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ikh
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom251 Posts
March 03 2012 11:25 GMT
#5481
On March 03 2012 20:22 setzer wrote:
They can celebrate without making GSL finals look like amateur hour.

i think this getting Personally Annoyed and Insulted about seeing shows of emotion, humour and personality instead of Professional Business Additudes is a pretty distinctly american thing. do realise your views on such things are not objective or absolute, especially when they're in the minority.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
March 03 2012 11:25 GMT
#5482
Can't believe anyone would get upset by the ceremonies today. Anyone mad about the booth stuff is either butthurt or extremely childish, I can't see any other explanation. They both say that they are really good friends but the only way they have ever treated each other is in a playful taunting sort of way and to act in any other way would just be weird for them. Most people that aren't overly sensitive have a friend just like that I imagine.

Grow up.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
March 03 2012 11:27 GMT
#5483
On March 03 2012 20:22 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 20:21 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:20 Dodgin wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:06 BLinD-RawR wrote:
people need to seriously let the BM talk go.

2 best friends messing around with each other.

they turned the gomtogon into their fucking playground.


that's kind of my point, it feels like the whole thing is a joke.

So you want them to not enjoy one of the biggest moments in their collective careers to date?


They can celebrate without making GSL finals look like amateur hour.

It's the opposite, though. They did it for the crowd. If you watched the interview with the MVP coach before the game he said they knew how much the crowd loved the celebrations and ceremonies, so they each prepared a few for when they won.

I don't understand how the ceremonies cheapened the finals at all, honestly. If anything they made me enjoy the games and the series even more.
Long live the King of Wings
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
March 03 2012 11:27 GMT
#5484
lol LR thread at its best. Endless complaints about the games, BM, everything. I wonder why some people can't just enjoy it like everyone else...
in a state of trance
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 03 2012 11:27 GMT
#5485
This reminds me when Jon Montgomery won the bobsled gold and decided to chug a pitcher of beer in celebration that he got from a random fan and people were outraged...

You realize that people are playing this game right?
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 11:33:11
March 03 2012 11:28 GMT
#5486
On March 03 2012 20:23 -TesteR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 20:17 IgnE wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:15 collegeBored wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:11 -TesteR- wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:07 R!! wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:05 snotboogie wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:04 -TesteR- wrote:
On March 03 2012 19:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On March 03 2012 19:54 DirtyCash wrote:
[quote]

I'm not sure where to start. Do you watch traditionnal sports?


Oh boy. Continue, please. If you have a point to make, make it - but lose that condescending tone asap.

But if you prefer, I'll clarify - Do I really think they need to make every single little thing sound "the best ever"? No, but I definitely expect them to hype it up, regardless of the reality. I wouldn't expect anything less, and I doubt GOM wouldn't either.

Edit - Or hell - they really could have even believed that it was one of the best finals ever as they were caught up in the moment.


I certainly genuinely think this is one of the best finals ever.


Me too.

But it actually is one of the best, because we had a lot of extremely bad ones, the thing is, this finals doesn't hold anything when compared to JJ vs Leenock or MMA vs DRG, in that light, it's barely passable.


JJ v Leenock and MMA v DRG finals were no where near as good compared to the Genius v DRG finals actually. Subjectivity is an awesome thing.

The quality of strictly the games along is incomparable. Those were some epic TvZ's. Blizzcup is still the best finals in Sc2 history so far.

This was still good though.

different people value different things in the game. imo these finals were trash compared to jakji vs leenock or mma vs drg, but then i enjoy extremely technical games and not carrier rushes. almost all protoss games are gimicky though, so as far as tht goes drg vs genius was as good as anyone could have hoped for.



There were a lot of highly "technical" games played in this series actually. Probably higher than the series you claim to have liked better. The long macro games that everyone claims to love are actually the opposite of highly technical.


The gas cancel late +1 on cloud kingdom alone is so fucking technical my mind exploded... but I guess a lot of posters didn't notice/understand. The antiga game was lack luster, but the rest of the finals.. >>>> than jakji leenock for sure.

Yes, you are one of the only ones smart enough to use their ears to listen to what the casters thoroughly explained, a true genius, or did you mean to say that you noticed it on your own?Probably not, no one can be that naive.

User was temp banned for this post.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
ravemir
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal595 Posts
March 03 2012 11:29 GMT
#5487
Well, at least I got my Liquibet right Believed for a second, in games 5 and 6...why did he flinch?
"more gg, more skill"
mint_julep
Profile Joined October 2009
United States254 Posts
March 03 2012 11:30 GMT
#5488
On March 03 2012 20:23 Xax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 20:21 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:20 Dodgin wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:06 BLinD-RawR wrote:
people need to seriously let the BM talk go.

