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On February 27 2012 12:59 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:56 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On February 27 2012 12:49 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I'm so sad
T_T
poor drg
I want to give him a hug. This week he'll be pocketing at least $23,820, with the potential to make that $50,550 if he beats Genius. I think he'll be feeling ok shortly  Thanks, man. I needed that. I am so emotionally invested in this player, that every major loss like this seems devastating.(defintion of a true fan!!) I was literally depressed for 2 days after Blizzcup, lol
I know that feeling man, I'm exactly the same with MKP. Its a terrible feeling, but when the high come around boy is a high! I've been so excited and nervous all weekend! For MKP to beat both Losira and DRG especially, both players that have convincingly taken him apart in recent times, makes it so much sweater.
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On February 27 2012 13:10 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:01 Hakkesshu wrote:
To be honest, it was also anticlimatic because Tastosis made it that way. Artosis was talking shit about MKP on his gas and all of a sudden MKP won... that's why everyone was surprised because the caster did a poor job at describing the actual game. Not only that but it seemed that both Artosis/Tasteless were pissed when MKP won... instead of congratulating him, they said nothing. It's like MKP had won but they don't want to give him the prize... WTF.
If it was Rob/JP/Wheat/Doa/Wolf/Khaldor casting, it would have been a lot different since they love MKP.
I don't hate Tastosis but their bias against MKP is so freaking annoying ever since the beginning. And this is more obvious from them, when MKP finally broke the curse. I know exactly what you mean. I can't comment on the atmosphere of the final and the ceremony (or lack thereof) because due to dodgy filtering at work I missed the very end. Its pretty clear that Artosis has never caught on to all of the love the MKP gets for his stylized play style, his sick micro and him just being adorable. Artosis has always loved the players who have a real understanding of the game. Players like Nestea, MVP, MMA, DRG etc. Its quite noticeable in GSL, whenever MKP comes around, they usually have the same copy paste stuff... "He's really solid", "creative builds" bla bla bla. He pretty much crushed through It doesn't usually bother me. Good example would be Ro32 this GSL. He absolutely crushed his way through aLive and Happy easily with really solid play, and he didn't even really get a mention from them. It usually doesn't bother me, but to hear how they acted during and after the final is fairly disappointing.
I think they were disappointed in the
-bunker rush, bunker rush, bunker rush, c-c-c-combo breaker early 3rd...
seems like every fighting game spammer I've played online
low, low, low, low, mid
MKP did not win a macro game convincingly in this finals...in contrast to MMA at blizzcup.
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Oh come on guys, are you really still going on about Tastetosis being biased?
Of course they're biased. It's part of their appeal as casters whether you realize it conciously or not. Whether or not you agree with their opinions is entirely irrelevant, the fact is that because they have their opinions it makes them relatable and makes people feel comfortable watching them. It also provides people with a side form of entertainment trying to guess who Artosis is going to be hyping up THIS season.
As far as MKP goes, he is so unbelievably popular already he can afford to deal with a bit of anti-hype from Tastetosis. It isn't as though their bias is going to make people who have a neutral opinion about him like him any less, and the reverse is also true.
No matter how much Tastetosis hypes up Puma he will STILL be despised by Protoss players everywhere. I don't care how often Tastetosis hypes up Nestea, I know he's mortal and he can be beaten.
But it's their sincere personalities that make us like them, they don't feel plastic they don't feel like actors. They feel like guys who legitimately love this game and have legitimate opinions albeit oftentimes negative because that's a natural part of being someone who loves this game.
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I think here's Artosis's issue with MKP: If you compare MVP's play to MKP, MVP gives off an aura of solidity. When he does something, you can see kind of the reasoning behind it and say "wow, that's smart!" Whereas MKP seems to play mostly by instinct or game-feel. When you watch him, most of it's either "he's attacking now, and it probably shouldn't work but somehow it does" or "how come he always comes out of these engagements better than you think he should?". There's no "Artosis is going to steal this build moment." so it's easy to dismiss MKP as "well, he just gets aggressive and hopes his opponent makes mistakes"
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"I think he is a gimmicky player and he will fall off in 2012" Idra, referring to MKP.
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On February 27 2012 13:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:10 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On February 27 2012 13:01 Hakkesshu wrote:
To be honest, it was also anticlimatic because Tastosis made it that way. Artosis was talking shit about MKP on his gas and all of a sudden MKP won... that's why everyone was surprised because the caster did a poor job at describing the actual game. Not only that but it seemed that both Artosis/Tasteless were pissed when MKP won... instead of congratulating him, they said nothing. It's like MKP had won but they don't want to give him the prize... WTF.
