer that has an incredibly high understanding of the TvZ matchup from both sides, Idra does good only when the opponent implicitly agrees to play with very specific styles.
And Morrow knows them well.
4-2 for Morrow to be generous, but I wouldn't be surprised for an easy 4-0 at all.
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Morrow's TvZ is better than his ZvT these days, I think. His Terran is very impressive while his Zerg is a bit below that.
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On May 05 2012 06:39 Antithesis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote:On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 04 2012 14:56 hanlonbro wrote:
IdrA will win 4-0. Although Morrow knows Zerg and practices with Bigs but IdrA does have best foreign Zerg mechanics. Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. Each of these 4 sentences is plain wrong. Nobody who follows the scene a bit would suggest Idra was on par with good Koreans, let alone top level code S Koreans (DRG) at the moment, I don't know where you take this from. Please, name 5 pros who recently stated Idra was anywhere near those players. Did you ever watch, for example, Losira stream? He's twice as fast as Idra, has way better macro, better micro, better multitasking, and, most importantly, way better decision making and game sense. There's such a huge gap between their play that you don't even need recent win statistics to see it. And that's true for any good Korean, DRG, Nestea, Leenock, whoever, you've to be delusional to think Idra was on their level even if he had a different attitude. Also, Idra's macro is certainly "good", but it's nothing special that distinguishes him from every other pro. Most average foreigners are close to his level and Koreans obviously are stronger in general. This whole "Idra and his sick mechanics" thing primarily still lives because in the beta he had his korean training advantage and could go beyond 3 bases better than most other foreigners, but right now, playing against a 4-5 base Idra isn't different from playing against a 4-5 base Nerchio, Sheth, Morrow, Ret, anybody. And not to mention Stephano.
LOL why would a Korean Zerg openly admit that a foreign Zerg is better than them? They'd lose all of their pride. If IdrA were to stay in Code S last year, he would've easily gotten Top 8 every season. He's in a slump right now, which is why he didn't do too well in GSL Season 1 2012.
And I am not a fanboy, I am just pointing out the facts... telling it like it is, making them think. I am an unbiased objective Starcraft 2 fan who is just looking for some good games to watch then all of you randomly come in here and bash on IdrA.
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On May 05 2012 06:57 hanlonbro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:39 Antithesis wrote:On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote:On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 04 2012 14:56 hanlonbro wrote:
IdrA will win 4-0. Although Morrow knows Zerg and practices with Bigs but IdrA does have best foreign Zerg mechanics. Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. Each of these 4 sentences is plain wrong. Nobody who follows the scene a bit would suggest Idra was on par with good Koreans, let alone top level code S Koreans (DRG) at the moment, I don't know where you take this from. Please, name 5 pros who recently stated Idra was anywhere near those players. Did you ever watch, for example, Losira stream? He's twice as fast as Idra, has way better macro, better micro, better multitasking, and, most importantly, way better decision making and game sense. There's such a huge gap between their play that you don't even need recent win statistics to see it. And that's true for any good Korean, DRG, Nestea, Leenock, whoever, you've to be delusional to think Idra was on their level even if he had a different attitude. Also, Idra's macro is certainly "good", but it's nothing special that distinguishes him from every other pro. Most average foreigners are close to his level and Koreans obviously are stronger in general. This whole "Idra and his sick mechanics" thing primarily still lives because in the beta he had his korean training advantage and could go beyond 3 bases better than most other foreigners, but right now, playing against a 4-5 base Idra isn't different from playing against a 4-5 base Nerchio, Sheth, Morrow, Ret, anybody. And not to mention Stephano. LOL why would a Korean Zerg openly admit that a foreign Zerg is better than them? They'd lose all of their pride. If IdrA were to stay in Code S last year, he would've easily gotten Top 8 every season. He's in a slump right now, which is why he didn't do too well in GSL Season 1 2012. And I am not a fanboy, I am just pointing out the facts... telling it like it is, making them think. I am an unbiased objective Starcraft 2 fan who is just looking for some good games to watch then all of you randomly come in here and bash on IdrA.
3/10 for effort.
I think Morrow will take this, with Idra taking 1-2 maps.
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I'd probably buy a pass to watch this but idra has shown me that he never takes these things seriously, so I'm not giving him or NASL my money, sorry guys
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On May 05 2012 07:09 mememolly wrote:
I'd probably buy a pass to watch this but idra has shown me that he never takes these things seriously, so I'm not giving him or NASL my money, sorry guys
Why would he show his state-of-the-art builds in a petty little show match that means nothing? He gets $500 regardless. Not only that by he gets flown out by NASL to a bar where fans will buy him alcohol? Sounds good to me. IdrA can probably show Stephano or Ret level mechanics and win regardless, he doesn't have to unleash the Grack inside.
