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+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2012 13:46 Xeris wrote:Hello! Due to the potential drama that this Grand Finals match may stir up in the community. I feel it is necessary to make a statement regarding the match so that there will be no misunderstanding of the situation. First, I will outline some basic information about the NASTL playoff week, and then explain what happened from my (as a neutral 3rd party and league administrator) perspective. This will hopefully help explain the decision to play the ace match Wednesday morning and that, given the unfortunate circumstances for both teams, was the fairest possible solution. This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party. General Background Information- We flew in iNcontroL for the week to cast the finals
- The studio closed down Wednesday afternoon to install and set up new equipment to get ready for season 3
- Therefore, we had a hard deadline of wednesday morning, which teams were notified well in advance
- NASTL rules have server changes in order to promote fairness, games are played on all servers: NA, EU, and KR
Info About the match- Liquid selected HerO as their ace knowing it would be late for him in korea
- Mouz selected ThorZaiN as their ace despite the fact that he had other obligations (showmatch vs sheth at the time)
- Because of this, Mouz was unable to play the ace when the score was tied 2-2 (Thorzain was playing other games)
- Due to delays it was unable to be played on tuesday: Liquid rightly asked to push it back since it was pushing 4am in Korea and the match had yet started. Wednesday morning was the last time available to play
- A four hour time window was given, Mouz selected 11am EST to play
- I contacted the Redbull LAN staff and they cleared time and space for him to play this match
- NASTL rules would have given Liquid server advantage in the ace, but to be more fair, both teams agreed to do server swap in between each game, and the starting server was chosen by coin flip (which Liquid won)
- We understand the situation was far from ideal for both parties (thorzain had to play from the red bull tournament, hero had to play at 3am) - but this was literally the last time available to play the match
- We believe that this was the best and most fair solution (playing wednesday morning, server changing, coin flip to decide start map) given the circumstances
We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal. - Xeris
Thank you for this quick statement. This really clears up the misunderstandings that we viewers had.
Side note: Can people seriously just use spoiler tags or something instead of quoting the whole post? It makes it more difficult to scroll through the page.
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On March 19 2012 13:50 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:45 NASL.tv wrote:Hello! Due to the potential drama that this Grand Finals match may stir up in the community. I feel it is necessary to make a statement regarding the match so that there will be no misunderstanding of the situation. First, I will outline some basic information about the NASTL playoff week. This will hopefully help explain the decision to play the ace match Wednesday morning and that, given the unfortunate circumstances for both teams, was the fairest possible solution. This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party. General Background Information- We flew in iNcontroL for the week to cast the finals
- The studio closed down Wednesday afternoon to install and set up new equipment to get ready for season 3
- Therefore, we had a hard deadline of wednesday morning, which teams were notified well in advance
- NASTL rules have server changes in order to promote fairness, games are played on all servers: NA, EU, and KR
Info About the match- Liquid selected HerO as their ace knowing it would be late for him in korea
- Mouz selected ThorZaiN as their ace despite the fact that he had other obligations (showmatch vs sheth at the time)
- Because of this, Mouz was unable to play the ace when the score was tied 2-2 (Thorzain was playing other games)
- Due to delays it was unable to be played on tuesday: Liquid rightly asked to push it back since it was pushing 4am in Korea and the match had yet started. Wednesday morning was the last time available to play
- A four hour time window was given, Mouz selected 11am EST to play
- I contacted the Redbull LAN staff and they cleared time and space for him to play this match
- NASTL rules would have given Liquid server advantage in the ace, but to be more fair, both teams agreed to do server swap in between each game, and the starting server was chosen by coin flip (which Liquid won)
- We understand the situation was far from ideal for both parties (thorzain had to play from the red bull tournament, hero had to play at 3am) - but this was literally the last time available to play the match
- We believe that this was the best and most fair solution (playing wednesday morning, server changing, coin flip to decide start map) given the circumstances
We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal. - Xeris So in other words this entire setup was actually more to accomodate Mouz than Liquid, due to Thorzain playing other matches when he was suppose to be available for the ace match. The server was coin-flip for the first match and then alternated each game. NASTL was more than fair, and Liquid had NOTHING to do with it. Thorzain was just being very bad manner . . . he really should apologize.
For what, for venting ? You people really love drama and want apologies for everything. If that was very BM I am a pope.
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On March 19 2012 13:40 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:39 FeyFey wrote:
lol all the time not on the korean server and then suddenly the ace match on korean server? that sucks for mouz so i understand that reaction.
grats to tl and mouz for first and second. I believe there is a statement coming from liquid, thorzains statements didn't reflect what went down.
