[Day 2] MLG Pro Circuit Winter Championship - Page 3

On March 24 2012 21:14 Jomppa wrote:

you can change quality

On March 24 2012 22:15 Gerz wrote:


for 20$, free stream quality is not so nice to put it diplomatically.

On March 24 2012 21:21 SkelA wrote:
Is Stephano out of the tournament ? He is the only player that I enjoy watching playing SC2 .

On March 24 2012 22:17 Linwelin wrote:


Default quality is low which is horrible. You can switch to medium for free and its more than watchable

On March 24 2012 22:15 Gerz wrote:


for 20$, free stream quality is not so nice to put it diplomatically.

On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of players like Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a new level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are at the top of every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.

On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.

On March 24 2012 22:34 Type|NarutO wrote:


Koreans are better because they work hard and their overall level of training partners is higher. If you bring Koreans to western teams, you will have a better training and your level will eventually rise. Stephano is one of the foreign players that can win against any Korean. It doesn't mean he will always win, but he certainly has a shot even against the best of them.

We saw ret winning against MVP. If foreign players bring consistency into their game so they can show their A-game without being thrown off all the time, they can also win and 'step it up'. Korea is ahead and they are better, yet I see hope. In Broodwar it was a complete massacre usually with a few wins here and there and you could most of the time actually even argue if the Korean dropped the game on purpose.

Stephano is nearly 50% vs Polt who's a really strong player even among the Koreans. SaSe, Naniwa are all good and can take games off the Koreans. Ganzi won against MC, yet lost to SaSe just as one example. Sometimes one series doesn't mean as much. Obviously I generally agree, you often just don't see a big enough sample of games to make a clear statement.

Most of the time its 1 bo3 , ofcourse spread over the tournament but against different players. If they would play 100 games straight , it might either look terrible or not so terrible at all, we can't say. We should need to wait and see.

Btw: I don't think Stephano is going to quit, if he makes 700-1000$ / day with his stream.

On March 24 2012 22:22 BlindSight754 wrote:


Or spend $30 and get all 4 championships this year in whatever quality you want, two more streams and no ads. Was worth it to me. Thats less than seeing 2 movies for more entertainment.

On March 24 2012 22:44 HaXXspetten wrote:

Not so worth it for Europeans though, as MLG is in pretty bad times some days

On March 24 2012 22:40 Kraznaya wrote:
Can someone provide clarification on what open brackets feed into which pools? Is it just in order (top 2 go to A)?

On March 24 2012 22:44 HaXXspetten wrote:

Not so worth it for Europeans though, as MLG is in pretty bad times some days

On March 24 2012 22:34 Type|NarutO wrote:



Btw: I don't think Stephano is going to quit, if he makes 700-1000$ / day with his stream.

On March 24 2012 22:47 ragnorr wrote:

It depens on which seed the player who wins his bracket is.

On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:



I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though.