2 best friends messing around with each other.

they turned the gomtogon into their fucking playground.


that's kind of my point, it feels like the whole thing is a joke.

So you want them to not enjoy one of the biggest moments in their collective careers to date?


Sure, but not by humiliating his friend on the biggest stage.


As much as I think the argument that their BM made the GSL "a joke" is silly and based on subjective view on what is "professional" or what the GSL should be, I did actually feel bad for Genius.

I got the feeling that DRG underestimated how hard it is to be mocked, in booth, when you're trying to concentrate on the biggest moment of your life to date. He didn't actually mean it to be an ass, but I think it hurt Genius' concentration and confidence, etc.

If you watch the VODs, genius seem to me to be a bit visibly frusterated and upset, trying to compose himself.
I hope Plexa's sig is right.
collegeBored
Profile Joined November 2002
United States1524 Posts
March 03 2012 11:30 GMT
#5489
i thought the "BM" in this final was harmless, it looked like they just enjoyed themselves. and tahts granted that i hugely dislike shit MC and idra do for showmanship (granted i realize its all also a joke) because while it may bring the unwashed masses to SC it also brings SC to the same level as WWE where everyone will take it as a fucking joke.
The stupid neither forgive nor forget, the naive forgive and forget, the wise forgive but never forget.
Blade Fox
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States215 Posts
March 03 2012 11:30 GMT
#5490
Genius had this series in his pocket until he made carriers. Go figure..
Blame it on my A.D.D
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 03 2012 11:32 GMT
#5491
I am honestly surprised nobody posted nonsense like Zerg OP yet.
Instead we're getting complaints about BM?
Are you serious?!
moo...for DRG
Teacher74
Profile Joined September 2010
United States47 Posts
March 03 2012 11:32 GMT
#5492
On March 03 2012 20:30 Blade Fox wrote:
Genius had this series in his pocket until he made carriers. Go figure..


Ugh... people are reading that game wrong. That was actually a REALLY GOOD strategy. Carriers with +air attacks which is what Genius was doing snowballs really quickly and become extremely cost efficient. It was a really good build to mix into a best of 7 and a really good map to do it on cuz you can turtle on three base which is what you need to support carriers.

Genius wanted to win. We could all see it in his face. He wasn't trolling.
niekoz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 11:33:31
March 03 2012 11:33 GMT
#5493
I realy don't like the spoiler on the frontpage, wasn't able to catch it live
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
March 03 2012 11:33 GMT
#5494
On March 03 2012 20:25 ikh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 20:22 setzer wrote:
They can celebrate without making GSL finals look like amateur hour.

i think this getting Personally Annoyed and Insulted about seeing shows of emotion, humour and personality instead of Professional Business Additudes is a pretty distinctly american thing. do realise your views on such things are not objective or absolute, especially when they're in the minority.


I don't know any professional sport where during the course of a match/event players of opposing sides put on what amounts to a comedy show. You wouldn't see KeSPA allow this. You wouldn't see an NFL franchise tolerate this. I probably wouldn't mind as much if this happened in ro32 group stage or something, but come on, this was the finals. I expected a little more composure.
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 11:35:45
March 03 2012 11:33 GMT
#5495
On March 03 2012 20:33 niekoz wrote:
I realy don't like the spoiler on the front page, wasn't able to catch it live

You can alter your account settings so you don't get spoilers.

On March 03 2012 20:33 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 20:25 ikh wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:22 setzer wrote:
They can celebrate without making GSL finals look like amateur hour.

i think this getting Personally Annoyed and Insulted about seeing shows of emotion, humour and personality instead of Professional Business Additudes is a pretty distinctly american thing. do realise your views on such things are not objective or absolute, especially when they're in the minority.


I don't know any professional sport where during the course of a match/event players of opposing sides put on what amounts to a comedy show. You wouldn't see KeSPA allow this. You wouldn't see an NFL franchise tolerate this. I probably wouldn't mind as much if this happened in ro32 group stage or something, but come on, this was the finals. I expected a little more composure.


Ironically you're only example is an american one...>_>

That aside though, it wasn't really a comedy show. Ceremonies are a thing in starcraft. People also loved celebrations in football before they got banned. In hockey there's tons of shit being thrown around. There are a plethora of examples where this would be fine.
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
March 03 2012 11:34 GMT
#5496
On March 03 2012 20:32 Teacher74 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 20:30 Blade Fox wrote:
Genius had this series in his pocket until he made carriers. Go figure..


