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On March 03 2012 20:41 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:39 FuFighter wrote:
Nice finals, gratz to DRG, I predicted him winning 4:2.
I truely dislike Crossfire though and imo it needs to go. Protoss can never ever secure a third base so as long as Zerg builds a ton of spinecrawlers he can never ever lose. Remember the final battle of the game? A few stalkers cramped up behind the mineral line of DRGs third while he attacked with his left-over mutas. I don't like that this map forces weird scenarios like that and it's just a bad map in general. Please remove it, gom! Only thing I didn't like about the finals, everything else was great!
Crossfire is confirmed for removed next season.
Seriously? You sir made my day! Yeaaayye!
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On March 03 2012 20:42 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:39 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:37 setzer wrote:On March 03 2012 20:35 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:33 setzer wrote:On March 03 2012 20:25 ikh wrote:On March 03 2012 20:22 setzer wrote:
They can celebrate without making GSL finals look like amateur hour. i think this getting Personally Annoyed and Insulted about seeing shows of emotion, humour and personality instead of Professional Business Additudes is a pretty distinctly american thing. do realise your views on such things are not objective or absolute, especially when they're in the minority. I don't know any professional sport where during the course of a match/event players of opposing sides put on what amounts to a comedy show. You wouldn't see KeSPA allow this. You wouldn't see an NFL franchise tolerate this. I probably wouldn't mind as much if this happened in ro32 group stage or something, but come on, this was the finals. I expected a little more composure. You should probably read the article John the Translator wrote on how KeSPA is the Blight of eSports. Bringing KeSPA into the discussion does little to make your points look any better, unfortunately. By "Blight of eSports" do you mean bringing professional gaming to the closest we've been to a culturally accepted level? As in John said KeSPA was terrible and evil and money grubbing and didn't allow expansion of esports outside of Korea due to blackmail and threatened lawsuits. And you trust John to give a perfectly objective view of KeSPA when he works for a company that was basically shit on by them? KeSPA does stupid stuff like all corporations (including GOM! gasp), but you cannot deny the boundaries BW pushed, and KeSPA was a part of that.
I actually do trust John, he's a really nice, honest guy. Anyone who shits on John the Translator really needs a hug and a beer.
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On March 03 2012 20:45 FuFighter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:41 Dodgin wrote:On March 03 2012 20:39 FuFighter wrote:
Nice finals, gratz to DRG, I predicted him winning 4:2.
I truely dislike Crossfire though and imo it needs to go. Protoss can never ever secure a third base so as long as Zerg builds a ton of spinecrawlers he can never ever lose. Remember the final battle of the game? A few stalkers cramped up behind the mineral line of DRGs third while he attacked with his left-over mutas. I don't like that this map forces weird scenarios like that and it's just a bad map in general. Please remove it, gom! Only thing I didn't like about the finals, everything else was great!
Crossfire is confirmed for removed next season. Seriously? You sir made my day! Yeaaayye!
Yup it was announced about two weeks ago, wolf commented on it during one of the Code A matches. ( He was very happy )
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On March 03 2012 20:46 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:42 setzer wrote:On March 03 2012 20:39 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:37 setzer wrote:On March 03 2012 20:35 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:33 setzer wrote:On March 03 2012 20:25 ikh wrote:On March 03 2012 20:22 setzer wrote:
They can celebrate without making GSL finals look like amateur hour. i think this getting Personally Annoyed and Insulted about seeing shows of emotion, humour and personality instead of Professional Business Additudes is a pretty distinctly american thing. do realise your views on such things are not objective or absolute, especially when they're in the minority. I don't know any professional sport where during the course of a match/event players of opposing sides put on what amounts to a comedy show. You wouldn't see KeSPA allow this. You wouldn't see an NFL franchise tolerate this. I probably wouldn't mind as much if this happened in ro32 group stage or something, but come on, this was the finals. I expected a little more composure. You should probably read the article John the Translator wrote on how KeSPA is the Blight of eSports. Bringing KeSPA into the discussion does little to make your points look any better, unfortunately. By "Blight of eSports" do you mean bringing professional gaming to the closest we've been to a culturally accepted level? As in John said KeSPA was terrible and evil and money grubbing and didn't allow expansion of esports outside of Korea due to blackmail and threatened lawsuits. And you trust John to give a perfectly objective view of KeSPA when he works for a company that was basically shit on by them? KeSPA does stupid stuff like all corporations (including GOM! gasp), but you cannot deny the boundaries BW pushed, and KeSPA was a part of that. I actually do trust John, he's a really nice, honest guy. Anyone who shits on John the Translator really needs a hug and a beer.
Or alternatively a prison sentence in Turkey.
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On March 03 2012 20:44 Bengui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:36 kmh wrote:On March 03 2012 20:33 niekoz wrote:
I realy don't like the spoiler on the frontpage, wasn't able to catch it live Then don't visit TL until you've seen the games. So you can never visit TL at all ? =(
Bookmark www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft2 and hope it doesnt appear on the left.....
