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On March 03 2012 20:11 R!! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:09 fant0m wrote:On March 03 2012 20:04 vthree wrote:
Well, you could say DRG is the best player currently but you could also say that for all GSL champs after they just won their GSL. I think we have to remember this is the first GSL that DRG has done well in although he has had great GSTL and foreign results.
I don't think we currently have one dominate player at the moment like during MC, then Nestea, then MVP eras. Several players are all very close to each other like DRG, MMA, MKP, Nestea, Parting, MVP and many others. So the major tornaments coming up will be very interesting with GSL S2, mlg Columbus, iem world championships, iron squid, ipl4. If someone manages to win or get to finals to 2-3 of these, then maybe we will have one dominate player again. Definitely can't say that at the moment. The thing about 2011 in SC2 is that it wasn't just "MC, Nestea, MVP", it was more like Nestea->MC->MVP->MC->Nestea->MVP. They were so good, and it wasn't just 1 era each where they rose up for a few months. Even if they fell off a bit, they came back and started dominating again (well, Nestea and MVP at least). MVP was definetely the one that was considered the best player for the most part of the year, and dare I say, SC2's life.
What about the time when he was in Code A? Oooo...
Nestea was also considered the best player while Mvp was down in Code A. Only reason Mvp was perceived as better was because he kept beating Nestea.
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On March 03 2012 20:11 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:07 R!! wrote:On March 03 2012 20:05 snotboogie wrote:On March 03 2012 20:04 -TesteR- wrote:On March 03 2012 19:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:54 DirtyCash wrote:On March 03 2012 19:47 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:46 DirtyCash wrote:
the archon trying to sell us everything as "the best ever" is getting old fast That's exactly what they should be doing. I'm not sure where to start. Do you watch traditionnal sports? Oh boy. Continue, please. If you have a point to make, make it - but lose that condescending tone asap. But if you prefer, I'll clarify - Do I really think they need to make every single little thing sound "the best ever"? No, but I definitely expect them to hype it up, regardless of the reality. I wouldn't expect anything less, and I doubt GOM wouldn't either. Edit - Or hell - they really could have even believed that it was one of the best finals ever as they were caught up in the moment. I certainly genuinely think this is one of the best finals ever. Me too. But it actually is one of the best, because we had a lot of extremely bad ones, the thing is, this finals doesn't hold anything when compared to JJ vs Leenock or MMA vs DRG, in that light, it's barely passable. JJ v Leenock and MMA v DRG finals were no where near as good compared to the Genius v DRG finals actually. Subjectivity is an awesome thing.
The quality of strictly the games along is incomparable. Those were some epic TvZ's. Blizzcup is still the best finals in Sc2 history so far.
This was still good though.
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On March 03 2012 20:11 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:07 R!! wrote:On March 03 2012 20:05 snotboogie wrote:On March 03 2012 20:04 -TesteR- wrote:On March 03 2012 19:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:54 DirtyCash wrote:On March 03 2012 19:47 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:46 DirtyCash wrote:
the archon trying to sell us everything as "the best ever" is getting old fast That's exactly what they should be doing. I'm not sure where to start. Do you watch traditionnal sports? Oh boy. Continue, please. If you have a point to make, make it - but lose that condescending tone asap. But if you prefer, I'll clarify - Do I really think they need to make every single little thing sound "the best ever"? No, but I definitely expect them to hype it up, regardless of the reality. I wouldn't expect anything less, and I doubt GOM wouldn't either. Edit - Or hell - they really could have even believed that it was one of the best finals ever as they were caught up in the moment. I certainly genuinely think this is one of the best finals ever. Me too. But it actually is one of the best, because we had a lot of extremely bad ones, the thing is, this finals doesn't hold anything when compared to JJ vs Leenock or MMA vs DRG, in that light, it's barely passable. JJ v Leenock and MMA v DRG finals were no where near as good compared to the Genius v DRG finals actually. Subjectivity is an awesome thing.
Ah, way to be prisoner of the moment. Entertainment wise this final is among the better ones (not hard to do, really), but skill wise it really pales in comparison to those two you listed. That Antiga game is something I would expect out of some bad NA pro, not a GSL finalist.
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On March 03 2012 20:07 OneObsession wrote:from Hazaro(neogaf) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RpFOi.jpg)
she's got a mouth full of water and she's aiming to squirt it at someone i think?
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On March 03 2012 20:12 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:11 R!! wrote:On March 03 2012 20:09 fant0m wrote:On March 03 2012 20:04 vthree wrote:
Well, you could say DRG is the best player currently but you could also say that for all GSL champs after they just won their GSL. I think we have to remember this is the first GSL that DRG has done well in although he has had great GSTL and foreign results.