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On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 04 2012 14:56 hanlonbro wrote:
IdrA will win 4-0. Although Morrow knows Zerg and practices with Bigs but IdrA does have best foreign Zerg mechanics. Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference.
No, Idra's queens often float a lot of energy from what I seen. His mechanics are really solid compared to a lot of the other foreigner Zergs though, but definitely not comparable to Korean Zergs or other top foreigner Zergs imo.
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damn. subscriber only. =(
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Altought I won't watch I hope Idra actually puts a good show, theses 6 pools showmatch getting ridiculous.
Also from where will Morrow will play this?
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On May 05 2012 06:46 sVnteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote:On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 04 2012 14:56 hanlonbro wrote:
IdrA will win 4-0. Although Morrow knows Zerg and practices with Bigs but IdrA does have best foreign Zerg mechanics. Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. are you serious? you say he is playing horribly the entire year just because of tilt but actually he is as good as the code s champion? that is what i call fanboyism... i mean srsly? you don't play horrible every game because you are on tilt maybe he is on tilt after he plays horribly in the first 2 games of a bo5 and then he plays even worst in game 3 because he is on tilt but other thatn that you can't play him doing sooooo poorly on tilt he is just not up to the international level anymore but i think he can get back up there if he changes the way he plays most of the matchups
These posts are what makes me tear up.
I don't give a shi about idra's mindset or his shitty ZvP - Its the matter of fact that idra's mechanics are shit compared to before. He floats energy, he floats money - it is absolutely shit. People say it is good because idra is ''known for it'' but in tournaments the recent time its been horrible.
Stephano's domination seems to be a secret to people: Mechanics, dual hatcheries, no energy floating, creep spread, that is why he is dominating the foreign scene.
Same with DRG, drg just has insanely better mechanics.
Idra is not even close, not even close to drg in mechanics.
When idra stops floating money, he will start to actually win.
Low league players are stuck in this ''Be smarter, more intelligent'' when it boils down hugely to just doing the right thing but executing it perfectly with great mechanics.
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On May 05 2012 07:26 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:46 sVnteen wrote:On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote:On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 04 2012 14:56 hanlonbro wrote:
IdrA will win 4-0. Although Morrow knows Zerg and practices with Bigs but IdrA does have best foreign Zerg mechanics. Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. are you serious? you say he is playing horribly the entire year just because of tilt but actually he is as good as the code s champion? that is what i call fanboyism... i mean srsly? you don't play horrible every game because you are on tilt maybe he is on tilt after he plays horribly in the first 2 games of a bo5 and then he plays even worst in game 3 because he is on tilt but other thatn that you can't play him doing sooooo poorly on tilt he is just not up to the international level anymore but i think he can get back up there if he changes the way he plays most of the matchups These posts are what makes me tear up. I don't give a shi about idra's mindset or his shitty ZvP - Its the matter of fact that idra's mechanics are shit compared to before. He floats energy, he floats money - it is absolutely shit. People say it is good because idra is ''known for it'' but in tournaments the recent time its been horrible. Stephano's domination seems to be a secret to people: Mechanics, dual hatcheries, no energy floating, creep spread, that is why he is dominating the foreign scene. Same with DRG, drg just has insanely better mechanics. Idra is not even close, not even close to drg in mechanics. When idra stops floating money, he will start to actually win. Low league players are stuck in this ''Be smarter, more intelligent'' when it boils down hugely to just doing the right thing but executing it perfectly with great mechanics.
He's not playing very well lately because of his mindset. Like I said before. Every single pro agrees that IdrA is a top 10 player (not top 10 foreign player but in the world) but his mindset keeps him from playing the game that he loves.
