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Please have some respect for the players, teams, and tournament.
Criticism is fine, criticism without anything to back it up isn't so cool.
Thanks!
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
March 24 2012 14:44 GMT
#101
On March 24 2012 22:34 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of players like Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a new level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are at the top of every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.


Koreans are better because they work hard and their overall level of training partners is higher. If you bring Koreans to western teams, you will have a better training and your level will eventually rise. Stephano is one of the foreign players that can win against any Korean. It doesn't mean he will always win, but he certainly has a shot even against the best of them.

We saw ret winning against MVP. If foreign players bring consistency into their game so they can show their A-game without being thrown off all the time, they can also win and 'step it up'. Korea is ahead and they are better, yet I see hope. In Broodwar it was a complete massacre usually with a few wins here and there and you could most of the time actually even argue if the Korean dropped the game on purpose.

Stephano is nearly 50% vs Polt who's a really strong player even among the Koreans. SaSe, Naniwa are all good and can take games off the Koreans. Ganzi won against MC, yet lost to SaSe just as one example. Sometimes one series doesn't mean as much. Obviously I generally agree, you often just don't see a big enough sample of games to make a clear statement.

Most of the time its 1 bo3 , ofcourse spread over the tournament but against different players. If they would play 100 games straight , it might either look terrible or not so terrible at all, we can't say. We should need to wait and see.

Btw: I don't think Stephano is going to quit, if he makes 700-1000$ / day with his stream.


First of all it's not one BOX or several BOX. It's just what we've seen from the past 1.5 years. Koreans (nearly) always win.

Second of all the reason why Stephano could make so much money by streaming is because he's widely considered the "foreigner hope" atm, and he plays at a really high level. To maintain his level of play he has to train every day like a pro, and I doubt he could do medical school and pro-starcraft at the same time. There's a tradeoff. To be a doctor or a starcraft 2 pro-gamer? The answer is clear.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
March 24 2012 14:45 GMT
#102
On March 24 2012 23:44 projectChaos wrote:
will there be a free stream ? There werent in the last mlg thing and i am not familiar with the changes.

gogo stephano

All Championship events will be free to watch.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
March 24 2012 14:45 GMT
#103
Is the stream at majorleaguegaming.com/live the only one? Are there any re-streams or better ways to watch it?
RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 14:46:44
March 24 2012 14:46 GMT
#104
On March 24 2012 23:43 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.



I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though.


They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano.


Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm.


Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this.

It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either.


IdrA has been shit in the past as well. It wasn't until he was about 2 years in estro/cj that he started to take off. This should be nothing new if you know Greg.

I always write him off because I know him. I'm always surprised when he actually manages to win something. Give the guy enough chances at kicking the can and eventually they'll get lucky. In terms of consistency, there's a trend with Greg. On a regular basis, he finishes near the top of all the foreigners. That's a pretty good trend to have, but still falls under the close but no cigar category.

Besides that, let's only focus on the here and now because that's the only thing that's relevant. I've seen nothing from Greg that tells me he's about to break out of his funk.

As for those other Europeans. I'd write them all off as well. They simply aren't living up to my expectations in terms of what they're capable of.


idra has never really performed when koreans were present, the exception being iem when he beat puma, other than that he gets trashed, all his mlg and ipl wins have come against na part timers


...What about Revival? Boxer? Hungon? Bomber? Artist? Supernova?
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
March 24 2012 14:48 GMT
#105
On March 24 2012 23:45 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:44 projectChaos wrote:
will there be a free stream ? There werent in the last mlg thing and i am not familiar with the changes.

gogo stephano

All Championship events will be free to watch.


It's not, you can see a part of it for free but they aren't free to watch.
And where's the broadcast schedule for 2 day? Still not up?
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
March 24 2012 14:48 GMT
#106
On March 24 2012 23:46 RageBot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:43 mememolly wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.



I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though.


They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano.


Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm.


Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this.

It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either.


IdrA has been shit in the past as well. It wasn't until he was about 2 years in estro/cj that he started to take off. This should be nothing new if you know Greg.

I always write him off because I know him. I'm always surprised when he actually manages to win something. Give the guy enough chances at kicking the can and eventually they'll get lucky. In terms of consistency, there's a trend with Greg. On a regular basis, he finishes near the top of all the foreigners. That's a pretty good trend to have, but still falls under the close but no cigar category.

Besides that, let's only focus on the here and now because that's the only thing that's relevant. I've seen nothing from Greg that tells me he's about to break out of his funk.

As for those other Europeans. I'd write them all off as well. They simply aren't living up to my expectations in terms of what they're capable of.


idra has never really performed when koreans were present, the exception being iem when he beat puma, other than that he gets trashed, all his mlg and ipl wins have come against na part timers


...What about Revival? Boxer? Hungon? Bomber? Artist? Supernova?


He barely beat boxer.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
BlindSight754
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada156 Posts
March 24 2012 14:48 GMT
#107
On March 24 2012 23:45 Kage wrote:
Is the stream at majorleaguegaming.com/live the only one? Are there any re-streams or better ways to watch it?