I don't think we currently have one dominate player at the moment like during MC, then Nestea, then MVP eras. Several players are all very close to each other like DRG, MMA, MKP, Nestea, Parting, MVP and many others. So the major tornaments coming up will be very interesting with GSL S2, mlg Columbus, iem world championships, iron squid, ipl4. If someone manages to win or get to finals to 2-3 of these, then maybe we will have one dominate player again. Definitely can't say that at the moment. The thing about 2011 in SC2 is that it wasn't just "MC, Nestea, MVP", it was more like Nestea->MC->MVP->MC->Nestea->MVP. They were so good, and it wasn't just 1 era each where they rose up for a few months. Even if they fell off a bit, they came back and started dominating again (well, Nestea and MVP at least). MVP was definetely the one that was considered the best player for the most part of the year, and dare I say, SC2's life. What about the time when he was in Code A? Oooo... Nestea was also considered the best player while Mvp was down in Code A. Only reason Mvp was perceived as better was because he kept beating Nestea.
Yeah that's the only reason.
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I feel like the best final so far was Jjakji vs Leenock.
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On March 03 2012 20:10 Tevinhead wrote:Insert meme here, someone :D ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LRXSp.png)
"Man, this Hot6 is good stuff !" xD
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On March 03 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:11 -TesteR- wrote:On March 03 2012 20:07 R!! wrote:On March 03 2012 20:05 snotboogie wrote:On March 03 2012 20:04 -TesteR- wrote:On March 03 2012 19:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:54 DirtyCash wrote:On March 03 2012 19:47 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:46 DirtyCash wrote:
the archon trying to sell us everything as "the best ever" is getting old fast That's exactly what they should be doing. I'm not sure where to start. Do you watch traditionnal sports? Oh boy. Continue, please. If you have a point to make, make it - but lose that condescending tone asap. But if you prefer, I'll clarify - Do I really think they need to make every single little thing sound "the best ever"? No, but I definitely expect them to hype it up, regardless of the reality. I wouldn't expect anything less, and I doubt GOM wouldn't either. Edit - Or hell - they really could have even believed that it was one of the best finals ever as they were caught up in the moment. I certainly genuinely think this is one of the best finals ever. Me too. But it actually is one of the best, because we had a lot of extremely bad ones, the thing is, this finals doesn't hold anything when compared to JJ vs Leenock or MMA vs DRG, in that light, it's barely passable. JJ v Leenock and MMA v DRG finals were no where near as good compared to the Genius v DRG finals actually. Subjectivity is an awesome thing. The quality of strictly the games along is incomparable. Those were some epic TvZ's. Blizzcup is still the best finals in Sc2 history so far. This was still good though.
different people value different things in the game. imo these finals were trash compared to jakji vs leenock or mma vs drg, but then i enjoy extremely technical games and not carrier rushes. almost all protoss games are gimicky though, so as far as tht goes drg vs genius was as good as anyone could have hoped for.
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On March 03 2012 20:11 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:07 R!! wrote:On March 03 2012 20:05 snotboogie wrote:On March 03 2012 20:04 -TesteR- wrote:On March 03 2012 19:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:54 DirtyCash wrote:On March 03 2012 19:47 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:46 DirtyCash wrote:
the archon trying to sell us everything as "the best ever" is getting old fast That's exactly what they should be doing. I'm not sure where to start. Do you watch traditionnal sports? Oh boy. Continue, please. If you have a point to make, make it - but lose that condescending tone asap. But if you prefer, I'll clarify - Do I really think they need to make every single little thing sound "the best ever"? No, but I definitely expect them to hype it up, regardless of the reality. I wouldn't expect anything less, and I doubt GOM wouldn't either. Edit - Or hell - they really could have even believed that it was one of the best finals ever as they were caught up in the moment. I certainly genuinely think this is one of the best finals ever. Me too. But it actually is one of the best, because we had a lot of extremely bad ones, the thing is, this finals doesn't hold anything when compared to JJ vs Leenock or MMA vs DRG, in that light, it's barely passable. JJ v Leenock and MMA v DRG finals were no where near as good compared to the Genius v DRG finals actually. Subjectivity is an awesome thing.
Good play is not subjective(search for a pro that actually enjoyed this finals, but don't get too old while doing it), entertainment is, if you are solely using entertainment as a base to judge which one was the best finals, then fine, people get entertained by all kinds of weird shit.
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On March 03 2012 20:08 tdt wrote:
I don't know why people are saying good finals. Did you listen to pros come in here and talk about how shitty they played? They wernt good. The last two were far far better.