Ugh... people are reading that game wrong. That was actually a REALLY GOOD strategy. Carriers with +air attacks which is what Genius was doing snowballs really quickly and become extremely cost efficient. It was a really good build to mix into a best of 7 and a really good map to do it on cuz you can turtle on three base which is what you need to support carriers.

Genius wanted to win. We could all see it in his face. He wasn't trolling.

I'd believe you if I saw carriers winning more than 1 out of 50 games.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
March 03 2012 11:34 GMT
#5497
On March 03 2012 20:28 R!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 20:23 -TesteR- wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:17 IgnE wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:15 collegeBored wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:11 -TesteR- wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:07 R!! wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:05 snotboogie wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:04 -TesteR- wrote:
On March 03 2012 19:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:
[quote]

Oh boy. Continue, please. If you have a point to make, make it - but lose that condescending tone asap.

But if you prefer, I'll clarify - Do I really think they need to make every single little thing sound "the best ever"? No, but I definitely expect them to hype it up, regardless of the reality. I wouldn't expect anything less, and I doubt GOM wouldn't either.

Edit - Or hell - they really could have even believed that it was one of the best finals ever as they were caught up in the moment.


I certainly genuinely think this is one of the best finals ever.


Me too.

But it actually is one of the best, because we had a lot of extremely bad ones, the thing is, this finals doesn't hold anything when compared to JJ vs Leenock or MMA vs DRG, in that light, it's barely passable.


JJ v Leenock and MMA v DRG finals were no where near as good compared to the Genius v DRG finals actually. Subjectivity is an awesome thing.

The quality of strictly the games along is incomparable. Those were some epic TvZ's. Blizzcup is still the best finals in Sc2 history so far.

This was still good though.

different people value different things in the game. imo these finals were trash compared to jakji vs leenock or mma vs drg, but then i enjoy extremely technical games and not carrier rushes. almost all protoss games are gimicky though, so as far as tht goes drg vs genius was as good as anyone could have hoped for.



There were a lot of highly "technical" games played in this series actually. Probably higher than the series you claim to have liked better. The long macro games that everyone claims to love are actually the opposite of highly technical.


The gas cancel late +1 on cloud kingdom alone is so fucking technical my mind exploded... but I guess a lot of posters didn't notice/understand. The antiga game was lack luster, but the rest of the finals.. >>>> than jakji leenock for sure.

Yes, you are one of the only ones smart enough to use your ears to listen to what the casters throughly explained, a true genius, or did you mean to say that you noticed it on your own?Probably not, no one can be that naive.


Ad Hominem has arrived! Knew someone would resort to it eventually, I'm done arguing, series was amazingly technical and entertaining, best finals yet! gg :p
alexanderzero
Profile Joined June 2008
United States659 Posts
March 03 2012 11:34 GMT
#5498
Love the massive spoiler on the front page. I thought TeamLiquid was the only site that didn't do that fucking shit but I guess everyone does now... Thanks a lot.
I am a tournament organizazer.
ravemir
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal595 Posts
March 03 2012 11:34 GMT
#5499
On March 03 2012 20:32 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I am honestly surprised nobody posted nonsense like Zerg OP yet.
Instead we're getting complaints about BM?
Are you serious?!


Hush now! At least another good thing we get from Genius not winning that Genius is that there probably won't be any Protoss OP talk...
"more gg, more skill"
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 03 2012 11:35 GMT
#5500
On March 03 2012 20:33 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 20:25 ikh wrote:
On March 03 2012 20:22 setzer wrote:
They can celebrate without making GSL finals look like amateur hour.

i think this getting Personally Annoyed and Insulted about seeing shows of emotion, humour and personality instead of Professional Business Additudes is a pretty distinctly american thing. do realise your views on such things are not objective or absolute, especially when they're in the minority.


I don't know any professional sport where during the course of a match/event players of opposing sides put on what amounts to a comedy show. You wouldn't see KeSPA allow this. You wouldn't see an NFL franchise tolerate this. I probably wouldn't mind as much if this happened in ro32 group stage or something, but come on, this was the finals. I expected a little more composure.


You should probably read the article John the Translator wrote on how KeSPA is the Blight of eSports.
Bringing KeSPA into the discussion does little to make your points look any better, unfortunately.
moo...for DRG
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