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On April 14 2012 18:24 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:22 FakeDeath wrote:
Time to create the sad zergling page? Nah. The Sad Zealot was created during the 1/1/1 era, whereas this time, like it or not, the reason there are so few zergs in the Ro16 is because there were not very many in the Ro32, and most of the ones who were there quite simply didn't play good enough to advance. (Like both DRG & NesTea way underperformed and deserved to get dropped down)
I agreed.Nestea and DRG played horribly although Nestea played well until he lost the 2nd set to Virus.
Nestea could have 4-0 his group but things just suddenly gone haywire for him after that set.
The past 5 GSL there only 3,5,3,3,now 2 zergs in the round of 16 GSL.
Plus, the korean protoss have figured how to deal with muta play and the famous 12min max roach timing push.
I think its time for the sad zergling page.=(
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On April 14 2012 18:23 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:22 IshinShishi wrote:On April 14 2012 18:15 SeaSwift wrote:On April 14 2012 18:11 IshinShishi wrote:On April 14 2012 18:08 SeaSwift wrote:On April 14 2012 18:05 Havik_ wrote:
A Protoss will win this season. I'm feeling it. Especially since PvZ is the hard match up for Protoss right now and there are only 2 Zergs...
Aiur fighting!! PvZ is favouring P at the moment. PvT is the hard one, because early-midgame T has the advantage, and lategame P has the advantage so it's kind of wonky. PvP also contributes to the problem - most PvP snipers aren't so good at PvT and PvZ as the ones who aren't good in PvP, unfortunately. This means that a PvP group would produce the best PvPers, but not necessarily the most all rounded players. You're spreading misinformation, as shown by recent graphs, protoss has advantages in both the early and late game vs terran, having trouble only during the mid game, and most protoss players would agree that PvZ is their hardest matchup. Really? I must be missing some of the recent information, then 0_0 Mind giving a link? The March winrates showed P comfortably ahead in PvZ, and the winrates over time from MLGs showed that Terran trashed Protoss in the midgame then Protoss got far ahead in the lategame. Is that outdated now? I can't seem to find the thread, but it was based on a huge amount of data and pointed out that toss did indeed have advantages in the early game, which came out as a shock at first to most people, but actually makes sense if you've been watching the recent games, terran seems to get really strong once medivacs are out and continue to dominate till the 15-16 min mark. Oh. My apologies then if that's true, thanks for telling me without being a dick about it 
But, you are right about PvZ being the easiest and PvT back to being the hardest, at least for koreans, so I should apologize to you too =P.
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On April 14 2012 18:27 Inflicted_ wrote:
Hmmm, watching the pre-game show for today and MC stated he might choose Maru or Leenock.
I'm thinking Genius is going to pick SuperNoVa, MarineKing will choose July and then PartinG/MC will pick up Maru & Virus.
Don't think any of them will want to play a PvP or TvP so July will probably end up choosing NaNiwa.
If Naniwa tries his no-scout builds against July, he will probably lose.
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On April 14 2012 18:24 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:22 FakeDeath wrote:
Time to create the sad zergling page? Nah. The Sad Zealot was created during the 1/1/1 era, whereas this time, like it or not, the reason there are so few zergs in the Ro16 is because there were not very many in the Ro32, and most of the ones who were there quite simply didn't play good enough to advance. (Like both DRG & NesTea way underperformed and deserved to get dropped down)
Was that the reason last season as well? And the season before that, and the one before that? This is circular logic, the zergs don't advance because they don't play well, again and again, season after season. Why do you think that is, that zergs continually don't 'play well'. Could it have something to do with the way the race plays compared to the other two? And be reflective of an issue of balance?
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On April 14 2012 18:30 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:24 HaXXspetten wrote:On April 14 2012 18:22 FakeDeath wrote:
Time to create the sad zergling page? Nah. The Sad Zealot was created during the 1/1/1 era, whereas this time, like it or not, the reason there are so few zergs in the Ro16 is because there were not very many in the Ro32, and most of the ones who were there quite simply didn't play good enough to advance. (Like both DRG & NesTea way underperformed and deserved to get dropped down) Was that the reason last season as well? And the season before that, and the one before that? This is circular logic, the zergs don't advance because they don't play well, again and again, season after season. Why do you think that is, that zergs continually don't 'play well'. Could it have something to do with the way the race plays compared to the other two? And be reflective of an issue of balance?
But Zergs won last GSL......
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On April 14 2012 18:11 FidoDido wrote:
lol zerg is the worst race?... more like there are barely any zerg players in gsl code S since forever.
lol...
