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[NASTL] FINALS Mouz vs Liquid

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NASL Statement on the Ace Match:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13983381
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 04:49:56
March 18 2012 17:07 GMT
#1
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North American Star Team League
(Wiki)North American Star Team League
1st Place Match


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Date: Monday, Mar 19 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

EU Rebroadcast: Monday, Mar 19 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Watch It Live!



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- Best of 5
-- 4 BO3 1v1s (Updated for playoffs)
-- If tied after all 4 games there is a BO5 Ace Match (Updated for FINALS)
- Players are picked before the match is started and picked based on the given map
- 7 Week Season
- Top 4 are seeded into Playoffs


Playoff Schedule
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March 15th: FXO vs Liquid (Semi-Finals Match #1)
March 16th: Empire vs Mouz (Semi-Finals Match #2)
March 17th: 3rd Place Match
March 18th: Finals


Casted by GoSuGretorp and EGiNcontroL

1st Place: $6,000

2nd Place: $3,000

3rd Place: $1,000

4th Place: A Rock


Map Pool
The Shattered Temple
TPW Artifice
ESV Ohana
TPW Damage Inc
TPW Odyssey
NASL Antiga Shipyard
GSL Daybreak
Bel'Shir Beach Winter
Tal'Darim Altar



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#3 Mouz (5-2) vs #1 Liquid (6-1)


Match 1

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[image loading] (Z)MorroW < Tal'Darim Altar > [image loading] (P)HerO
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[image loading] (Z)MorroW < Tal'Darim Altar > [image loading] (P)HerO
[image loading] (Z)MorroW < Bel'Shir Beach Winter > [image loading] (P)HerO


(Z)MorroW 0-2 (Z)HerO



Match 2

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[image loading] (T)ThorZaIN < The Shattered Temple > [image loading] (Z)Zenio
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[image loading] (T)ThorZaIN < The Shattered Temple > [image loading] (Z)Zenio
[image loading] (T)ThorZaIN < Daybreak > [image loading] (Z)Zenio

(T)ThorZaIN 2-0 (Z)Zenio



Match 3

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[image loading] (P)MaNa < ESV Ohana RE > [image loading] (Z)Ret
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[image loading] (P)MaNa < ESV Ohana RE > [image loading] (Z)Ret
[image loading] (P)MaNa < Daybreak > [image loading] (Z)Ret
[image loading] (P)MaNa < Tal'Darim Altar > [image loading] (Z)Ret

(P)MaNa 2-1 (Z)Ret



Match 4

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[image loading] (P)HasuObs < Bel'Shir Beach Winter > [image loading] (Z)Sheth
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[image loading] (P)HasuObs < Bel'Shir Beach Winter > [image loading] (Z)Sheth
[image loading] (P)HasuObs < Tal'Darim Altar > [image loading] (Z)Sheth


(P)HasuObs 0-2 (Z)Sheth




Ace Match (If Applicable)

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(T)ThorZaIN < Daybreak > (P)HerO
(T)ThorZaIN < Loser's Pick > (P)HerO
(T)ThorZaIN < Loser's Pick > (P)HerO
(T)ThorZaIN < Loser's Pick > (P)HerO
(T)ThorZaIN < Loser's Pick > (P)HerO
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(T)ThorZaIN < Daybreak > (P)HerO
(T)ThorZaIN < The Shattered Temple > (P)HerO
(T)ThorZaIN < Bel'Shir Beach Winter > (P)HerO


(T)ThorZaIN 0-3 (P)HerO




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Poll: Who Will Win?

Liquid (130)
 
60%

Mouz (88)
 
40%

218 total votes

Your vote: Who Will Win?

(Vote): Mouz
(Vote): Liquid


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(Z)MorroW 0-2 (Z)HerO
(T)ThorZaIN 2-0 (Z)Zenio
(P)MaNa 2-1 (Z)Ret
(P)HasuObs 0-2 (Z)Sheth
Ace Match
(T)ThorZaIN 0-3 (P)HerO

Mouz 2-3 Liquid

+ Show Spoiler [Statement About Thorzain In Ace Match…] +

Hello! Due to the potential drama that this Grand Finals match may stir up in the community. I feel it is necessary to make a statement regarding the match so that there will be no misunderstanding of the situation. First, I will outline some basic information about the NASTL playoff week. This will hopefully help explain the decision to play the ace match Wednesday morning and that, given the unfortunate circumstances for both teams, was the fairest possible solution.

This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party.