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On May 05 2012 07:35 hanlonbro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 07:26 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 05 2012 06:46 sVnteen wrote:On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote:On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 04 2012 14:56 hanlonbro wrote:
IdrA will win 4-0. Although Morrow knows Zerg and practices with Bigs but IdrA does have best foreign Zerg mechanics. Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. are you serious? you say he is playing horribly the entire year just because of tilt but actually he is as good as the code s champion? that is what i call fanboyism... i mean srsly? you don't play horrible every game because you are on tilt maybe he is on tilt after he plays horribly in the first 2 games of a bo5 and then he plays even worst in game 3 because he is on tilt but other thatn that you can't play him doing sooooo poorly on tilt he is just not up to the international level anymore but i think he can get back up there if he changes the way he plays most of the matchups These posts are what makes me tear up. I don't give a shi about idra's mindset or his shitty ZvP - Its the matter of fact that idra's mechanics are shit compared to before. He floats energy, he floats money - it is absolutely shit. People say it is good because idra is ''known for it'' but in tournaments the recent time its been horrible. Stephano's domination seems to be a secret to people: Mechanics, dual hatcheries, no energy floating, creep spread, that is why he is dominating the foreign scene. Same with DRG, drg just has insanely better mechanics. Idra is not even close, not even close to drg in mechanics. When idra stops floating money, he will start to actually win. Low league players are stuck in this ''Be smarter, more intelligent'' when it boils down hugely to just doing the right thing but executing it perfectly with great mechanics. He's not playing very well lately because of his mindset. Like I said before. Every single pro agrees that IdrA is a top 10 player (not top 10 foreign player but in the world) but his mindset keeps him from playing the game that he loves.
No they don't, and he's not. I'm an IdrA fan, but when he gets obliterated by lower tier progamers in tournaments, then it's pretty obvious that he's not up to par. You're delusional if you think idra is top 10 in the world.
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On May 05 2012 07:09 mememolly wrote:
I'd probably buy a pass to watch this but idra has shown me that he never takes these things seriously, so I'm not giving him or NASL my money, sorry guys
Same here, any showmatch with idra is not worth it. I hope people stop giving him attention when he is terrible in showmatches, invite someone who actually wants to win.
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On May 05 2012 07:35 hanlonbro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 07:26 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 05 2012 06:46 sVnteen wrote:On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote:On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 04 2012 14:56 hanlonbro wrote:
IdrA will win 4-0. Although Morrow knows Zerg and practices with Bigs but IdrA does have best foreign Zerg mechanics. Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. are you serious? you say he is playing horribly the entire year just because of tilt but actually he is as good as the code s champion? that is what i call fanboyism... i mean srsly? you don't play horrible every game because you are on tilt maybe he is on tilt after he plays horribly in the first 2 games of a bo5 and then he plays even worst in game 3 because he is on tilt but other thatn that you can't play him doing sooooo poorly on tilt he is just not up to the international level anymore but i think he can get back up there if he changes the way he plays most of the matchups These posts are what makes me tear up. I don't give a shi about idra's mindset or his shitty ZvP - Its the matter of fact that idra's mechanics are shit compared to before. He floats energy, he floats money - it is absolutely shit. People say it is good because idra is ''known for it'' but in tournaments the recent time its been horrible. Stephano's domination seems to be a secret to people: Mechanics, dual hatcheries, no energy floating, creep spread, that is why he is dominating the foreign scene. Same with DRG, drg just has insanely better mechanics. Idra is not even close, not even close to drg in mechanics. When idra stops floating money, he will start to actually win. Low league players are stuck in this ''Be smarter, more intelligent'' when it boils down hugely to just doing the right thing but executing it perfectly with great mechanics. He's not playing very well lately because of his mindset. Like I said before. Every single pro agrees that IdrA is a top 10 player (not top 10 foreign player but in the world) but his mindset keeps him from playing the game that he loves.
one of top 10 player or zerg in the world ?_?
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On May 05 2012 07:26 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:46 sVnteen wrote:On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote:On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 04 2012 14:56 hanlonbro wrote:
IdrA will win 4-0. Although Morrow knows Zerg and practices with Bigs but IdrA does have best foreign Zerg mechanics. Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. are you serious? you say he is playing horribly the entire year just because of tilt but actually he is as good as the code s champion? that is what i call fanboyism... i mean srsly? you don't play horrible every game because you are on tilt maybe he is on tilt after he plays horribly in the first 2 games of a bo5 and then he plays even worst in game 3 because he is on tilt but other thatn that you can't play him doing sooooo poorly on tilt he is just not up to the international level anymore but i think he can get back up there if he changes the way he plays most of the matchups These posts are what makes me tear up. I don't give a shi about idra's mindset or his shitty ZvP - Its the matter of fact that idra's mechanics are shit compared to before. He floats energy, he floats money - it is absolutely shit. People say it is good because idra is ''known for it'' but in tournaments the recent time its been horrible. Stephano's domination seems to be a secret to people: Mechanics, dual hatcheries, no energy floating, creep spread, that is why he is dominating the foreign scene. Same with DRG, drg just has insanely better mechanics. Idra is not even close, not even close to drg in mechanics. When idra stops floating money, he will start to actually win. Low league players are stuck in this ''Be smarter, more intelligent'' when it boils down hugely to just doing the right thing but executing it perfectly with great mechanics.