I didn't see any pros come in here and talk about how shitty the players played, but I could have missed it. Maybe those "pros" should get better and get to the GSL finals so they can show us better finals before they insult clearly superior players. I thoroughly enjoyed the finals myself, getting very very excited during the game on Crossfire. No pros opinion, or your opinion for that matter, will change that. Not sure why you want to convince people it was a bad finals, does that make you feel better?
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On March 03 2012 20:15 collegeBored wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:11 -TesteR- wrote:On March 03 2012 20:07 R!! wrote:On March 03 2012 20:05 snotboogie wrote:On March 03 2012 20:04 -TesteR- wrote:On March 03 2012 19:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:54 DirtyCash wrote:On March 03 2012 19:47 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:46 DirtyCash wrote:
the archon trying to sell us everything as "the best ever" is getting old fast That's exactly what they should be doing. I'm not sure where to start. Do you watch traditionnal sports? Oh boy. Continue, please. If you have a point to make, make it - but lose that condescending tone asap. But if you prefer, I'll clarify - Do I really think they need to make every single little thing sound "the best ever"? No, but I definitely expect them to hype it up, regardless of the reality. I wouldn't expect anything less, and I doubt GOM wouldn't either. Edit - Or hell - they really could have even believed that it was one of the best finals ever as they were caught up in the moment. I certainly genuinely think this is one of the best finals ever. Me too. But it actually is one of the best, because we had a lot of extremely bad ones, the thing is, this finals doesn't hold anything when compared to JJ vs Leenock or MMA vs DRG, in that light, it's barely passable. JJ v Leenock and MMA v DRG finals were no where near as good compared to the Genius v DRG finals actually. Subjectivity is an awesome thing. The quality of strictly the games along is incomparable. Those were some epic TvZ's. Blizzcup is still the best finals in Sc2 history so far. This was still good though. different people value different things in the game. imo these finals were trash compared to jakji vs leenock or mma vs drg, but then i enjoy extremely technical games and not carrier rushes. almost all protoss games are gimicky though, so as far as tht goes drg vs genius was as good as anyone could have hoped for.
There were a lot of highly "technical" games played in this series actually. Probably higher than the series you claim to have liked better. The long macro games that everyone claims to love are actually the opposite of highly technical.
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I like this finals, Its show everything about pvz,and every game give different feeling.
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On March 03 2012 20:10 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:02 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 20:00 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 03 2012 19:57 Xax wrote:On March 03 2012 19:53 -Archangel- wrote:On March 03 2012 19:50 Xax wrote:On March 03 2012 19:49 Logo2010 wrote:
Look at it this way, Genius totally outplays DRG in first 3 games, yeah I know he lost game 2, it was a joke build tbh.
Loses game 4, gets BMed by DRG in the booth. Makes mistakes in game 5, gets BMed again. Genius makes more mistakes than ever. The rest is history.
Mind games victory goes to DRG, and you can hear in Genius' speech what he thinks about that. Maybe building carriers is a bit BM but doesn't warrant mid game booth BMing. Considering how tight rules are ingame about chatting only reserved to pp and gg. In between game unspoken rules were broken by DRG imo. Going into another player's booth during a finals no less should not be considered acceptable. The gap at the top is so small and anything can affect you at the highest level. It really takes the shine of DRG's victory and first GSL. Now I look at him in a different light.
Felt really bad about that. Lost a lot of respect for DRG. You could see how Genius was shaken by that  Lol. You seriously are going to use this as excuse Genius lost? And not that DRG played better? Not really an excuse for the loss, but rather disappointed that DRG somehow took this over the top, disrespected his friend quite a bit in my opinion. A thumbs down in his own booth is something else than going into someone elses and dragging his arms up. ... Really? I agree with Xax actually. Friends or not, if I'm one of the sponsors I wouldn't want to see the final competitors trivializing the moment by these sort of antics. If I'm GOM, I wouldn't want them doing it either. Not a HUGE deal either way, but I can see why it would turn some people off. It's such common knowledge in the community that they're friends and there's been so much banter that I would expect nothing less than booth shenanigans. It's not like DRG was hurling slurs and kicking him. It was just harmless fun, two friends just fucking around. If that detracts from the finals for some people, I legitimately find that shocking...>_>
Yup, taunting your friend with the end of his career (military service) is harmless fun. Maybe if you play on the ladder for fun 
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On March 03 2012 19:50 theteam wrote:from Hazaro(neogaf)
Great capture.
and O how I wish I could post on neogaf but my account will probably never be approved T.T
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Power outage at the start of game five... fuuuuuuuuuuuck
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On March 03 2012 20:16 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:08 tdt wrote:
I don't know why people are saying good finals. Did you listen to pros come in here and talk about how shitty they played? They wernt good. The last two were far far better. I didn't see any pros come in here and talk about how shitty the players played, but I could have missed it. Maybe those "pros" should get better and get to the GSL finals so they can show us better finals before they insult clearly superior players. I thoroughly enjoyed the finals myself, getting very very excited during the game on Crossfire. No pros opinion, or your opinion for that matter, will change that. Not sure why you want to convince people it was a bad finals, does that make you feel better?