General Background Information
  • We flew in iNcontroL for the week to cast the finals
  • The studio closed down Wednesday afternoon to install and set up new equipment to get ready for season 3
  • Therefore, we had a hard deadline of wednesday morning, which teams were notified well in advance
  • NASTL rules have server changes in order to promote fairness, games are played on all servers: NA, EU, and KR

Info About the match
  • Liquid selected HerO as their ace knowing it would be late for him in korea
  • Mouz selected ThorZaiN as their ace despite the fact that he had other obligations (showmatch vs sheth at the time)
  • Because of this, Mouz was unable to play the ace when the score was tied 2-2 (Thorzain was playing other games)
  • Due to delays it was unable to be played on tuesday: Liquid rightly asked to push it back since it was pushing 4am in Korea and the match had yet started. Wednesday morning was the last time available to play
  • A four hour time window was given, Mouz selected 11am EST to play
  • I contacted the Redbull LAN staff and they cleared time and space for him to play this match
  • NASTL rules would have given Liquid server advantage in the ace, but to be more fair, both teams agreed to do server swap in between each game, and the starting server was chosen by coin flip (which Liquid won)
  • We understand the situation was far from ideal for both parties (thorzain had to play from the red bull tournament, hero had to play at 3am) - but this was literally the last time available to play the match
  • We believe that this was the best and most fair solution (playing wednesday morning, server changing, coin flip to decide start map) given the circumstances


We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal.

- Xeris




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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 18 2012 17:13 GMT
#2
This could easily go to an ace match, likely with Hero, Thorzain, Mana and Sheth winning.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
pewpew444
Profile Joined May 2011
United States121 Posts
March 18 2012 17:15 GMT
#3
Go Liquid'!
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
March 18 2012 17:17 GMT
#4
I predict Hero beats MorroW 2-1
Zenio has some trouble vs terran, but ThorZaIN has trouble vs zerg, I think a 2-1 ThorZaIN wins.
Ret vs Mana is kind of a hard one, I think it'll be a 2-1 either can win.
Sheth will beat HasuObs I feel. I want to say 2-0 but I think HasuObs always makes big upsets so he might take it.

Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
Cantro
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada117 Posts
March 18 2012 17:23 GMT
#5
LIQUID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
March 18 2012 17:25 GMT
#6
Mouz could not have asked for better maychups imo and I think they will take it.
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
March 18 2012 17:26 GMT
#7
this kinda sucks...they are doing the matchups they JUST got better for at Red Bull LAN...except hero/morrow...

kinda lame :\
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
March 18 2012 17:27 GMT
#8
meh I think Mouz can take this....
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2972 Posts
March 18 2012 17:32 GMT
#9
Calling it now.
Morrow < Hero
Thorzain < Zenio
Mana > Ret
Hasu > Sheth
Ace: Thorzain > Hero

3-2 Mouz
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
March 18 2012 17:33 GMT
#10
The perfect final imo and it could go either way.
fcgog
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom876 Posts
March 18 2012 17:34 GMT
#11
liquids to lose imo as theirs no way hero or ret are gonna lose to morow and mana
drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
March 18 2012 17:35 GMT
#12
Looks like Mouz got really unlucky with this one, all of their players in their worst match-ups...
I'm probably being ironic
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
March 18 2012 17:36 GMT
#13
Morrow < Hero
Thorzain > Zenio
Mana > Ret
Hasu < Sheth

ace could be anyone vs anyone really, so it all depends on that imo
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2972 Posts
March 18 2012 17:37 GMT
#14
On March 19 2012 02:35 drbrown wrote:
Looks like Mouz got really unlucky with this one, all of their players in their worst match-ups...


I agree with this. I think Ret will beat Mana, but for some reason I got a weird gut feeling that Mana will magically pull the wins out of his ass, I hope they do go to Ace Match at least.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
March 18 2012 17:37 GMT
#15
Morrow < Hero
Thorzain > Zenio
Mana < Ret
Hasu > Sheth
Ace: Thorzain > Hero

3-2 Mouz
Cj hero | Zest
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 17:43:26
March 18 2012 17:42 GMT
#16
God this will be close, but I give Liquid the edge. A lot of PvZ too. Would not be surprised if Hero, Ret and Sheth take their matches and Liquid wins 3-1.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
March 18 2012 17:43 GMT
#17
The matchups and maps favor liquid a little, except for match 2. It's going to be awesome non-the less :D I hope for an ace match between Thorzain and Hero.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
March 18 2012 17:44 GMT
#18
Gogo Mouz, definitely winnable! =)
Roberi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden347 Posts
March 18 2012 17:44 GMT
#19
Man, this will be close I think. Go mousesports!
A fan of ThorZaIN, MorroW, NaNiwa and SaSe. Sweden Fighting! /// @rob_eri
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
March 18 2012 17:46 GMT
#20
These teams are evenly matched and I like both teams, I can't call it.
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
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