Doesn't that kinda go hand in hand? :p
Wish I could get some more zergs through to learn from. This gives me way less reason to buy the season pass for vods.
Oh well, GSL <3
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On April 14 2012 18:28 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:18 ACrow wrote:On April 14 2012 18:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 14 2012 18:10 Zeon0 wrote:On April 14 2012 18:08 windsupernova wrote:On April 14 2012 18:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 14 2012 18:02 Inflicted_ wrote:
Only 2 Zergs in Ro16 - God of War and Prince of War. if Nestea and DRG didn't play so terrible, the balance wouldn't be that bad. It would be 6 T, 6 P, 4 Z. Yeh, People should really watch the freaking games instead of playing number games. Both Nestea and DRG played badly on their groups. Both had pretty reasonable explanation as why their play looked sloppy.While I would have loved more Zergs both Nestea and DRG didn't really deserve to advance yeah, ofc all the Ps and Ts played perfectly, only Zergs played bad they played much better than DRG and Nestea. Did you watch Nestea's games today? He played quite bad. True that ^^ he played pretty bad. I don't know what's wrong with him, the one moment he looks almost as secure in his early game and decision making as first half last year when he was the best player, and the next match his micro looks like Code B level -.- He needs to get his act together... DRG played way below his standard as well, but he'll bounce right back, I'm sure. He didn't play bad all day. The games against inca were pretty one sides, as was the first game against Virus. It was once he go to the late game in that second match that he started to fall apart and never really recovered. His games against MC, I can't say much about the first game, but the second game he played pretty terribly. But overall I don't think you could say he was horrible today. Some good games, some bad games. Unfortunately the bad games cost him Code S.
vs MC game 1: sending a mass of Lings to counterattack a one base Protoss while a Stalker only force is killing your natural
vs MC game 2: making Mutas against mass Phoenix/Colossus; 1a into a choke+forcefields vs this force.
Yes, I believe I can say that he played horrible today. Very, very horrible in fact.
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On April 14 2012 18:30 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:24 HaXXspetten wrote:On April 14 2012 18:22 FakeDeath wrote:
Time to create the sad zergling page? Nah. The Sad Zealot was created during the 1/1/1 era, whereas this time, like it or not, the reason there are so few zergs in the Ro16 is because there were not very many in the Ro32, and most of the ones who were there quite simply didn't play good enough to advance. (Like both DRG & NesTea way underperformed and deserved to get dropped down) Was that the reason last season as well? And the season before that, and the one before that? This is circular logic, the zergs don't advance because they don't play well, again and again, season after season. Why do you think that is, that zergs continually don't 'play well'. Could it have something to do with the way the race plays compared to the other two? And be reflective of an issue of balance?
Even if it was, this is not the place for this kind of discussion and even though apparently no mods( willing to ban people) watched this particular day of code S, I assure you that they will come crashing down eventually, so, not worth it.
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Wait until next season. If Zergs keep getting crushed then it will become more obvious that there is imbalance. As of now, we have a Zerg champion, MMA lost 0-2 in a TvZ and there don't seem to be any obvious things that are imbalanced for Zerg.
The signs aren't all there yet that there is a significant imbalance against Zerg.
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On April 14 2012 18:31 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:30 m0ck wrote:On April 14 2012 18:24 HaXXspetten wrote:On April 14 2012 18:22 FakeDeath wrote:
Time to create the sad zergling page? Nah. The Sad Zealot was created during the 1/1/1 era, whereas this time, like it or not, the reason there are so few zergs in the Ro16 is because there were not very many in the Ro32, and most of the ones who were there quite simply didn't play good enough to advance. (Like both DRG & NesTea way underperformed and deserved to get dropped down) Was that the reason last season as well? And the season before that, and the one before that? This is circular logic, the zergs don't advance because they don't play well, again and again, season after season. Why do you think that is, that zergs continually don't 'play well'. Could it have something to do with the way the race plays compared to the other two? And be reflective of an issue of balance? But Zergs won last GSL......
Yes, zergs can win, we're talking probabilities here, but the broader picture tells a different story. The champion of last season now plays the first round of code A, after all..
