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Please have some respect for the players, teams, and tournament.
Criticism is fine, criticism without anything to back it up isn't so cool.
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On March 24 2012 23:09 Kraznaya wrote:
Also, is it AvB and CvD in Winner Bracket semis, or AvD and BvC?
A/D, B/C
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On March 24 2012 23:09 Kraznaya wrote:
Also, is it AvB and CvD in Winner Bracket semis, or AvD and BvC?
At previous MLG's it was AvD and BvC.
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On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.
A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.
I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.
Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.
In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.
The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own. I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though. They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano.
Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm.
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On March 24 2012 23:06 Get.Midikem wrote:+ Show Spoiler +It will be something like this i guess.
Pool A:
(1)MarineKing
(9)MC
(8)Ganzi
(16)Sase
[17](2)Thorzain
[24](138)IsCrazyMoving
Pool B:
(7)Naniwa
(2)DRG
(10)Demuslim
(15)Haypro
[18](12)coLKiller
[23](52)JYP
Pool C:
(3)Huk
(6)Violet
(11)Ret
(14)Socke
[19](24)Alive
[22](51)colHeart
Pool D:
(5)Parting
(4)Oz
(12)Grubby
(13)TheStc
[20](27)Puma
[21](32)Polt
If it works that way, the Pool D Protosses will be very unhappy I guess.
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On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.
A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.
I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.
Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.
In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.
The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own. I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though. They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano. Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm.
Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this.
It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either.
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I'm actually more excited to see Polt versus Sheth. Two guys who I know are playing well.
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On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.
A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.
I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.
Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.
In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.
The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own. I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though. They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano. Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm. Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this. It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either.
IdrA has been shit in the past as well. It wasn't until he was about 2 years in estro/cj that he started to take off. This should be nothing new if you know Greg.
I always write him off because I know him. I'm always surprised when he actually manages to win something. Give the guy enough chances at kicking the can and eventually they'll get lucky. In terms of consistency, there's a trend with Greg. On a regular basis, he finishes near the top of all the foreigners. That's a pretty good trend to have, but still falls under the close but no cigar category.
Besides that, let's only focus on the here and now because that's the only thing that's relevant. I've seen nothing from Greg that tells me he's about to break out of his funk.
As for those other Europeans. I'd write them all off as well. They simply aren't living up to my expectations in terms of what they're capable of.
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On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.
A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.
I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.
Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.
In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.
The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own. I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though. They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano. Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm. Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this. It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either.
Even though he has not won any tournaments recently I think you forget Naniwa who has done very well as well as second place last MLG Championship.
I would personally rank him as high as Stephano for the Foreigners.
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On March 24 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.
A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.
I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.
Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.
In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.
The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own. I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though. They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano. Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm. Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this. It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either. IdrA has been shit in the past as well. It wasn't until he was about 2 years in estro/cj that he started to take off. This should be nothing new if you know Greg. I always write him off because I know him. I'm always surprised when he actually manages to win something. Give the guy enough chances at kicking the can and eventually they'll get lucky. In terms of consistency, there's a trend with Greg. On a regular basis, he finishes near the top of all the foreigners. That's a pretty good trend to have, but still falls under the close but no cigar category. Besides that, let's only focus on the here and now because that's the only thing that's relevant. I've seen nothing from Greg that tells me he's about to break out of his funk. As for those other Europeans. I'd write them all off as well. They simply aren't living up to my expectations in terms of what they're capable of.
There's a balance between the here and now (as in who won tournaments in the last week/month) and then acting like Jinro could win this. Which is where Idra comes in. Yes, Idra has had an awful year but MLG Orlando, IEM China and that Asus tournament were not that long ago.
Idra is a good player, he probably won't show it this weekend but I would be extremely suprised if Idra never won or did really well at another Sc2 tournament. I think most people agree he will break his slump at some point.
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Sheth's such a good guy, best of luck to him against Polt. Miracles can happen.