If it was Rob/JP/Wheat/Doa/Wolf/Khaldor casting, it would have been a lot different since they love MKP.
I don't hate Tastosis but their bias against MKP is so freaking annoying ever since the beginning. And this is more obvious from them, when MKP finally broke the curse. I know exactly what you mean. I can't comment on the atmosphere of the final and the ceremony (or lack thereof) because due to dodgy filtering at work I missed the very end. Its pretty clear that Artosis has never caught on to all of the love the MKP gets for his stylized play style, his sick micro and him just being adorable. Artosis has always loved the players who have a real understanding of the game. Players like Nestea, MVP, MMA, DRG etc. Its quite noticeable in GSL, whenever MKP comes around, they usually have the same copy paste stuff... "He's really solid", "creative builds" bla bla bla. He pretty much crushed through It doesn't usually bother me. Good example would be Ro32 this GSL. He absolutely crushed his way through aLive and Happy easily with really solid play, and he didn't even really get a mention from them. It usually doesn't bother me, but to hear how they acted during and after the final is fairly disappointing. I think they were disappointed in the -bunker rush, bunker rush, bunker rush, c-c-c-combo breaker early 3rd... seems like every fighting game spammer I've played online low, low, low, low, mid MKP did not win a macro game convincingly in this finals...in contrast to MMA at blizzcup.
Games 4 and 6 were macro games that MKP won.
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On February 27 2012 13:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:10 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On February 27 2012 13:01 Hakkesshu wrote:
To be honest, it was also anticlimatic because Tastosis made it that way. Artosis was talking shit about MKP on his gas and all of a sudden MKP won... that's why everyone was surprised because the caster did a poor job at describing the actual game. Not only that but it seemed that both Artosis/Tasteless were pissed when MKP won... instead of congratulating him, they said nothing. It's like MKP had won but they don't want to give him the prize... WTF.
If it was Rob/JP/Wheat/Doa/Wolf/Khaldor casting, it would have been a lot different since they love MKP.
I don't hate Tastosis but their bias against MKP is so freaking annoying ever since the beginning. And this is more obvious from them, when MKP finally broke the curse. I know exactly what you mean. I can't comment on the atmosphere of the final and the ceremony (or lack thereof) because due to dodgy filtering at work I missed the very end. Its pretty clear that Artosis has never caught on to all of the love the MKP gets for his stylized play style, his sick micro and him just being adorable. Artosis has always loved the players who have a real understanding of the game. Players like Nestea, MVP, MMA, DRG etc. Its quite noticeable in GSL, whenever MKP comes around, they usually have the same copy paste stuff... "He's really solid", "creative builds" bla bla bla. He pretty much crushed through It doesn't usually bother me. Good example would be Ro32 this GSL. He absolutely crushed his way through aLive and Happy easily with really solid play, and he didn't even really get a mention from them. It usually doesn't bother me, but to hear how they acted during and after the final is fairly disappointing. I think they were disappointed in the -bunker rush, bunker rush, bunker rush, c-c-c-combo breaker early 3rd... seems like every fighting game spammer I've played online low, low, low, low, mid MKP did not win a macro game convincingly in this finals...in contrast to MMA at blizzcup.
I can understand that. To be honest, regardless of whether MKP is good enough to beat DRG in a full on macro game, I don't believe that MKP really thought he could. He played macro games against DRG in Code S recently and he was taken apart comprehensively.
Tbh though, and this is all personal preference of course, but I still prefer to see Marine/Tank/Medivac > Mech in TvZ so I wasn't really disappointed how the games went. When you're an emotionally invested in a player as I am in MKP, then its quite easy to look solely towards the result rather than the quality of games.
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Did the new patch changes play an important role in any of the games?
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On February 27 2012 13:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Did the new patch changes play an important role in any of the games?
Thorzain was playing a very viking/thor heavy composition to deal with Broods as opposed to snipe. That was interesting to watch. But apart from that I don't think so.
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On February 27 2012 13:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Did the new patch changes play an important role in any of the games?
From the sound of things, none of the games of the finals went that long where Ghosts would have normally come into play.
But I didn't actually see the series so I don't know for sure.