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On March 03 2012 20:46 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:46 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:42 setzer wrote:On March 03 2012 20:39 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:37 setzer wrote:On March 03 2012 20:35 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:33 setzer wrote:On March 03 2012 20:25 ikh wrote:On March 03 2012 20:22 setzer wrote:
They can celebrate without making GSL finals look like amateur hour. i think this getting Personally Annoyed and Insulted about seeing shows of emotion, humour and personality instead of Professional Business Additudes is a pretty distinctly american thing. do realise your views on such things are not objective or absolute, especially when they're in the minority. I don't know any professional sport where during the course of a match/event players of opposing sides put on what amounts to a comedy show. You wouldn't see KeSPA allow this. You wouldn't see an NFL franchise tolerate this. I probably wouldn't mind as much if this happened in ro32 group stage or something, but come on, this was the finals. I expected a little more composure. You should probably read the article John the Translator wrote on how KeSPA is the Blight of eSports. Bringing KeSPA into the discussion does little to make your points look any better, unfortunately. By "Blight of eSports" do you mean bringing professional gaming to the closest we've been to a culturally accepted level? As in John said KeSPA was terrible and evil and money grubbing and didn't allow expansion of esports outside of Korea due to blackmail and threatened lawsuits. And you trust John to give a perfectly objective view of KeSPA when he works for a company that was basically shit on by them? KeSPA does stupid stuff like all corporations (including GOM! gasp), but you cannot deny the boundaries BW pushed, and KeSPA was a part of that. I actually do trust John, he's a really nice, honest guy. Anyone who shits on John the Translator really needs a hug and a beer. Or alternatively a prison sentence in Turkey.
SeaSwift, I was trying to be nice!
He doesn't have to know about the prison sentence...yet.
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On March 03 2012 20:47 Philipd122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:44 Bengui wrote:On March 03 2012 20:36 kmh wrote:On March 03 2012 20:33 niekoz wrote:
I realy don't like the spoiler on the frontpage, wasn't able to catch it live Then don't visit TL until you've seen the games. So you can never visit TL at all ? =( Bookmark www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft2 and hope it doesnt appear on the left.....
or just scroll down the homepage and check the "hide spoilers" box at teh bottom.
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by the way, the TL.net LR BIASED BANNER didn't stop DRG from winning.
NICE TRY, GUYS!!!!!!
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On March 03 2012 20:47 Philipd122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:44 Bengui wrote:On March 03 2012 20:36 kmh wrote:On March 03 2012 20:33 niekoz wrote:
I realy don't like the spoiler on the frontpage, wasn't able to catch it live Then don't visit TL until you've seen the games. So you can never visit TL at all ? =( Bookmark www.teamliquid.net/starcraft2 and hope it doesnt appear on the left.....
Yeah, that's what I actually do, I was just talking in favor of those who are getting spoiled :/
(Altho technically I don't use bookmarks, but the firefox adress bar...)
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On March 03 2012 20:48 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:47 Philipd122 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:44 Bengui wrote:On March 03 2012 20:36 kmh wrote:On March 03 2012 20:33 niekoz wrote:
I realy don't like the spoiler on the frontpage, wasn't able to catch it live Then don't visit TL until you've seen the games. So you can never visit TL at all ? =( Bookmark www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft2 and hope it doesnt appear on the left..... or just scroll down the homepage and check the "hide spoilers" box at teh bottom.
Nice ! Is it tied with your account, or a cookie ?
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On March 03 2012 20:41 R!! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:36 Teacher74 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:34 R!! wrote:On March 03 2012 20:32 Teacher74 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:30 Blade Fox wrote:
Genius had this series in his pocket until he made carriers. Go figure.. Ugh... people are reading that game wrong. That was actually a REALLY GOOD strategy. Carriers with +air attacks which is what Genius was doing snowballs really quickly and become extremely cost efficient. It was a really good build to mix into a best of 7 and a really good map to do it on cuz you can turtle on three base which is what you need to support carriers. Genius wanted to win. We could all see it in his face. He wasn't trolling. I'd believe you if I saw carriers winning more than 1 out of 50 games. I do that build on the ladder a LOT so i realize how razor thin the timing window for DRG was. He moved in exactly at the right time. That in combination of Genius losing a grip of phoenixes flying over hydras and not scouting the incoming overlords even though he had mass phoenixes. Also, not having the carriers in position to defend the third hurt him really badly as well. At what level?I don't mean that to discredit you, if it's actually being done at a higher level than mid masters, I'd be interested in seeing some replays.
I'm mid/low masters. I just started playing SC2 again.
http://drop.sc/125348
I do the build a little differently, I skip warpgate and research +1 air attacks instead. Go much lighter on gateway army and pressure with 1 voidray and phoenixes while I try to pump out carriers and upgrades relying on cannon defense.