Theres a restream off the MLG website called MLG gold. Comes with a bunch of features, only $30 too.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 14:49:52
March 24 2012 14:48 GMT
#108
On March 24 2012 23:43 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.



I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though.


They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano.


Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm.


Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this.

It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either.


IdrA has been shit in the past as well. It wasn't until he was about 2 years in estro/cj that he started to take off. This should be nothing new if you know Greg.

I always write him off because I know him. I'm always surprised when he actually manages to win something. Give the guy enough chances at kicking the can and eventually they'll get lucky. In terms of consistency, there's a trend with Greg. On a regular basis, he finishes near the top of all the foreigners. That's a pretty good trend to have, but still falls under the close but no cigar category.

Besides that, let's only focus on the here and now because that's the only thing that's relevant. I've seen nothing from Greg that tells me he's about to break out of his funk.

As for those other Europeans. I'd write them all off as well. They simply aren't living up to my expectations in terms of what they're capable of.


idra has never really performed when koreans were present, the exception being iem when he beat puma, other than that he gets trashed, all his mlg and ipl wins have come against na part timers

You mean when he beat Boxer, Bomber and HongUn at Orlando or when he was one of the most consistent players in the first seasons of GSL? And he also beat Revival to win IEM.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 14:52:41
March 24 2012 14:49 GMT
#109
On March 24 2012 23:46 RageBot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:43 mememolly wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.



I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though.


They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano.


Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm.


Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this.

It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either.


IdrA has been shit in the past as well. It wasn't until he was about 2 years in estro/cj that he started to take off. This should be nothing new if you know Greg.

I always write him off because I know him. I'm always surprised when he actually manages to win something. Give the guy enough chances at kicking the can and eventually they'll get lucky. In terms of consistency, there's a trend with Greg. On a regular basis, he finishes near the top of all the foreigners. That's a pretty good trend to have, but still falls under the close but no cigar category.

Besides that, let's only focus on the here and now because that's the only thing that's relevant. I've seen nothing from Greg that tells me he's about to break out of his funk.

As for those other Europeans. I'd write them all off as well. They simply aren't living up to my expectations in terms of what they're capable of.


idra has never really performed when koreans were present, the exception being iem when he beat puma, other than that he gets trashed, all his mlg and ipl wins have come against na part timers


...What about Revival? Boxer? Hungon? Bomber? Artist?

oops misread the original quote
¯\_(シ)_/¯
TheSilverfox
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1928 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 14:52:24
March 24 2012 14:50 GMT
#110
On March 24 2012 23:36 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:30 TheSilverfox wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.



I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though.


They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano.


Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm.


Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this.

It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either.


Even though he has not won any tournaments recently I think you forget Naniwa who has done very well as well as second place last MLG Championship.

I would personally rank him as high as Stephano for the Foreigners.

You really shouldn't use something from around 4 months ago as evidence. And even then he's only really been getting top 8 since then, which isn't Stephano level.


Fair enough, but there has also not been so many major tournaments in 2012 yet. Naniwa has not competed in any real tournaments in 2012 except IEM Kiev & MLG Winter Arena - where he got top8 with impressive showings against Sheth, Leenock, NesTea.

+ I would not rank Lone Star Clash and Assembly as high as MLG Winter Arena or IEM Kiev.

It will be really interesting to see how both of them do this MLG though. Stephano is a beast and it would be great if they meet again - last time was DH Winter so it's been quite some time.
Also known as Joinsimon on Twitter/Reddit
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
March 24 2012 14:50 GMT
#111
On March 24 2012 23:49 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:46 RageBot wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:43 mememolly wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.



I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though.


They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano.


Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm.


Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this.

It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either.


IdrA has been shit in the past as well. It wasn't until he was about 2 years in estro/cj that he started to take off. This should be nothing new if you know Greg.

I always write him off because I know him. I'm always surprised when he actually manages to win something. Give the guy enough chances at kicking the can and eventually they'll get lucky. In terms of consistency, there's a trend with Greg. On a regular basis, he finishes near the top of all the foreigners. That's a pretty good trend to have, but still falls under the close but no cigar category.

Besides that, let's only focus on the here and now because that's the only thing that's relevant. I've seen nothing from Greg that tells me he's about to break out of his funk.

As for those other Europeans. I'd write them all off as well. They simply aren't living up to my expectations in terms of what they're capable of.


idra has never really performed when koreans were present, the exception being iem when he beat puma, other than that he gets trashed, all his mlg and ipl wins have come against na part timers


...What about Revival? Boxer? Hungon? Bomber? Artist?

LOL do you realize how long ago these matches were?

That doesn't matter for the point he is trying to make about what others are saying.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 14:53:28
March 24 2012 14:51 GMT
#112
On March 24 2012 23:49 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:46 RageBot wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:43 mememolly wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.



I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though.


They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano.


Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm.


Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this.

It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either.


IdrA has been shit in the past as well. It wasn't until he was about 2 years in estro/cj that he started to take off. This should be nothing new if you know Greg.