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On April 14 2012 18:29 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:24 HaXXspetten wrote:On April 14 2012 18:22 FakeDeath wrote:
Time to create the sad zergling page? Nah. The Sad Zealot was created during the 1/1/1 era, whereas this time, like it or not, the reason there are so few zergs in the Ro16 is because there were not very many in the Ro32, and most of the ones who were there quite simply didn't play good enough to advance. (Like both DRG & NesTea way underperformed and deserved to get dropped down) I agreed.Nestea and DRG played horribly although Nestea played well until he lost the 2nd set to Virus. Nestea could have 4-0 his group but things just suddenly gone haywire for him after that set. The past 5 GSL there only 3,5,3,3,now 2 zergs in the round of 16 GSL. Plus, the korean protoss have figured how to deal with muta play and the famous 12min max roach timing push. I think its time for the sad zergling page.=(
hah, maybe come back when you start landing some zero zergs in GSL like protoss was a while ago 
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Man I fell asleep let me guess. Zergs are whining when MC doesnt lose vs zerg for 4 months now. No surprise, as I predicted if they met. If Nani can beat him MC was a sure thing. I am more surpized he beat inca since that's MCs weakness currently.
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On April 14 2012 18:33 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:30 m0ck wrote:On April 14 2012 18:24 HaXXspetten wrote:On April 14 2012 18:22 FakeDeath wrote:
Time to create the sad zergling page? Nah. The Sad Zealot was created during the 1/1/1 era, whereas this time, like it or not, the reason there are so few zergs in the Ro16 is because there were not very many in the Ro32, and most of the ones who were there quite simply didn't play good enough to advance. (Like both DRG & NesTea way underperformed and deserved to get dropped down) Was that the reason last season as well? And the season before that, and the one before that? This is circular logic, the zergs don't advance because they don't play well, again and again, season after season. Why do you think that is, that zergs continually don't 'play well'. Could it have something to do with the way the race plays compared to the other two? And be reflective of an issue of balance? Even if it was, this is not the place for this kind of discussion and even though apparently no mods( willing to ban people) watched this particular day of code S, I assure you that they will come crashing down eventually, so, not worth it.
Point taken
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I accidentally slept through this ( my body woke me up in time for normal gsl hours), which vods are actually reccomended ( I find the polls to be kinda inaccurate sorry).
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On April 14 2012 18:38 tdt wrote:
Man I fell asleep let me guess. Zergs are whining when MC doesnt lose vs zerg for 4 months now. No surprise, as I predicted if they met. If Nani can beat him MC was a sure thing. I am more surpized he beat inca since that's MCs weakness currently.
Plus that NesTea played more like a Code B player versus him.
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On April 14 2012 18:36 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:31 windsupernova wrote:On April 14 2012 18:30 m0ck wrote:On April 14 2012 18:24 HaXXspetten wrote:On April 14 2012 18:22 FakeDeath wrote:
Time to create the sad zergling page? Nah. The Sad Zealot was created during the 1/1/1 era, whereas this time, like it or not, the reason there are so few zergs in the Ro16 is because there were not very many in the Ro32, and most of the ones who were there quite simply didn't play good enough to advance. (Like both DRG & NesTea way underperformed and deserved to get dropped down) Was that the reason last season as well? And the season before that, and the one before that? This is circular logic, the zergs don't advance because they don't play well, again and again, season after season. Why do you think that is, that zergs continually don't 'play well'. Could it have something to do with the way the race plays compared to the other two? And be reflective of an issue of balance? But Zergs won last GSL...... Yes, zergs can win, we're talking probabilities here, but the broader picture tells a different story. The champion of last season now plays the first round of code A, after all..
Because he played terribly. You can't possibly say those games DRG lost were because of a balance issue if you watched them.
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On April 14 2012 18:42 ladyumbra wrote:
I accidentally slept through this ( my body woke me up in time for normal gsl hours), which vods are actually reccomended ( I find the polls to be kinda inaccurate sorry).
Quite a lot of them were good actually.
MC vs Virus g1, g2
Inca vs NesTea g2 if you need further evidence that carriers are in fact bad units
Virus vs NesTea g2, g3 (g2 prob best game today)
MC vs Inca g1 for some HILARIOUS failure lol
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On April 14 2012 18:38 tdt wrote:
Man I fell asleep let me guess. Zergs are whining when MC doesnt lose vs zerg for 4 months now. No surprise, as I predicted if they met. If Nani can beat him MC was a sure thing. I am more surpized he beat inca since that's MCs weakness currently.
PvP is volatile and right now it's just a defensive game where the turtler wins.
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The big thing is, that you don't see any special patterns that happen over and over again, when zerg loses. They tend to lose in all different situations, once a big fight, which isn't microed correctly, once they fall to multipronged harassment, once Broodlords out of position, once an allin or heavy early game pressure....
You could now say, that the whole race is just underpowered, but as long as I see major mistakes at unit control/positioning, unit composition in even top level zerg's play, I refuse to believe that.
This season every zerg that lost, made major mistakes, leading to the defeats. You can't really start a balance discussion on that base :/
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