I am curious about that so yay for a statement even if its not necessary, but since it was played it seems to have been okay for both teams (or no other choice given by the admins). But i think its okay to get upset like this in a team game, when the whole victory of the time lies on your shoulders and you lose because there was something making you not play to your best abilities, know this myself quiet well. I am just happy my two favorite teams came so far.
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Ya after the official NASL statement, it doesn't seem necessary for Liquid to even make a statement.
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Interesting, this should make future Mouz-TL matches much more interesting. A rivalry grows
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On March 19 2012 13:48 ninjamyst wrote:
Thanks Xeris for clearing that up. Lost a lot of respect for Thorzain...
Could you quantify exactly how much respect youve lost?...
Im sure Thorzain would find the data usefull....
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On March 19 2012 13:49 Xeris wrote:
I don't think anyone should think any less of Thorzain. He was obviously upset. He lost games, had to play with jet lag and on different settings than he's used to at home. I would be frustrated too.
It was a bad situation for both parties.
Makes sense. It's unfortunate that it happened this way but I understand his anger.
Either way, I don't think this small bit of drama should overshadow TL's victory here. Very well-played!
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I'd be interested in seeing what Thorzain in particular has to say about this, because
1) From NASL's statement, there is essentially no way to find even the slightest bit of fault for TL
and
2) I can't imagine anyone - and Thorzain in particular - simply making up a complaint to throw out as BM.
Based on this, I have to assume there is at least something specific that prompted Thorzain's complaint. I can imagine it may have been simply a misunderstanding on his part - perhaps he thought it was a matter of TL's choice and not NASL's situation. Perhaps it was not a misunderstanding, but something very minor which Thorzain blew out of proportion in his anger. Whatever it was, there must have been at least something which would at least make sense - even if it is an invalid complaint or something unjustified. I'm curious, in other words, what exactly it is that Thorzain was referring to.
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United States22883 Posts
What a great day of SC2. :D Thank you, NASL.
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On March 19 2012 13:53 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:50 SCST wrote:On March 19 2012 13:45 NASL.tv wrote:Hello! Due to the potential drama that this Grand Finals match may stir up in the community. I feel it is necessary to make a statement regarding the match so that there will be no misunderstanding of the situation. First, I will outline some basic information about the NASTL playoff week. This will hopefully help explain the decision to play the ace match Wednesday morning and that, given the unfortunate circumstances for both teams, was the fairest possible solution. This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party. General Background Information- We flew in iNcontroL for the week to cast the finals
- The studio closed down Wednesday afternoon to install and set up new equipment to get ready for season 3
- Therefore, we had a hard deadline of wednesday morning, which teams were notified well in advance
- NASTL rules have server changes in order to promote fairness, games are played on all servers: NA, EU, and KR
Info About the match- Liquid selected HerO as their ace knowing it would be late for him in korea
- Mouz selected ThorZaiN as their ace despite the fact that he had other obligations (showmatch vs sheth at the time)
- Because of this, Mouz was unable to play the ace when the score was tied 2-2 (Thorzain was playing other games)
- Due to delays it was unable to be played on tuesday: Liquid rightly asked to push it back since it was pushing 4am in Korea and the match had yet started. Wednesday morning was the last time available to play
- A four hour time window was given, Mouz selected 11am EST to play
- I contacted the Redbull LAN staff and they cleared time and space for him to play this match
- NASTL rules would have given Liquid server advantage in the ace, but to be more fair, both teams agreed to do server swap in between each game, and the starting server was chosen by coin flip (which Liquid won)
- We understand the situation was far from ideal for both parties (thorzain had to play from the red bull tournament, hero had to play at 3am) - but this was literally the last time available to play the match
- We believe that this was the best and most fair solution (playing wednesday morning, server changing, coin flip to decide start map) given the circumstances
We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal. - Xeris So in other words this entire setup was actually more to accomodate Mouz than Liquid, due to Thorzain playing other matches when he was suppose to be available for the ace match. The server was coin-flip for the first match and then alternated each game. NASTL was more than fair, and Liquid had NOTHING to do with it. Thorzain was just being very bad manner . . . he really should apologize. For what, for venting ? You people really love drama and want apologies for everything. If that was very BM I am a pope.
People apparently thrive on Drama.. just look at how popular celebrity & reality TV culture is in the USA at the very least. I dunno how bad it is in Europe.
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On March 19 2012 13:54 RedBack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:48 ninjamyst wrote:
Thanks Xeris for clearing that up. Lost a lot of respect for Thorzain... Could you quantify exactly how much respect youve lost?... Im sure Thorzain would find the data usefull....