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On February 27 2012 13:17 Sub40APM wrote:
"I think he is a gimmicky player and he will fall off in 2012" Idra, referring to MKP.
Replace gimmicky with predictable and IdrA is talking about himself.
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I have a question, since I don't have much time to watch SC at all (i barely watch any tournaments, although I have passes to GSL and MLG, I catch up on VODs eventually, but in the very little free time I do get, i play, not watch.).
Can people tell me what high level (like nestea, losira, idra, etc, not less knowns, dont have time, sorry) series occured of the following:
- ZvZ (my fav match-up, both to watch and play, and I need help currently in the mu)
- ZvP
- the best ZvT standard ZvT series (terran gets fast third and does a rine/tank timing, and the game is fairly standard in opening).
Thanks.
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The reason people love MKP is the same reason why artosis dislikes him. He plays in a really risky way, and his games are almost always fast paced. He has great decision making and micro, which he utilizes all the time. He's really a player that knows his strengths and sticks to them. It's basically the same with HongUn. Artosis doesn't like them because they don't play the same passive "thinking" style that MVP, Nestea, Sage etc. do, so they are going against how they're "supposed to play" (according to Artosis + idra)
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On February 27 2012 13:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Did the new patch changes play an important role in any of the games?
Eh, almost all the games lasted less than 20 minutes so it didn't. Foreign terrans used a lot more mech, and then there was MKP + Ganzi who are known for being really aggressive. MVP didn't have a good showing so none of the games were very long.
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On February 27 2012 13:33 IMoperator wrote:
The reason people love MKP is the same reason why artosis dislikes him. He plays in a really risky way, and his games are almost always fast paced. He has great decision making and micro, which he utilizes all the time. He's really a player that knows his strengths and sticks to them. It's basically the same with HongUn. Artosis doesn't like them because they don't play the same passive "thinking" style that MVP, Nestea, Sage etc. do, so they are going against how they're "supposed to play" (according to Artosis + idra)
... hmmmmmmmm. Gonna have to disagree there. Sometimes he has good decision-making, but just as often, his decision-making looks absolutely terrible.
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On February 27 2012 13:42 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:33 IMoperator wrote:
The reason people love MKP is the same reason why artosis dislikes him. He plays in a really risky way, and his games are almost always fast paced. He has great decision making and micro, which he utilizes all the time. He's really a player that knows his strengths and sticks to them. It's basically the same with HongUn. Artosis doesn't like them because they don't play the same passive "thinking" style that MVP, Nestea, Sage etc. do, so they are going against how they're "supposed to play" (according to Artosis + idra) ... hmmmmmmmm. Gonna have to disagree there. Sometimes he has good decision-making, but just as often, his decision-making looks absolutely terrible.
He's risky.
So when the risk pays off he looks like a genius and when the risk fails and he loses he looks like a terrible decision maker.
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On February 27 2012 13:42 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:33 IMoperator wrote:
The reason people love MKP is the same reason why artosis dislikes him. He plays in a really risky way, and his games are almost always fast paced. He has great decision making and micro, which he utilizes all the time. He's really a player that knows his strengths and sticks to them. It's basically the same with HongUn. Artosis doesn't like them because they don't play the same passive "thinking" style that MVP, Nestea, Sage etc. do, so they are going against how they're "supposed to play" (according to Artosis + idra) ... hmmmmmmmm. Gonna have to disagree there. Sometimes he has good decision-making, but just as often, his decision-making looks absolutely terrible.
Yeah I agree that his decision making is bad at times.
But you have to consider that when he chooses to do things he doesn't have all that knowledge we have and with the knowledge he has that choice is actually the choice that gives him the best chance of winning.
Or MKP has a ridiculously high confidence in his ability to micro that he thinks he can effectively do those pushes or make those choices to not make as many of certain units etc etc.
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Well, let's put it this way MKP co-fans, at least Artosis can't jinx him. Hahahaha. GRATZ to MKP!
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On February 27 2012 13:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Did the new patch changes play an important role in any of the games?
I don't even remember seeing any ghostplay from this MLG.
All I know is that it sure didn't seem to hinder Polt from destroying Stephano in the Assembly finals...
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On February 27 2012 13:17 Sub40APM wrote:
"I think he is a gimmicky player and he will fall off in 2012" Idra, referring to MKP.
considering the biased crap that comes out of his mouth all the time i don't know why you even bother posting quotes.
On the bright side mkp has alot of growth to go still, so wait till next year, he will be a true beast.
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