See...this is why no one takes TL strategy seriously any more, because people just jump on random numbers and try to extrapolate player ranking from anything they can grab.
IdrA plays an extremely minimalist style. He tries to defend with as little as possible until he hits a tech that's he feels is strong enough to win the game, and then he starts constantly producing units. It's not floating money if he's not spending it intentionally.
Whether his playstyle is good or not is an entirely different argument, but saying that his mechanics are shit is sheer ignorance.
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On May 05 2012 07:42 JohnMatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 07:35 hanlonbro wrote:On May 05 2012 07:26 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 05 2012 06:46 sVnteen wrote:On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote:On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 04 2012 14:56 hanlonbro wrote:
IdrA will win 4-0. Although Morrow knows Zerg and practices with Bigs but IdrA does have best foreign Zerg mechanics. Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. are you serious? you say he is playing horribly the entire year just because of tilt but actually he is as good as the code s champion? that is what i call fanboyism... i mean srsly? you don't play horrible every game because you are on tilt maybe he is on tilt after he plays horribly in the first 2 games of a bo5 and then he plays even worst in game 3 because he is on tilt but other thatn that you can't play him doing sooooo poorly on tilt he is just not up to the international level anymore but i think he can get back up there if he changes the way he plays most of the matchups These posts are what makes me tear up. I don't give a shi about idra's mindset or his shitty ZvP - Its the matter of fact that idra's mechanics are shit compared to before. He floats energy, he floats money - it is absolutely shit. People say it is good because idra is ''known for it'' but in tournaments the recent time its been horrible. Stephano's domination seems to be a secret to people: Mechanics, dual hatcheries, no energy floating, creep spread, that is why he is dominating the foreign scene. Same with DRG, drg just has insanely better mechanics. Idra is not even close, not even close to drg in mechanics. When idra stops floating money, he will start to actually win. Low league players are stuck in this ''Be smarter, more intelligent'' when it boils down hugely to just doing the right thing but executing it perfectly with great mechanics. He's not playing very well lately because of his mindset. Like I said before. Every single pro agrees that IdrA is a top 10 player (not top 10 foreign player but in the world) but his mindset keeps him from playing the game that he loves. one of top 10 player or zerg in the world ?_?
Like I wrote... player. Not Zerg but straight up player.
On May 05 2012 07:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 07:26 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 05 2012 06:46 sVnteen wrote:On May 05 2012 04:46 hanlonbro wrote:On May 05 2012 03:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 04 2012 14:56 hanlonbro wrote:
IdrA will win 4-0. Although Morrow knows Zerg and practices with Bigs but IdrA does have best foreign Zerg mechanics. Plz explain why you think that and define Zerg mechanics? He never misses injects, and has perfect macro. Like EVERY OTHER progamer has said, it's his mindset. I'd put IdrA's mechanics on par with DRG's. DRG just doesn't go on tilt and that is the difference. are you serious? you say he is playing horribly the entire year just because of tilt but actually he is as good as the code s champion? that is what i call fanboyism... i mean srsly? you don't play horrible every game because you are on tilt maybe he is on tilt after he plays horribly in the first 2 games of a bo5 and then he plays even worst in game 3 because he is on tilt but other thatn that you can't play him doing sooooo poorly on tilt he is just not up to the international level anymore but i think he can get back up there if he changes the way he plays most of the matchups These posts are what makes me tear up. I don't give a shi about idra's mindset or his shitty ZvP - Its the matter of fact that idra's mechanics are shit compared to before. He floats energy, he floats money - it is absolutely shit. People say it is good because idra is ''known for it'' but in tournaments the recent time its been horrible. Stephano's domination seems to be a secret to people: Mechanics, dual hatcheries, no energy floating, creep spread, that is why he is dominating the foreign scene. Same with DRG, drg just has insanely better mechanics. Idra is not even close, not even close to drg in mechanics. When idra stops floating money, he will start to actually win. Low league players are stuck in this ''Be smarter, more intelligent'' when it boils down hugely to just doing the right thing but executing it perfectly with great mechanics. See...this is why no one takes TL strategy seriously any more, because people just jump on random numbers and try to extrapolate player ranking from anything they can grab. IdrA plays an extremely minimalist style. He tries to defend with as little as possible until he hits a tech that's he feels is strong enough to win the game, and then he starts constantly producing units. It's not floating money if he's not spending it intentionally. Whether his playstyle is good or not is an entirely different argument, but saying that his mechanics are shit is sheer ignorance.
This guy gets it.
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