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On March 16 2012 03:23 SayTT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 23:06 Geekachu wrote:
That cut to HuK leaving the studio was INCREDIBLY disrespectful of GOMTV. Hugely disappointed. what are you talking about? That was GREAT, I have nothing against HuK but that is the sort cuts that this game needs more of. Small things like that just builds the hype and tension and shows how much heart the players commit into this game. You see scenes like that all the time in all big sports.
Agree, thats a non written agreement its still a part of a competition show.
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damn this was a tough group
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On March 15 2012 23:00 Maghetti wrote:
Come to think of it out of all the many hours of forggs stream I have watched I have never seen him play mech vs mech. Always bio vs mech or mech vs bio...
This is GSL. You bust out builds that you don't show everyone on stream.
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On March 16 2012 03:22 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 01:55 Alryk wrote:On March 15 2012 06:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Virus for first place (I can dream right?)! Hahaha. Yes you can! Poor Huk  Yes poor Huk, dropping into Code B straight from Code S, being gifted an Up/Down seed and then dropping into Code A. Yes, poor poor Huk.
poor mc, drg, polt, sen, idra, etc falling out of code S and being "gifted" code S. Stop being fricking hypocrits.
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That's a terrible weird tiebreaker system. Why don't they do tiebreakers based on assuming all players are equal? I.E., go by the win/loss ratio.
Please don't insult my "loyalty" or "bias". Insult my idea instead, if you must insult.
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On March 16 2012 02:51 Canucklehead wrote:
Yes, virus for sickest nerd baller! So glad he won that last game! Huk deserves neither the up/down seed or code s. Rightfully, he should be code B. Glad forgg advanced as well. Hopefully, he can make up for his disappointing first code s run.
Huk is better than code B. Your trolling is sad. I guess everyone in SC2 needs the 14 year old haters though.
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On March 16 2012 03:39 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 03:22 Witten wrote:On March 16 2012 01:55 Alryk wrote:On March 15 2012 06:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Virus for first place (I can dream right?)! Hahaha. Yes you can! Poor Huk Yes poor Huk, dropping into Code B straight from Code S, being gifted an Up/Down seed and then dropping into Code A. Yes, poor poor Huk. poor mc, drg, polt, sen, idra, etc falling out of code S and being "gifted" code S. Stop being fricking hypocrits.
Well I agree entirely, none of those deserved to be gifted Code S.
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On March 15 2012 23:06 Geekachu wrote:
That cut to HuK leaving the studio was INCREDIBLY disrespectful of GOMTV. Hugely disappointed.
I feel the opposite. They're trying to create dramatic storylines with emotion so we feel for the players. We need to see players reacting to their wins/losses more if anything.
OGN actually cuts away from big battles to show the faces of the players.
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On March 16 2012 03:39 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 23:00 Maghetti wrote:
Come to think of it out of all the many hours of forggs stream I have watched I have never seen him play mech vs mech. Always bio vs mech or mech vs bio... This is GSL. You bust out builds that you don't show everyone on stream.
Seriously people will "analyze" if forgg threw it or not? Get into Forgg shoes first at that moment, i doubt he threw it deliberately, but also i doubt he played at 100% because no one would be able, you Cannot replicate the feeling of fighting on the edge if there is no edge. Thats not something you can control consciously. Im pretty sure forgg wanted to give everything he got at that moment, same as MC when Stephano was depending on him. To note forgg even mentioned he feel bad/bothered about the situation he lost because of huk.
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On March 16 2012 03:23 SayTT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 23:06 Geekachu wrote:
That cut to HuK leaving the studio was INCREDIBLY disrespectful of GOMTV. Hugely disappointed. what are you talking about? That was GREAT, I have nothing against HuK but that is the sort cuts that this game needs more of. Small things like that just builds the hype and tension and shows how much heart the players commit into this game. You see scenes like that all the time in all big sports.
I agree, you see footage like this in pro sports all the time, I felt sorry for HuK as it'd be tough to go through such an intense game like that as a helpless spectator and come out on the wrong side, but it was good camera work, adds a bit of emotion and drama.
Virus totally deserved to advance, his 3 wins were all very well done.
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On March 16 2012 03:39 Komentaja wrote:
That's a terrible weird tiebreaker system. Why don't they do tiebreakers based on assuming all players are equal? I.E., go by the win/loss ratio.
Different leagues have different tiebreakers. As long as everyone knows the ruling there should be no basis for complaint.
La Liga sorts out league positions if teams have the same points using head-to-head records, while the Premier League uses goal difference.
There is no completely fair way of doing anything, but imo I do believe that going by head-to-head is fairer than going into another round of tie-breaks (and also better than overall map win ratios in BOx's).
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On March 15 2012 22:37 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 22:36 ZenithM wrote:On March 15 2012 22:35 ichnaschekot wrote:On March 15 2012 22:33 Maghetti wrote:
Huk and ForGG live together so ForGG is likely to try hard to win this game. Plus Virus has terrible tvt and ForGG has badass killer tvt. Well, HuK lives at the SlayerS house now, so no. Afaik HuK is still living at the oGs house atm. He left oGs house when he left TL, he's with EG, at SlayerS
he was at EG house for a very short duration, he's been at OGS again for awhile.
