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Please have some respect for the players, teams, and tournament.
Criticism is fine, criticism without anything to back it up isn't so cool.
Thanks!
BlindSight754
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada156 Posts
March 24 2012 13:50 GMT
#61
On March 24 2012 22:44 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 22:22 BlindSight754 wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:15 Gerz wrote:
On March 24 2012 21:14 Jomppa wrote:
On March 24 2012 21:09 Gerz wrote:
Why is the free stream so low in quality?

you can change quality


for 20$, free stream quality is not so nice to put it diplomatically.


Or spend $30 and get all 4 championships this year in whatever quality you want, two more streams and no ads. Was worth it to me. Thats less than seeing 2 movies for more entertainment.

Not so worth it for Europeans though, as MLG is in pretty bad times some days


Thats true. Im spoiled for this event by being on the east coast. For once.
Aemilia
Profile Joined March 2012
344 Posts
March 24 2012 13:51 GMT
#62
On March 24 2012 22:44 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 22:22 BlindSight754 wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:15 Gerz wrote:
On March 24 2012 21:14 Jomppa wrote:
On March 24 2012 21:09 Gerz wrote:
Why is the free stream so low in quality?

you can change quality


for 20$, free stream quality is not so nice to put it diplomatically.


Or spend $30 and get all 4 championships this year in whatever quality you want, two more streams and no ads. Was worth it to me. Thats less than seeing 2 movies for more entertainment.

Not so worth it for Europeans though, as MLG is in pretty bad times some days


It's on a weekend. On MLG weekends I just take the monday off work and and then you can watch it all no problem.
Clutch8
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States258 Posts
March 24 2012 13:52 GMT
#63
Za7oX great work as always. Hopefully we can stream the Jinro vs Idra match.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
March 24 2012 13:55 GMT
#64
On March 24 2012 22:52 Clutch8 wrote:
Za7oX great work as always. Hopefully we can stream the Jinro vs Idra match.



TSL TSL TSL TSL TSL




Luv ya
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 24 2012 13:56 GMT
#65
On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.



I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though.


They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano.


I would argue that IdrA and Sheth if they bring their a-game are the best players from NA, at least two of them. DemusliM is EU player, doesn't matter if he lives in the US. I think EU has far more players that are capable of winning against Koreans.

Kas, Nerchio, ThorZaIN, MaNa, HasuObs, MorroW, Socke, Stephano,ret ... are all capable of taking bo3 series but it really depends on their match up and if they can bring their a - game. Koreans are far ahead if it comes down to consistency, but in overall skill and ability I think there are quiet a few players that can give the Koreans a good run for their money.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 14:03:34
March 24 2012 13:59 GMT
#66
On March 24 2012 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 22:47 ragnorr wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:40 Kraznaya wrote:
Can someone provide clarification on what open brackets feed into which pools? Is it just in order (top 2 go to A)?

It depens on which seed the player who wins his bracket is.



What exactly is the system? Would really appreciate if you explained it (or gave a link)

As far as i know:
The groups are build up on ranking(Which comes from MLG points), so #1-24 in ranking will be in a set group. But since the people who come from the open bracket dont have the same ranking dependant on who wins, Say sheth and thorzain wins their brackets, since sheth(He is #1 in open bracket) is higher in mlg points. He will have a better ranking than thorzain(he is #2 in open bracket). But if polt(Who is #32) and thorzain wins, thorzain would now have sheths old ranking of determening pool play since polt is lower in MLG points than thorzain(Polt would be determent by the other 6 winners MLG points)
Aemilia
Profile Joined March 2012
344 Posts
March 24 2012 14:00 GMT
#67
On March 24 2012 22:56 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.



I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though.


They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano.


I would argue that IdrA and Sheth if they bring their a-game are the best players from NA, at least two of them. DemusliM is EU player, doesn't matter if he lives in the US. I think EU has far more players that are capable of winning against Koreans.

Kas, Nerchio, ThorZaIN, MaNa, HasuObs, MorroW, Socke, Stephano,ret ... are all capable of taking bo3 series but it really depends on their match up and if they can bring their a - game. Koreans are far ahead if it comes down to consistency, but in overall skill and ability I think there are quiet a few players that can give the Koreans a good run for their money.


I don't know why I wrote Incontrol, I meant to write Huk.

Between Huk, Idra and Sheth they have three highest level foreign players.

I don't think anyone doubts that EU has more depth but there's no difference between the best EU players and the best NA.
gideel
Profile Joined January 2011
1503 Posts
March 24 2012 14:01 GMT
#68
pls some jinROLL
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
March 24 2012 14:02 GMT
#69
On March 24 2012 22:59 ragnorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:47 ragnorr wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:40 Kraznaya wrote:
Can someone provide clarification on what open brackets feed into which pools? Is it just in order (top 2 go to A)?

It depens on which seed the player who wins his bracket is.



