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NASL Statement on the Ace Match:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13983381
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
March 19 2012 04:40 GMT
#261
Behalf of teamliquid: You're welcome thorzain. = P
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
March 19 2012 04:40 GMT
#262
On March 19 2012 13:38 figq wrote:
I can't recall ever seeing Thorzain saying something so bitter in chat upon losing. Interesting.

Ah well... Year of Liquid it is!

Incontrol has said on SotG (when discussing IdrA's bm light heartedly and jokingly) that Thorzain is secretly kind of bm an dgets quite upset over losses.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
March 19 2012 04:41 GMT
#263
Why would EU vs Korea play on korean server instead of NA server?
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
March 19 2012 04:41 GMT
#264
I don't understand why Thorzain is blaming Team Liquid? Since when does Team Liquid run NASTL and make the rules on servers etc? I have lost a ton of respect for him due to that BM.

Also, TL had players from Korea, Europe and USA in this tournament on different servers - server excuses don't fly here.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
March 19 2012 04:41 GMT
#265
Good Guy Incontrol, giving a passionate congratulations for Team Liquid's victory, despite a "rivalry" with his own team. : D
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
March 19 2012 04:41 GMT
#266
how did TL force thorizain to play? isn't this up to mouz wtf?
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
March 19 2012 04:42 GMT
#267
Don't know why Thorzain would bitch at TL, it's NASL rules. That's like saying "Damn Packers, thanks for making me play on your home field even though NFL rules made me. Your fault."

Then again, it was probably just sour grapes. Getting rolled 0-3 when your team is counting on your as ace for $6,000 in a team tournament (and especially after that game 3) can't feel good.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
March 19 2012 04:42 GMT
#268
Despite Thorzain's comments - what a day to be a liquid fan!

+ Show Spoiler [Red Bull Lan Spoiler] +
First watching Ret take out so many top tier protosses and now HerO closes out a great NASTL run! Amazing! Can't wait to see Liquid perform at MLG =D
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
March 19 2012 04:42 GMT
#269
I'm not excusing it completely, but at least he said "gg wp hero" at the very end. I think he's being genuine about that part.

I hope this blows over pretty quickly, though. Hero and Thorzain are both great players and have been great representatives for professional/competitive StarCraft 2 up till now
Plat Support Main #believe
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
March 19 2012 04:43 GMT
#270
so TL can choose the ace for Mouz :| I thought it was up to Mouz to choose their own ace
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
March 19 2012 04:44 GMT
#271
On March 19 2012 13:41 SCST wrote:
I don't understand why Thorzain is blaming Team Liquid? Since when does Team Liquid run NASTL and make the rules on servers etc? I have lost a ton of respect for him due to that BM.

I don't think all these games were played right after the other. They may have been played on separate days. What it sounds like is perhaps Thorzain is blaming TL for making him play immediately when called and pressuring him to go without any warm up? But it's all speculation at this point. I wouldn't be too surprised if Thorzain makes a public statement or tweet now retracting at least part of what he said "in the heat of the moment" (of game #3).
Plat Support Main #believe
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
March 19 2012 04:44 GMT
#272
Uhh, didn't he play vs Zenio too? or was the games not played on the same day?

Well, did not look like there was any bad feelings between Tzain and Liquid @ redbull lan, so no need for drama..
Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head
CardinalSC
Profile Joined January 2011
United States145 Posts
March 19 2012 04:45 GMT
#273
@Plexa, how soon will this statement be released? Im guessing these matches were played in advance and then recorded as inControl is at Lone Star Clash and Ret/Sheth were at Red Bull LAN.
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
March 19 2012 04:45 GMT
#274
On March 19 2012 13:43 Lennient wrote:
so TL can choose the ace for Mouz :| I thought it was up to Mouz to choose their own ace


No, TL did not choose the ace for Mouz lol. Where are you getting this crazy information?
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
March 19 2012 04:45 GMT
#275
if anybody can say what did thorzain end up saying?
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 04:48:37
March 19 2012 04:45 GMT
#276
+ Show Spoiler +

Hello! Due to the potential drama that this Grand Finals match may stir up in the community. I feel it is necessary to make a statement regarding the match so that there will be no misunderstanding of the situation. First, I will outline some basic information about the NASTL playoff week. This will hopefully help explain the decision to play the ace match Wednesday morning and that, given the unfortunate circumstances for both teams, was the fairest possible solution.

This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party.


General Background Information
  • We flew in iNcontroL for the week to cast the finals
  • The studio closed down Wednesday afternoon to install and set up new equipment to get ready for season 3
  • Therefore, we had a hard deadline of wednesday morning, which teams were notified well in advance
  • NASTL rules have server changes in order to promote fairness, games are played on all servers: NA, EU, and KR

Info About the match
  • Liquid selected HerO as their ace knowing it would be late for him in korea
  • Mouz selected ThorZaiN as their ace despite the fact that he had other obligations (showmatch vs sheth at the time)
  • Because of this, Mouz was unable to play the ace when the score was tied 2-2 (Thorzain was playing other games)
  • Due to delays it was unable to be played on tuesday: Liquid rightly asked to push it back since it was pushing 4am in Korea and the match had yet started. Wednesday morning was the last time available to play
  • A four hour time window was given, Mouz selected 11am EST to play
  • I contacted the Redbull LAN staff and they cleared time and space for him to play this match
  • NASTL rules would have given Liquid server advantage in the ace, but to be more fair, both teams agreed to do server swap in between each game, and the starting server was chosen by coin flip (which Liquid won)
  • We understand the situation was far from ideal for both parties (thorzain had to play from the red bull tournament, hero had to play at 3am) - but this was literally the last time available to play the match
  • We believe that this was the best and most fair solution (playing wednesday morning, server changing, coin flip to decide start map) given the circumstances


We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal.

- Xeris
Pocky52
Profile Joined November 2011
United States463 Posts
March 19 2012 04:45 GMT
#277
On March 19 2012 13:43 Lennient wrote:
so TL can choose the ace for Mouz :| I thought it was up to Mouz to choose their own ace

not the player, the time and server according to Thorzain. However Plexa said Liquid might be making a statement of explanation, for their side of the story
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
March 19 2012 04:46 GMT
#278
maybe TL said the match must be play at a certain time to accomodate korean timezone and schedule for HerO? Even so, Thorzain shouldn't b*tch about something after his team agreed to it. Sore loser...
Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
March 19 2012 04:46 GMT
#279
On March 19 2012 13:43 Lennient wrote:
so TL can choose the ace for Mouz :| I thought it was up to Mouz to choose their own ace


Don't be ridiculous. There's no way TL CHOSE Mouz's ace. In addition to having no precedent at all and not making any sense, do you really think they'd choose Thorzain in that situation?

I'm assuming Thorzain was referencing some kind of scheduling conflict or something. Just wait for TL's official statement please, before posting misleading comments like that.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
March 19 2012 04:46 GMT
#280
On March 19 2012 13:43 Lennient wrote:
so TL can choose the ace for Mouz :| I thought it was up to Mouz to choose their own ace

I think the point was not that they forced him specifically, but the time of the match. Of course that is what ThorZain is saying,how it was who knows.
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