.4 respects
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:53 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:40 Plexa wrote:On March 19 2012 13:39 FeyFey wrote:
lol all the time not on the korean server and then suddenly the ace match on korean server? that sucks for mouz so i understand that reaction.
grats to tl and mouz for first and second. I believe there is a statement coming from liquid, thorzains statements didn't reflect what went down. I am curious about that so yay for a statement even if its not necessary, but since it was played it seems to have been okay for both teams (or no other choice given by the admins). But i think its okay to get upset like this in a team game, when the whole victory of the time lies on your shoulders and you lose because there was something making you not play to your best abilities, know this myself quiet well. I am just happy my two favorite teams came so far.
Yeah, a statement is unnecessary at this point.
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On March 19 2012 13:48 ninjamyst wrote:
Thanks Xeris for clearing that up. Lost a lot of respect for Thorzain...
Maybe Thorzain was misinformed.
I have never seen him raging before.
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it was one BM people should settle down and quit trying to find another SC2-Drama related problem with every BM and RAGE this isnt jersey shore for crying out loud
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On March 19 2012 13:53 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:50 SCST wrote:On March 19 2012 13:45 NASL.tv wrote:Hello! Due to the potential drama that this Grand Finals match may stir up in the community. I feel it is necessary to make a statement regarding the match so that there will be no misunderstanding of the situation. First, I will outline some basic information about the NASTL playoff week. This will hopefully help explain the decision to play the ace match Wednesday morning and that, given the unfortunate circumstances for both teams, was the fairest possible solution. This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party. General Background Information- We flew in iNcontroL for the week to cast the finals
- The studio closed down Wednesday afternoon to install and set up new equipment to get ready for season 3
- Therefore, we had a hard deadline of wednesday morning, which teams were notified well in advance
- NASTL rules have server changes in order to promote fairness, games are played on all servers: NA, EU, and KR
Info About the match- Liquid selected HerO as their ace knowing it would be late for him in korea
- Mouz selected ThorZaiN as their ace despite the fact that he had other obligations (showmatch vs sheth at the time)
- Because of this, Mouz was unable to play the ace when the score was tied 2-2 (Thorzain was playing other games)
- Due to delays it was unable to be played on tuesday: Liquid rightly asked to push it back since it was pushing 4am in Korea and the match had yet started. Wednesday morning was the last time available to play
- A four hour time window was given, Mouz selected 11am EST to play
- I contacted the Redbull LAN staff and they cleared time and space for him to play this match
- NASTL rules would have given Liquid server advantage in the ace, but to be more fair, both teams agreed to do server swap in between each game, and the starting server was chosen by coin flip (which Liquid won)
- We understand the situation was far from ideal for both parties (thorzain had to play from the red bull tournament, hero had to play at 3am) - but this was literally the last time available to play the match
- We believe that this was the best and most fair solution (playing wednesday morning, server changing, coin flip to decide start map) given the circumstances
We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal. - Xeris So in other words this entire setup was actually more to accomodate Mouz than Liquid, due to Thorzain playing other matches when he was suppose to be available for the ace match. The server was coin-flip for the first match and then alternated each game. NASTL was more than fair, and Liquid had NOTHING to do with it. Thorzain was just being very bad manner . . . he really should apologize. For what, for venting ? You people really love drama and want apologies for everything. If that was very BM I am a pope.
Yes, for venting. Professionals don't need to vent. Just say: "gg" and leave. By being a bitch at the end of a game you disrespect your opponent and make them (and their fans) focus on your whining rather than a well-deserved victory.
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On March 19 2012 13:56 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:48 ninjamyst wrote:
Thanks Xeris for clearing that up. Lost a lot of respect for Thorzain... Maybe Thorzain was misinformed. I have never seen him raging before. I think so too - he probably didn't know the details of the arrangement, as he was busy with other events, jet lag etc.
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
Thank you to Xeris and NASL for giving information so quickly. Of all your production, the team league is definitely the one I have enjoyed the most overall.
And just happy for Liquid. Is nice to be emotionally invested in a team ten years after I stopped watching soccer.
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Man, it's hard to be a fan of both TL and Mouz with all of this shit going down =/ Rivalry brewing.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Everything is super busy all the time, it's really hard to schedule games to be played, and sometimes they need to be played at awkward times or in awkward situations. That's just the way it is, and there's nothing wrong or right about it. No hard feelings towards ThorZaIN from me, he's an excellent player, and so is HerO!
Oh and... yeeeeaaaaaahhhh 2012 Year of Liquid!!!
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