I always write him off because I know him. I'm always surprised when he actually manages to win something. Give the guy enough chances at kicking the can and eventually they'll get lucky. In terms of consistency, there's a trend with Greg. On a regular basis, he finishes near the top of all the foreigners. That's a pretty good trend to have, but still falls under the close but no cigar category.

Besides that, let's only focus on the here and now because that's the only thing that's relevant. I've seen nothing from Greg that tells me he's about to break out of his funk.

As for those other Europeans. I'd write them all off as well. They simply aren't living up to my expectations in terms of what they're capable of.


idra has never really performed when koreans were present, the exception being iem when he beat puma, other than that he gets trashed, all his mlg and ipl wins have come against na part timers


...What about Revival? Boxer? Hungon? Bomber? Artist?

LOL do you realize how long ago these matches were?

The guy he is quoting said Idra has never performed when koreans were present so why does it matther how long ago the matches were?
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
March 24 2012 14:53 GMT
#113
On March 24 2012 23:48 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:46 RageBot wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:43 mememolly wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:21 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:13 bikefrog wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:50 Aemilia wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:38 magnaflow wrote:
On March 24 2012 22:28 Azarkon wrote:
Doom and gloom post inc.

A poster said in the previous thread that Western players need to step it up.

I'm starting to think that's never going to happen. It's been 1.5 years, and the best the foreigner scene has produced is Stephano and while he's gotten to the level of Polt, he's not going to be able to get further since he's quitting this year because he can't see himself making enough money.

Going forward, OGN getting into SC 2 is going to bring on a fiercer level of competition in Korea. After the next OSL in March, BW pros are going to see the writing on the wall and they're going to have to switch. When that happens, Korean SC 2 is going to become even better.

In the foreigner's scene? Well, you can see the writing on the wall here, too. Teams are replacing their rosters with Koreans. Koreans are winning every tournament except those that a few special Westerners manage to win. Foreigners training in Korea aren't experiencing the success that people thought they would.

The going is tough and getting tougher, and I don't see any hope of the foreigner's scene coming to its own.



I would agree with you for NA players. The EU players are not that far behind though.


They're pretty much the same as guys like Sheth, Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim (NA based). USA might lack depth but their top players are basically the same as top EU players sans Stephano.


Nah. Barring HuK and perhaps Sheth the top EU players are on another level compared to the top NA players. And then there's Stephano who's in a league of his own among the foreigners atm.


Idra has won more significant tournaments than any EU players except Stephano. He's been crappy in 2012 but it's way too early to write him off because Idra has always done this.

It's not like Thorzain, Sase, White Ra, Morrow and other top Europeans have had good 2012's either.


IdrA has been shit in the past as well. It wasn't until he was about 2 years in estro/cj that he started to take off. This should be nothing new if you know Greg.

I always write him off because I know him. I'm always surprised when he actually manages to win something. Give the guy enough chances at kicking the can and eventually they'll get lucky. In terms of consistency, there's a trend with Greg. On a regular basis, he finishes near the top of all the foreigners. That's a pretty good trend to have, but still falls under the close but no cigar category.

Besides that, let's only focus on the here and now because that's the only thing that's relevant. I've seen nothing from Greg that tells me he's about to break out of his funk.

As for those other Europeans. I'd write them all off as well. They simply aren't living up to my expectations in terms of what they're capable of.


idra has never really performed when koreans were present, the exception being iem when he beat puma, other than that he gets trashed, all his mlg and ipl wins have come against na part timers


...What about Revival? Boxer? Hungon? Bomber? Artist? Supernova?


He barely beat boxer.

It's kinda hard to have a clean win when are you are being cheesed every single game and he still beat him so i don't understand what's your point.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 14:55:08
March 24 2012 14:53 GMT
#114
Hooray! Rock music instead of dubstep!

Thank you MLG.

Edit: And then they start with the crapstep D:
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
March 24 2012 14:54 GMT
#115
idra jinro up first?
HejaBVB
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany125 Posts
March 24 2012 14:55 GMT
#116
btw yesterday I could watch all streams in 1080p, was that a promotion or a bug?
guluru
Profile Joined August 2010
United States83 Posts
March 24 2012 14:56 GMT
#117
On March 24 2012 23:48 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 23:45 Femari wrote:
On March 24 2012 23:44 projectChaos wrote:
will there be a free stream ? There werent in the last mlg thing and i am not familiar with the changes.

gogo stephano

All Championship events will be free to watch.


It's not, you can see a part of it for free but they aren't free to watch.
And where's the broadcast schedule for 2 day? Still not up?


No it's free.... You can pay more to get 2 additional streams for 4 games at a time, but it is free to watch
onedayclose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1145 Posts
March 24 2012 14:56 GMT
#118
spell states name right in that poll for GODS SAKE!!!!!!
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
March 24 2012 14:58 GMT
#119
On March 24 2012 23:54 mememolly wrote:
idra jinro up first?

think/hope so
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 14:59:40
March 24 2012 14:59 GMT
#120
On March 24 2012 23:45 Kage wrote:
Is the stream at majorleaguegaming.com/live the only one? Are there any re-streams or better ways to watch it?


They also used Twitch yesterday, so probably you will able to watch the two free streams there today.
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