The games weren't very good. Sans the first game where Genius hit that super nice timing before broodlords they were mostly people fucking up. Genius should've won on Antiga. And the carrier rush was retarded. But the overall atmosphere and everything about these finals was still an enjoyable thing from strictly a fan of the sc2 scene's perspective.
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On March 03 2012 20:16 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:08 tdt wrote:
I don't know why people are saying good finals. Did you listen to pros come in here and talk about how shitty they played? They wernt good. The last two were far far better. I didn't see any pros come in here and talk about how shitty the players played, but I could have missed it. Maybe those "pros" should get better and get to the GSL finals so they can show us better finals before they insult clearly superior players. I thoroughly enjoyed the finals myself, getting very very excited during the game on Crossfire. No pros opinion, or your opinion for that matter, will change that. Not sure why you want to convince people it was a bad finals, does that make you feel better?
You don't have to be the best in the world in a given field to criticize the professionals of that field.
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On March 03 2012 20:04 zeehar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:01 DirtyCash wrote:On March 03 2012 19:56 snotboogie wrote:On March 03 2012 19:51 mint_julep wrote:On March 03 2012 19:49 how2TL wrote:On March 03 2012 19:48 mint_julep wrote:On March 03 2012 19:47 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:46 DirtyCash wrote:
the archon trying to sell us everything as "the best ever" is getting old fast That's exactly what they should be doing. I prefer honesty in community. The honest truth is they'll get fucking fired if they don't apply some spin. NFL Casters don't get fired for saying "What an epic superbowl! Amazing!" instead of "This is already the greatest finals ever" after three games. I don't even think they're lying. They acknowledge when finals aren't good, but do you expect them to say "damn that was a crappy finals", no they're just going to talk about something else. Tonight's series WAS excellent. Nobody asks them to say the finals were shit. They werent, it was fairly entertaining but certainly not "the best finals ever". Sports commentators can spin storylines and plays a little but they dont make obvious lies to hype a product. obvious lies? what obvious lies? does the world revolve around you now, and that because you didn't like the finals, that is an established fact and tastosis not thinking or saying so makes it a lie i.e. a subversion of this fact?
You're making erroneous assumptions, I actually enjoyed the final. Do you really think both the level of play and the entertainment value were nearly as high as the last finals? I cant see how.
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On March 03 2012 20:17 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:15 collegeBored wrote:On March 03 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:11 -TesteR- wrote:On March 03 2012 20:07 R!! wrote:On March 03 2012 20:05 snotboogie wrote:On March 03 2012 20:04 -TesteR- wrote:On March 03 2012 19:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 19:54 DirtyCash wrote:On March 03 2012 19:47 EvilTeletubby wrote:
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That's exactly what they should be doing. I'm not sure where to start. Do you watch traditionnal sports? Oh boy. Continue, please. If you have a point to make, make it - but lose that condescending tone asap. But if you prefer, I'll clarify - Do I really think they need to make every single little thing sound "the best ever"? No, but I definitely expect them to hype it up, regardless of the reality. I wouldn't expect anything less, and I doubt GOM wouldn't either. Edit - Or hell - they really could have even believed that it was one of the best finals ever as they were caught up in the moment. I certainly genuinely think this is one of the best finals ever. Me too. But it actually is one of the best, because we had a lot of extremely bad ones, the thing is, this finals doesn't hold anything when compared to JJ vs Leenock or MMA vs DRG, in that light, it's barely passable. JJ v Leenock and MMA v DRG finals were no where near as good compared to the Genius v DRG finals actually. Subjectivity is an awesome thing. The quality of strictly the games along is incomparable. Those were some epic TvZ's. Blizzcup is still the best finals in Sc2 history so far. This was still good though. different people value different things in the game. imo these finals were trash compared to jakji vs leenock or mma vs drg, but then i enjoy extremely technical games and not carrier rushes. almost all protoss games are gimicky though, so as far as tht goes drg vs genius was as good as anyone could have hoped for. There were a lot of highly "technical" games played in this series actually. Probably higher than the series you claim to have liked better. The long macro games that everyone claims to love are actually the opposite of highly technical.
when i say technical i mean mechanics, maybe thats not the "accepted' definitoin of it. overall game micro, macro, multitasking. going for a build order win (3 void rush) and fucking it up isnt technical, its cheesy; same goes for any kind of timing attacks because it relies on your opeonent making a mistake and not preparing for it.
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