Someone on Reddit captured my sentiments exactly: "Literally the only thing that could break him right then was overlord drops. FFs and his cannons/ramps would have wrecked any type of roach/ling/hydra attempted pressure or all-in. Genius collects an "easy" win if DRG didn't counter perfectly and at an ideal time. With the denied scouting there was no way for DRG to have a Spire, upgrades, and 20 corrupters ready to have a chance vs ~8 carriers through triple stargate. Kudos to Genius on the build and DRG for the well executed counter. Very impressive game imo."
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On March 03 2012 20:42 mint_julep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:34 R!! wrote:On March 03 2012 20:32 Teacher74 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:30 Blade Fox wrote:
Genius had this series in his pocket until he made carriers. Go figure.. Ugh... people are reading that game wrong. That was actually a REALLY GOOD strategy. Carriers with +air attacks which is what Genius was doing snowballs really quickly and become extremely cost efficient. It was a really good build to mix into a best of 7 and a really good map to do it on cuz you can turtle on three base which is what you need to support carriers. Genius wanted to win. We could all see it in his face. He wasn't trolling. I'd believe you if I saw carriers winning more than 1 out of 50 games. Right, because what we expect from the best players in the world (particularly those named Genius) is to not innovate, and never figure out new ways to use units unexpectedly. And when these best players in the world do happen to find these very surprising strategies, we expect them to use them in on the Ladder or something to make sure they're given away before they really count. Perfect logic.
No, perfect logic is believing that one naming himself a "Genius" actually makes them such a thing, Genius had a good run, just like forGG had when he won his OSL, but he was always regarded as "barely code S".Surprising strategies with carriers have proven to be bogus for many reasons, many times, the most resounding one being their build time, ipso facto, you can't surprise anyone in a starcraft game when your strategy takes 15 minutes to unfold.
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On March 03 2012 20:39 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:37 setzer wrote:On March 03 2012 20:35 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:33 setzer wrote:On March 03 2012 20:25 ikh wrote:On March 03 2012 20:22 setzer wrote:
They can celebrate without making GSL finals look like amateur hour. i think this getting Personally Annoyed and Insulted about seeing shows of emotion, humour and personality instead of Professional Business Additudes is a pretty distinctly american thing. do realise your views on such things are not objective or absolute, especially when they're in the minority. I don't know any professional sport where during the course of a match/event players of opposing sides put on what amounts to a comedy show. You wouldn't see KeSPA allow this. You wouldn't see an NFL franchise tolerate this. I probably wouldn't mind as much if this happened in ro32 group stage or something, but come on, this was the finals. I expected a little more composure. You should probably read the article John the Translator wrote on how KeSPA is the Blight of eSports. Bringing KeSPA into the discussion does little to make your points look any better, unfortunately. By "Blight of eSports" do you mean bringing professional gaming to the closest we've been to a culturally accepted level? As in John said KeSPA was terrible and evil and money grubbing and didn't allow expansion of esports outside of Korea due to blackmail and threatened lawsuits.
and they were mean to GOMtv and John is a GOMtv employee.
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On March 03 2012 20:50 Bengui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:48 Asha` wrote:On March 03 2012 20:47 Philipd122 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:44 Bengui wrote:On March 03 2012 20:36 kmh wrote:On March 03 2012 20:33 niekoz wrote:
I realy don't like the spoiler on the frontpage, wasn't able to catch it live Then don't visit TL until you've seen the games. So you can never visit TL at all ? =( Bookmark www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft2 and hope it doesnt appear on the left..... or just scroll down the homepage and check the "hide spoilers" box at teh bottom. Nice ! Is it tied with your account, or a cookie ?
Its tied to your account, I checked it on my PC and when I visit TL on my phone its also checked.
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Before the final I was hoping for DRG to win it but somehow when Genius did his carriers thingy I started wishing that he would win it all ^^
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GGs, DRG did well ^^
As usual people find reason to complain about anything
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meh woke up too late and now I need to wati for the VODs to be up cO caaaaannnntt waaaaiiiiiihhhhtt.
But the pre game show was awesome ! :D
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Games were good/great/ok?
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How long does it usually take for the VODs? I'm waiting too.
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On March 03 2012 20:50 Bengui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:48 Asha` wrote:On March 03 2012 20:47 Philipd122 wrote:On March 03 2012 20:44 Bengui wrote:On March 03 2012 20:36 kmh wrote:On March 03 2012 20:33 niekoz wrote:
I realy don't like the spoiler on the frontpage, wasn't able to catch it live Then don't visit TL until you've seen the games. So you can never visit TL at all ? =( Bookmark www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft2 and hope it doesnt appear on the left..... or just scroll down the homepage and check the "hide spoilers" box at teh bottom. Nice ! Is it tied with your account, or a cookie ?
Cookie, just tested it. No need to be logged in at all.
EDIT: You can test it in a "Off the record" window.
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