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Please have some respect for the players, teams, and tournament.
Criticism is fine, criticism without anything to back it up isn't so cool.
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On March 25 2012 20:41 TXN wrote:
Does anyone else have a problem with day9 constantly repeating 'I am day9" before and after every map ? I am probably being unreasonable but I tend to avoid the stream he is casting because of that (and his overall narcissism),I don't know why it just irritates me.
He's not narcissistic just because you don't like him. And not watching because of him saying "I am day9" is pretty unreasonable.
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On March 25 2012 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 19:53 ragnorr wrote:On March 25 2012 19:47 Sr18 wrote:On March 25 2012 19:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This seems to be a pretty cheesy tournament... Heart basically lives because he knows the 1/1/1. Ostojiy apparently all ins 2/3 of his games which provokes countercheese (by Demuslim for example), YaTa cheesed his way through people like Destiny, Crazymoving has shown his share of all ins, Parting vs Rain was two all ins just like a whole lot of other series and so on... I dunno, haven't been the prettiest games so far. Best series was Oz vs aLive imo. From the side of the players coming from the open bracket it makes sense to opt for plenty of 1- or 2-base all-ins. They have to win so many games to even reach the pools/championship bracket, that any player would get severely fatiqued if they would only play for longer games. Taken into account the amount of games and series that Heart had to win to even reach pool-play, his 5-0 in the pools is very impressive to me, regardless of how he won those series. He did show decent macro play as well, such as his game vs socke and his games vs ret. some just judge players based on the fact he won against huk with a 1/1/1 -_- Two 1/1/1s. His TvP consists of two builds: the 1/1/1 and this reactored 2 rax thing. If he plays standard vs Socke that's... cool? But he's beating people who are better than him just by cheesing. I myself would rather watch a HuK vs DRG semifinals because the games would probably be better. Heart's only chance to beat DRG is to cheese him to death while HuK would put up a better fight. So one semifinal series will probably be unattractive already just because Heart knows how to cheese... great. And then you have Parting vs MKP which could be a GSL final series. That's the kind of game I wanna see, not some cheese / one sided slaughter.
Heart is far more legit than a player such as Huk who is invited to almost all foreign tournaments and gets freepass to code S after falling to code B.
Heart only has GSL to play...
If he dropped down to code B he would disappear, no foreign tournament organizers would invite him again, no kor team would pay for the travel.
In other words, it's time for people like you to understand how privileged foreign players are in Starcraft 2 and show some respect to people like Heart.
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On March 25 2012 20:37 zocktol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 25 2012 19:53 ragnorr wrote:On March 25 2012 19:47 Sr18 wrote:On March 25 2012 19:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This seems to be a pretty cheesy tournament... Heart basically lives because he knows the 1/1/1. Ostojiy apparently all ins 2/3 of his games which provokes countercheese (by Demuslim for example), YaTa cheesed his way through people like Destiny, Crazymoving has shown his share of all ins, Parting vs Rain was two all ins just like a whole lot of other series and so on... I dunno, haven't been the prettiest games so far. Best series was Oz vs aLive imo. From the side of the players coming from the open bracket it makes sense to opt for plenty of 1- or 2-base all-ins. They have to win so many games to even reach the pools/championship bracket, that any player would get severely fatiqued if they would only play for longer games. Taken into account the amount of games and series that Heart had to win to even reach pool-play, his 5-0 in the pools is very impressive to me, regardless of how he won those series. He did show decent macro play as well, such as his game vs socke and his games vs ret. some just judge players based on the fact he won against huk with a 1/1/1 -_- Two 1/1/1s. His TvP consists of two builds: the 1/1/1 and this reactored 2 rax thing. If he plays standard vs Socke that's... cool? But he's beating people who are better than him just by cheesing. I myself would rather watch a HuK vs DRG semifinals because the games would probably be better. Heart's only chance to beat DRG is to cheese him to death while HuK would put up a better fight. So one semifinal series will probably be unattractive already just because Heart knows how to cheese... great. And then you have Parting vs MKP which could be a GSL final series. That's the kind of game I wanna see, not some cheese / one sided slaughter. So cheesing invalidates winning, or is cheese just so easy that everyone can win against a professional Protoss using that build? And how can you draw conclusions, how is TvZ is from his TvP? And why is cheese boring to watch? The series between Huk and DRG at Winter arena were not even close. DRG just walked over Huk and it was not even close in my opinion. Just relax and enjoy the show, instead of trying to make Heart the worst player there ever was, who is destroying your enjoyment of the game.