What exactly is the system? Would really appreciate if you explained it (or gave a link)

As far as i know:
The groups are build up on ranking(Which comes from MLG points), so #1-24 in ranking will be in a set group. But since the people who come from the open bracket dont have the same ranking dependant on who wins, Say sheth and thorzain wins their brackets, since sheth is higher in mlg points. He will have a better seed than thorzain. But if polt and thorzain wins, thorzain would now have the better seeding since polt is lower in MLG points than thorzain(Polt would be determent by the other 6 winners MLG points)


Thanks, looked it up and it seems:

Out of the 8 winners,

Top and bottom open bracket seed will go to Group A
Second top and second to bottom open bracket seeds will go to Group B
Third to top and third to bottom open bracket seeds will go to Group C
Middle seeds will go Group D
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
March 24 2012 14:03 GMT
#70
round of 5 players:
Polt - TSL
aLive - exTSL
Rain - exTSL
Killer - exTSL
Symbol - TSL
JYP - exTSL
Inori - TSL
Heart - exTSL
PuMa - exTSL

TSL coach is definitely making good players.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
March 24 2012 14:04 GMT
#71
On March 24 2012 23:03 dragonborn wrote:
round of 5 players:
Polt - TSL
aLive - exTSL
Rain - exTSL
Killer - exTSL
Symbol - TSL
JYP - exTSL
Inori - TSL
Heart - exTSL
PuMa - exTSL

TSL coach is definitely making good players.



But having alot of troubles keeping them
TonyTiger
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia15 Posts
March 24 2012 14:05 GMT
#72
anyone know when the gracken vs gorillaterran is going to be on?

kind of need to sleep but i want to watch the games live.
For the swarm :)
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
March 24 2012 14:05 GMT
#73
On March 24 2012 23:04 magnaflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:03 dragonborn wrote:
round of 5 players:
Polt - TSL
aLive - exTSL
Rain - exTSL
Killer - exTSL
Symbol - TSL
JYP - exTSL
Inori - TSL
Heart - exTSL
PuMa - exTSL

TSL coach is definitely making good players.



But having alot of troubles keeping them

BW type training isn't fun.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
March 24 2012 14:06 GMT
#74
On March 24 2012 23:03 dragonborn wrote:
round of 5 players:
Polt - TSL
aLive - exTSL
Rain - exTSL
Killer - exTSL
Symbol - TSL
JYP - exTSL
Inori - TSL
Heart - exTSL
PuMa - exTSL

TSL coach is definitely making good players.

Now if he wasn't such a paranoid fellown maybe he could keep them. It's not a coincidence TSl logo is a picture of 2 eyes watching you.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 14:08:47
March 24 2012 14:06 GMT
#75
Championship Sunday is insane. 11 Bo3 if you come out of the Loser Bracket. Damn that shit.
On March 24 2012 23:05 TonyTiger wrote:
anyone know when the gracken vs gorillaterran is going to be on?
kind of need to sleep but i want to watch the games live.

It will be in 1 hour or 2 hours I can't help you more. Sorry.
You better check the OP.
I had a good night of sleep.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 24 2012 14:06 GMT
#76
On March 24 2012 23:03 dragonborn wrote:
round of 5 players:
Polt - TSL
aLive - exTSL
Rain - exTSL
Killer - exTSL
Symbol - TSL
JYP - exTSL
Inori - TSL
Heart - exTSL
PuMa - exTSL

TSL coach is definitely making good players.

Coach lee was a very good coach, he helped make players like light and sea in BW but as a manager he appears to not be as good at that.
Glorious SEA doto
Get.Midikem
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden312 Posts
March 24 2012 14:06 GMT
#77
It will be something like this i guess.

Pool A:
(1)MarineKing
(9)MC
(8)Ganzi
(16)Sase
[17](2)Thorzain
[24](138)IsCrazyMoving

Pool B:
(7)Naniwa
(2)DRG
(10)Demuslim
(15)Haypro
[18](12)coLKiller
[23](52)JYP

Pool C:
(3)Huk
(6)Violet
(11)Ret
(14)Socke
[19](24)Alive
[22](51)colHeart

Pool D:
(5)Parting
(4)Oz
(12)Grubby
(13)TheStc
[20](27)Puma
[21](32)Polt
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
March 24 2012 14:09 GMT
#78
Also, is it AvB and CvD in Winner Bracket semis, or AvD and BvC?
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
falafelnr1
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden444 Posts
March 24 2012 14:10 GMT
#79
Can someone plz link me the bracket on MLG site? That site must be the worst ever.
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
March 24 2012 14:10 GMT
#80
On March 24 2012 23:06 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:03 dragonborn wrote:
round of 5 players:
Polt - TSL
aLive - exTSL
Rain - exTSL
Killer - exTSL
Symbol - TSL
JYP - exTSL
Inori - TSL
Heart - exTSL
PuMa - exTSL

TSL coach is definitely making good players.

Now if he wasn't such a paranoid fellown maybe he could keep them. It's not a coincidence TSl logo is a picture of 2 eyes watching you.


LOL
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
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