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The best thing about this day of MLG: If there is any downtime or dull matches; time to watch GSTL VoD's :D non-stop starcraft from now on.
Hoping for less sloppy games, better audio and that the casters kick it up a notch today!
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On March 24 2012 23:30 TheSilverfox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.
A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.
I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.
Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.
In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.
The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own. I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though. They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano. Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm. Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this. It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either. Even though he has not won any tournaments recently I think you forget Naniwa who has done very well as well as second place last MLG Championship. I would personally rank him as high as Stephano for the Foreigners.
You really shouldn't use something from around 4 months ago as evidence. And even then he's only really been getting top 8 since then, which isn't Stephano level.
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On March 24 2012 23:34 b0rt_ wrote:
Sheth's such a good guy, best of luck to him against Polt. Miracles can happen.
Not this time  )
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On March 24 2012 23:30 TheSilverfox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.
A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.
I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.
Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.
In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.
The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own. I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though. They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano. Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm. Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this. It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either. Even though he has not won any tournaments recently I think you forget Naniwa who has done very well as well as second place last MLG Championship. I would personally rank him as high as Stephano for the Foreigners.
Naniwa's obviously a top foreigner too but only Stephano sits apart from other foreigners as just being a cut above. Naniwa in 2012 has been kind of meh. He beat Nestea and Leenock sure, but the Nestea series was pretty cheesy crappy games. Elsewhere he disappointed at IEM Kiev losing heavily to Zenio and was stomped hard by DRG here (and at Winter Arena) and lost to Haypro.
I don't think Naniwa in 2012 has looked like the kind of player who is on Stephano's level. You can't talk about Stephano only playing foreigners but Naniwa himself has been losing to foreigners.
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On March 24 2012 23:39 Shackadeemus wrote:
It starts in 20 mins?
Yep, is your body ready?!
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On March 24 2012 23:30 TheSilverfox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.
A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.
I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.
Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.
In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.
The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own. I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though. They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano. Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm. Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this. It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either. Even though he has not won any tournaments recently I think you forget Naniwa who has done very well as well as second place last MLG Championship. I would personally rank him as high as Stephano for the Foreigners.
Naniwa has this tendency where the more he prepares the worse he plays. Like yesterday vs. Zerg - he had very specific builds prepared but when one thing goes wrong his entire game gets thrown off and he tilts. His GSL record, same thing - he prepares a very meticulous build, then Lucky makes six zerglings at an off timing and he just straight up loses.
I don't want to write Naniwa off because I think he's a great player, but he doesn't have the spontaneity and improvisational ability that Stephano demonstrates, and which makes Stephano a potent player. In that, Stephano is a lot like top Korean pros. He improvises and manages to win games that other foreigners straight-up lose.
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Just got the premium ticket! full night of SC2 this will be great!
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On March 24 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.
A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.
I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.
Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.
In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.
The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own. I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though. They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano. Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm. Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this. It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either. IdrA has been shit in the past as well. It wasn't until he was about 2 years in estro/cj that he started to take off. This should be nothing new if you know Greg. I always write him off because I know him. I'm always surprised when he actually manages to win something. Give the guy enough chances at kicking the can and eventually they'll get lucky. In terms of consistency, there's a trend with Greg. On a regular basis, he finishes near the top of all the foreigners. That's a pretty good trend to have, but still falls under the close but no cigar category. Besides that, let's only focus on the here and now because that's the only thing that's relevant. I've seen nothing from Greg that tells me he's about to break out of his funk. As for those other Europeans. I'd write them all off as well. They simply aren't living up to my expectations in terms of what they're capable of.
idra has never really performed when koreans were present, the exception being iem when he beat puma, other than that he gets trashed, all his mlg and ipl wins have come against na part timers
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will there be a free stream ? There werent in the last mlg thing and i am not familiar with the changes.
gogo stephano
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