It's not his cheese that makes him a less skilled player, it's his macro games that show it. So he beat Socke and Ret. Ret has been tilted the whole weekend and Socke is pretty inconsistent.
I also have absolutely no interest in watching 1/1/1 bs all the time. It's just the way he plays against people he's apparently wary of. I know Heart's TvZ from the Up / Down matches and well... he cheeses. That's how he even got the spot there. He's not capable of playing standard games against people of Code A caliber and he's shown it, getting absolutely demolished by Bboongbboong, Squirtle and Keen. The one game he didn't cheese HuK, he lost super decisively. Well... DRG is the best ZvT player in the world, he's gonna roflstomp somebody who has to rely on cheese to even stand up to players like HuK.
On March 25 2012 20:53 Sea_aeS wrote:
Seriously how the fuck can you hate Heart for 1/1/1 and say that Huk is a better player when hes well known for being a basical all-inner.... ImO you re just a bisaed Huk fan
I don't even follow HuK but he's certainly a higher level player than Heart. Watch their Up/Down matches and you'll see. HuK stood a chance in standard games while Heart got ripped apart when his cheese failed.
I want the best player to win, not somebody who abuses all ins and gets demolished once they fail. Which is why I want MKP, Parting or DRG to take this.
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What happened to Stephano? Hasnt he even made i out of the OB?  .
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On March 25 2012 21:03 MadNeSs wrote:What happened to Stephano? Hasnt he even made i out of the OB? .
Lost to Polt in winners bracket and to inori in losers bracket. Guess the TSL players have his number!
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I just finished watching the entirety of every match of both free streams.
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On March 25 2012 21:05 ragnorr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 21:03 MadNeSs wrote:What happened to Stephano? Hasnt he even made i out of the OB? . Lost to Polt in winners bracket and to inori in losers bracket. Guess the TSL players have his number!
Damn koreans!
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On March 25 2012 21:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 20:37 zocktol wrote:On March 25 2012 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 25 2012 19:53 ragnorr wrote:On March 25 2012 19:47 Sr18 wrote:On March 25 2012 19:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This seems to be a pretty cheesy tournament... Heart basically lives because he knows the 1/1/1. Ostojiy apparently all ins 2/3 of his games which provokes countercheese (by Demuslim for example), YaTa cheesed his way through people like Destiny, Crazymoving has shown his share of all ins, Parting vs Rain was two all ins just like a whole lot of other series and so on... I dunno, haven't been the prettiest games so far. Best series was Oz vs aLive imo. From the side of the players coming from the open bracket it makes sense to opt for plenty of 1- or 2-base all-ins. They have to win so many games to even reach the pools/championship bracket, that any player would get severely fatiqued if they would only play for longer games. Taken into account the amount of games and series that Heart had to win to even reach pool-play, his 5-0 in the pools is very impressive to me, regardless of how he won those series. He did show decent macro play as well, such as his game vs socke and his games vs ret. some just judge players based on the fact he won against huk with a 1/1/1 -_- Two 1/1/1s. His TvP consists of two builds: the 1/1/1 and this reactored 2 rax thing. If he plays standard vs Socke that's... cool? But he's beating people who are better than him just by cheesing. I myself would rather watch a HuK vs DRG semifinals because the games would probably be better. Heart's only chance to beat DRG is to cheese him to death while HuK would put up a better fight. So one semifinal series will probably be unattractive already just because Heart knows how to cheese... great. And then you have Parting vs MKP which could be a GSL final series. That's the kind of game I wanna see, not some cheese / one sided slaughter. So cheesing invalidates winning, or is cheese just so easy that everyone can win against a professional Protoss using that build? And how can you draw conclusions, how is TvZ is from his TvP? And why is cheese boring to watch? The series between Huk and DRG at Winter arena were not even close. DRG just walked over Huk and it was not even close in my opinion. Just relax and enjoy the show, instead of trying to make Heart the worst player there ever was, who is destroying your enjoyment of the game. It's not his cheese that makes him a less skilled player, it's his macro games that show it. So he beat Socke and Ret. Ret has been tilted the whole weekend and Socke is pretty inconsistent. I also have absolutely no interest in watching 1/1/1 bs all the time. It's just the way he plays against people he's apparently wary of. I know Heart's TvZ from the Up / Down matches and well... he cheeses. That's how he even got the spot there. He's not capable of playing standard games against people of Code A caliber and he's shown it, getting absolutely demolished by Bboongbboong, Squirtle and Keen. The one game he didn't cheese HuK, he lost super decisively. Well... DRG is the best ZvT player in the world, he's gonna roflstomp somebody who has to rely on cheese to even stand up to players like HuK. Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 20:53 Sea_aeS wrote:
Seriously how the fuck can you hate Heart for 1/1/1 and say that Huk is a better player when hes well known for being a basical all-inner.... ImO you re just a bisaed Huk fan I don't even follow HuK but he's certainly a higher level player than Heart. Watch their Up/Down matches and you'll see. HuK stood a chance in standard games while Heart got ripped apart when his cheese failed. I want the best player to win, not somebody who abuses all ins and gets demolished once they fail. Which is why I want MKP, Parting or DRG to take this.
Have you considered the possibility that Huk is playing risky opening which cuts corners such as 1-1-1, thus using 1-1-1 is a logical counter to this greedy type of play ?
When I watch polt moving 16 marines to Idra's expansion and ending the game right there since Idra didn't build any defense others than 6 zergling and 1 spinecrawler, I conclude that Idra plaid greedily, not that Polt cheesed.
Had Polt and Heart play a macro game, they would have been behind...
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On March 25 2012 21:13 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 21:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 25 2012 20:37 zocktol wrote:On March 25 2012 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 25 2012 19:53 ragnorr wrote:On March 25 2012 19:47 Sr18 wrote:On March 25 2012 19:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This seems to be a pretty cheesy tournament... Heart basically lives because he knows the 1/1/1. Ostojiy apparently all ins 2/3 of his games which provokes countercheese (by Demuslim for example), YaTa cheesed his way through people like Destiny, Crazymoving has shown his share of all ins, Parting vs Rain was two all ins just like a whole lot of other series and so on... I dunno, haven't been the prettiest games so far. Best series was Oz vs aLive imo. From the side of the players coming from the open bracket it makes sense to opt for plenty of 1- or 2-base all-ins. They have to win so many games to even reach the pools/championship bracket, that any player would get severely fatiqued if they would only play for longer games. Taken into account the amount of games and series that Heart had to win to even reach pool-play, his 5-0 in the pools is very impressive to me, regardless of how he won those series. He did show decent macro play as well, such as his game vs socke and his games vs ret. some just judge players based on the fact he won against huk with a 1/1/1 -_- Two 1/1/1s. His TvP consists of two builds: the 1/1/1 and this reactored 2 rax thing. If he plays standard vs Socke that's... cool? But he's beating people who are better than him just by cheesing. I myself would rather watch a HuK vs DRG semifinals because the games would probably be better. Heart's only chance to beat DRG is to cheese him to death while HuK would put up a better fight. So one semifinal series will probably be unattractive already just because Heart knows how to cheese... great. And then you have Parting vs MKP which could be a GSL final series. That's the kind of game I wanna see, not some cheese / one sided slaughter. So cheesing invalidates winning, or is cheese just so easy that everyone can win against a professional Protoss using that build? And how can you draw conclusions, how is TvZ is from his TvP? And why is cheese boring to watch? The series between Huk and DRG at Winter arena were not even close. DRG just walked over Huk and it was not even close in my opinion. Just relax and enjoy the show, instead of trying to make Heart the worst player there ever was, who is destroying your enjoyment of the game. It's not his cheese that makes him a less skilled player, it's his macro games that show it. So he beat Socke and Ret. Ret has been tilted the whole weekend and Socke is pretty inconsistent. I also have absolutely no interest in watching 1/1/1 bs all the time. It's just the way he plays against people he's apparently wary of. I know Heart's TvZ from the Up / Down matches and well... he cheeses. That's how he even got the spot there. He's not capable of playing standard games against people of Code A caliber and he's shown it, getting absolutely demolished by Bboongbboong, Squirtle and Keen. The one game he didn't cheese HuK, he lost super decisively. Well... DRG is the best ZvT player in the world, he's gonna roflstomp somebody who has to rely on cheese to even stand up to players like HuK. On March 25 2012 20:53 Sea_aeS wrote:
Seriously how the fuck can you hate Heart for 1/1/1 and say that Huk is a better player when hes well known for being a basical all-inner.... ImO you re just a bisaed Huk fan I don't even follow HuK but he's certainly a higher level player than Heart. Watch their Up/Down matches and you'll see. HuK stood a chance in standard games while Heart got ripped apart when his cheese failed. I want the best player to win, not somebody who abuses all ins and gets demolished once they fail. Which is why I want MKP, Parting or DRG to take this. Have you considered the possibility that Huk is playing risky opening which cuts corners such as 1-1-1, thus using 1-1-1 is a logical counter to this greedy type of play ? When I watch polt moving 16 marines to Idra's expansion and ending the game right there since Idra didn't build any defense others than 6 zergling and 1 spinecrawler, I conclude that Idra plaid greedily, not that Polt cheesed. Had Polt and Heart play a macro game, they would have been behind...
Heart didn't even scout Huk in game 3. He had no idea what Huk was doing. Inori didn't cut corners and Heart still cheesed him out. I've seen a lot of Heart's games by now. It's got nothing to do with trying to keep up in macro, he's not even interested in that. I just absolutely hate the way he plays, because he doesn't just use cheese once or twice for mindgame purposes, but because it's the only thing he's good at (at least from what I've seen) and that just doesn't deserve to be in the top 4 spots alongside monsters like DRG, MKP and PartinG.
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On March 25 2012 21:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 20:37 zocktol wrote:On March 25 2012 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 25 2012 19:53 ragnorr wrote:On March 25 2012 19:47 Sr18 wrote:On March 25 2012 19:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This seems to be a pretty cheesy tournament... Heart basically lives because he knows the 1/1/1. Ostojiy apparently all ins 2/3 of his games which provokes countercheese (by Demuslim for example), YaTa cheesed his way through people like Destiny, Crazymoving has shown his share of all ins, Parting vs Rain was two all ins just like a whole lot of other series and so on... I dunno, haven't been the prettiest games so far. Best series was Oz vs aLive imo. From the side of the players coming from the open bracket it makes sense to opt for plenty of 1- or 2-base all-ins. They have to win so many games to even reach the pools/championship bracket, that any player would get severely fatiqued if they would only play for longer games. Taken into account the amount of games and series that Heart had to win to even reach pool-play, his 5-0 in the pools is very impressive to me, regardless of how he won those series. He did show decent macro play as well, such as his game vs socke and his games vs ret. some just judge players based on the fact he won against huk with a 1/1/1 -_- Two 1/1/1s. His TvP consists of two builds: the 1/1/1 and this reactored 2 rax thing. If he plays standard vs Socke that's... cool? But he's beating people who are better than him just by cheesing. I myself would rather watch a HuK vs DRG semifinals because the games would probably be better. Heart's only chance to beat DRG is to cheese him to death while HuK would put up a better fight. So one semifinal series will probably be unattractive already just because Heart knows how to cheese... great. And then you have Parting vs MKP which could be a GSL final series. That's the kind of game I wanna see, not some cheese / one sided slaughter. So cheesing invalidates winning, or is cheese just so easy that everyone can win against a professional Protoss using that build? And how can you draw conclusions, how is TvZ is from his TvP? And why is cheese boring to watch? The series between Huk and DRG at Winter arena were not even close. DRG just walked over Huk and it was not even close in my opinion. Just relax and enjoy the show, instead of trying to make Heart the worst player there ever was, who is destroying your enjoyment of the game. It's not his cheese that makes him a less skilled player, it's his macro games that show it. So he beat Socke and Ret. Ret has been tilted the whole weekend and Socke is pretty inconsistent. I also have absolutely no interest in watching 1/1/1 bs all the time. It's just the way he plays against people he's apparently wary of. I know Heart's TvZ from the Up / Down matches and well... he cheeses. That's how he even got the spot there. He's not capable of playing standard games against people of Code A caliber and he's shown it, getting absolutely demolished by Bboongbboong, Squirtle and Keen. The one game he didn't cheese HuK, he lost super decisively. Well... DRG is the best ZvT player in the world, he's gonna roflstomp somebody who has to rely on cheese to even stand up to players like HuK. Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 20:53 Sea_aeS wrote:
Seriously how the fuck can you hate Heart for 1/1/1 and say that Huk is a better player when hes well known for being a basical all-inner.... ImO you re just a bisaed Huk fan I don't even follow HuK but he's certainly a higher level player than Heart. Watch their Up/Down matches and you'll see. HuK stood a chance in standard games while Heart got ripped apart when his cheese failed. I want the best player to win, not somebody who abuses all ins and gets demolished once they fail. Which is why I want MKP, Parting or DRG to take this.