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On March 16 2012 03:39 Komentaja wrote:
That's a terrible weird tiebreaker system. Why don't they do tiebreakers based on assuming all players are equal? I.E., go by the win/loss ratio.
Please don't insult my "loyalty" or "bias". Insult my idea instead, if you must insult.
Why would they go by win/loss ratio? They are not playing sets like the Ro16.
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On March 16 2012 03:39 Komentaja wrote:
That's a terrible weird tiebreaker system. Why don't they do tiebreakers based on assuming all players are equal? I.E., go by the win/loss ratio.
Please don't insult my "loyalty" or "bias". Insult my idea instead, if you must insult.
Nothing weird about it. Head-to-head is used in a lot of major sports as one of the higher priority tiebreakers. The NBA and NFL has head-to-head win % pretty high up there in the order of tiebreakers. Unfortunately HuK's only losts came from people he was tied against.
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fOrGG is housemates with HuK and has no connection to Virus so he obviously wanted to win to help HuK.
However, himself already being through to Code S may have affected his mentality and prevented him from playing his best. Also, Virus handled himself really well, we should be giving Virus some credit for winning. Virus definitely looked like the better player of the day.
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On March 16 2012 04:03 Zzoram wrote:
fOrGG is housemates with HuK and has no connection to Virus so he obviously wanted to win to help HuK.
However, himself already being through to Code S may have affected his mentality and prevented him from playing his best. Also, Virus handled himself really well, we should be giving Virus some credit for winning. Virus definitely looked like the better player of the day.
People don't realize how close the skillgap is between players that are not top top tier. And even them could lose to any korean progamer in a bo1. I didn't see the game but I can guarantee fOrGG didn't threw the game away, and it's unfortunate for HuK not being able to go to code S because of that but had he beat Virus he would have earned his spot safely.
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On March 16 2012 04:02 PureLuckz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 03:39 Komentaja wrote:
That's a terrible weird tiebreaker system. Why don't they do tiebreakers based on assuming all players are equal? I.E., go by the win/loss ratio.
Please don't insult my "loyalty" or "bias". Insult my idea instead, if you must insult. Nothing weird about it. Head-to-head is used in a lot of major sports as one of the higher priority tiebreakers. The NBA and NFL has head-to-head win % pretty high up there in the order of tiebreakers. Unfortunately HuK's only losts came from people he was tied against.
Just because it's used heavily does not mean it's a good system. Obvious parallels apply.
The reason I think it's weird is because it allows luck to be a factor. "Unfortunately" (let's say, unluckily) HuK lost against certain people. Therefore those people were valued as somehow better players than the others despite the only basis being a few isolated games that very hour. The situation becomes even more ridiculous when, say, two players are tied and are rated higher than the person that won the group, despite having lower W/L ratios and despite the fact that the winner of the group had already done better than the two tied players.
The more logical way to do a tiebreaker is to consider each person in the group as player X, and whoever has the best win percentage (i.e. whoever is the best player that day) among them against X (instead of against a person you happened to be tied with) is determined to be the best player, and advances. This may require more games.
It is the same system that Gom itself uses until people happen to become tied in score.
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On March 16 2012 03:39 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 03:22 Witten wrote:On March 16 2012 01:55 Alryk wrote:On March 15 2012 06:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Virus for first place (I can dream right?)! Hahaha. Yes you can! Poor Huk Yes poor Huk, dropping into Code B straight from Code S, being gifted an Up/Down seed and then dropping into Code A. Yes, poor poor Huk. poor mc, drg, polt, sen, idra, etc falling out of code S and being "gifted" code S. Stop being fricking hypocrits.
MC and DRG and even MMA don't really belong to that list... they've all been seeded to code S because of MLG results with korean competition and they have all been doing well there since then, MMA with 2 major gsl wins, DRG with one, MC smashing his way to round of 8... Idra and Sen were 100% undeserving, Polt is debatable (he belongs there but whether he deserves the seed or not is debatable), Huk simply doesn't deserve it, basically beating oz in his strongest matchup is the only thing he did to "deserve" it.
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On March 16 2012 04:19 Komentaja wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 04:02 PureLuckz wrote:On March 16 2012 03:39 Komentaja wrote:
That's a terrible weird tiebreaker system. Why don't they do tiebreakers based on assuming all players are equal? I.E., go by the win/loss ratio.
Please don't insult my "loyalty" or "bias". Insult my idea instead, if you must insult. Nothing weird about it. Head-to-head is used in a lot of major sports as one of the higher priority tiebreakers. The NBA and NFL has head-to-head win % pretty high up there in the order of tiebreakers. Unfortunately HuK's only losts came from people he was tied against. The reason I think it's weird is because it allows luck to be a factor. "Unfortunately" (let's say, unluckily) HuK lost against certain people. Therefore those people were valued as somehow better players than the others despite the only basis being a few isolated games that very hour. The situation becomes even more ridiculous when, say, two players are tied and are rated higher than the person that won the group, despite having lower W/L ratios and despite the fact that the winner of the group had already done better than the two tied players..
No, no, they have the same W/L ratio - that's why they're tied. Within that group of people who are tied - Virus and Fin had the higher "W/L" out of that group of people in the tiebreak because they both beat HuK.
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I don't really like the tie-breaker system either. Yeah they may have won over HuK, but they lost to players who did even worse and who HuK beat, so it's pretty even.
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