And yet Huk is one of the cheesiest players in the world.
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16 Koreans
3 Swedes
1 Dutch
1 German
1 Canadian
1 American
1 British
.. left in the competition
.. It's just insane ..
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On March 25 2012 21:31 TeveT wrote:
16 Koreans
3 Swedes
1 Dutch
1 German
1 Canadian
1 American
1 British
.. left in the competition
.. It's just insane ..
And MMA, MVP, Nestea, Genius, Bomber, Curious, Leenock, Gumiho, Jjakji, Oz, Puzzle, Hero, Taeja, ForGG and Supernova didn't even come.
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Sweden is balling hard, lol. I wonder if any foreigners can make it through to the Championship Bracket...
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Can anybody please tell me when day 3 is starting? I can't seem to find the schedule. All I'm seeing is that the even is from march 24-26, nothing about exact times.
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So when is the post for day 3 coming? :o)
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On March 25 2012 21:37 Lord_Maximus wrote:
Can anybody please tell me when day 3 is starting? I can't seem to find the schedule. All I'm seeing is that the even is from march 24-26, nothing about exact times.
Teamliquid.net - look to the right its not so hard
Upcoming events: [ More ]
19m [KSL] Prime vs Fxo
1h 19m MLG Columbus Day 3
3h 19m [SPL] English Rebr…
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On March 25 2012 21:37 Lord_Maximus wrote:
Can anybody please tell me when day 3 is starting? I can't seem to find the schedule. All I'm seeing is that the even is from march 24-26, nothing about exact times.
In 1 hour 15 mins
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On March 25 2012 21:42 zYwi3c wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 21:37 Lord_Maximus wrote:
Can anybody please tell me when day 3 is starting? I can't seem to find the schedule. All I'm seeing is that the even is from march 24-26, nothing about exact times. In 1 hour 15 mins
Cool, thanks.
On March 25 2012 21:42 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 21:37 Lord_Maximus wrote:
Can anybody please tell me when day 3 is starting? I can't seem to find the schedule. All I'm seeing is that the even is from march 24-26, nothing about exact times. Show nested quote +Teamliquid.net - look to the right its not so hard
Upcoming events: [ More ]
19m [KSL] Prime vs Fxo
1h 19m MLG Columbus Day 3
3h 19m [SPL] English Rebr…
I forgot about that, thanks.
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On March 25 2012 20:41 TXN wrote:
Does anyone else have a problem with day9 constantly repeating 'I am day9" before and after every map ? I am probably being unreasonable but I tend to avoid the stream he is casting because of that (and his overall narcissism),I don't know why it just irritates me.
I think it's tiresome, but I just mute the stream as soon as a game ends, then tab back after a few minutes.
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Actually, I think the Terran 1-1-1s nowadays are more a response to Ps getting sentry heavy compositions. Huk only had 3 stalkers to defend his base. The sentries basically hard counter all bio and buys the Ps enough time to get colossi or storm. And P can also immortal bust with a high sentry count vs greedy Ts. So you see a lot more T going banshees (which basically means 1-1-1) or tank marine push. In the current meta game, T don't want to have to deal with AoE of P. they can still win if they get the perfect engage with a really good comp but the margin for error is so slime.
Basically, Ts haves to punish Ps who go heavy sentries or they will be playing from a disadvantage.
Also, Oz did come.
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