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tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
February 27 2012 03:20 GMT
#5841
On February 27 2012 12:11 shadymmj wrote:
it's NOT okay for casters to pick the winner even before the games start!

if you have to have a favourite, at least balance it out - one roots for DRG, and one roots for MKP.

And seriously, why would you root against MKP. He's been around since forever, he has a trademark style that makes him very entertaining to watch, he basically (re)invented the extreme marine micro pressure thing - boxer's legacy, he has a huge list of achievements (although very few golds), and he's had some bad luck which kept him away from the golds. Basically he's in the top 5 korean club - other than mvp, mma, mc and nestea, who else would you pick?

Plus he's s super nice guy. I can understand MC's Alpha personality, bravado and cockiness driving nerds mad but MKP is chill as fuck no reason to hate on him.
MC for president
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
February 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#5842
MKP- making me question my sexuality since 2010
post to be
TL+ Member
metzcs
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria11 Posts
February 27 2012 03:22 GMT
#5843
On February 27 2012 12:21 cam connor wrote:
MKP- making me question my sexuality since 2010


Haha seconded xD
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 03:32:48
February 27 2012 03:32 GMT
#5844
If it was MVP who floated that 500 gas, Artosis would have been "OMG this build is so brilliant, look how is perfectly well thought, I'm so stealing this build" etc etc.
He doesn't like MMA and MKP much, that's all...or always underestimate them (except when they lose, in that case it's the winner that beat the best player in the world so he's the new best player in the world). But it's ok, I mean when you know it it's cool, at least it doesn't disturb me.
herberck
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany44 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 06:02:25
February 27 2012 03:44 GMT
#5845
rOse_PedaL
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Korea (South)450 Posts
February 27 2012 03:46 GMT
#5846
marinekingprime
oooh marinekingprime
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ MKP HWAITING ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 27 2012 03:49 GMT
#5847
I'm so sad
T_T

poor drg
I want to give him a hug.
moo...for DRG
metzcs
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria11 Posts
February 27 2012 03:54 GMT
#5848
On February 27 2012 10:20 CeriseCherries wrote:
1. Lol mlg curse still very very stronk
2. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.. kong is 1st?... hmmm wait MLG arena = not a major event so ok?


Damn right it's a major event win for MKP; Won't stand for it being called a special event considering the sick competition present no matter how many upsets or unexpectec results may or may not have occured.
joocybaneling
Profile Joined January 2012
67 Posts
February 27 2012 03:55 GMT
#5849
On February 27 2012 12:49 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I'm so sad
T_T

poor drg
I want to give him a hug.



better catch him before he hops on the plane heading back to SK!


both played amazingly this tournament, so much mind games back and forth. Overall I think DRG just executes everything better than MKP, but MKP is just extremely creative with his builds, and some of the best decision making I have seen from a pro, hence why he finally got his first gold, a well-deserved gold too, as DRG is definitely a Zerg Titan!

(Actually since he out-mindgamed DRG I think MKP actually might be the smartest player ATM, excluding Genius of course.)
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
February 27 2012 03:56 GMT
#5850
On February 27 2012 12:49 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I'm so sad
T_T

poor drg
I want to give him a hug.


This week he'll be pocketing at least $23,820, with the potential to make that $50,550 if he beats Genius. I think he'll be feeling ok shortly
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 27 2012 03:59 GMT
#5851
On February 27 2012 12:56 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:49 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I'm so sad
T_T

poor drg
I want to give him a hug.


This week he'll be pocketing at least $23,820, with the potential to make that $50,550 if he beats Genius. I think he'll be feeling ok shortly



Thanks, man.
I needed that.
I am so emotionally invested in this player, that every major loss like this seems devastating.(defintion of a true fan!!)
I was literally depressed for 2 days after Blizzcup,
lol
moo...for DRG
Hakkesshu
Profile Joined April 2011
United States78 Posts
February 27 2012 04:01 GMT
#5852
To be honest, it was also anticlimatic because Tastosis made it that way. Artosis was talking shit about MKP on his gas and all of a sudden MKP won... that's why everyone was surprised because the caster did a poor job at describing the actual game. Not only that but it seemed that both Artosis/Tasteless were pissed when MKP won... instead of congratulating him, they said nothing. It's like MKP had won but they don't want to give him the prize... WTF.

If it was Rob/JP/Wheat/Doa/Wolf/Khaldor casting, it would have been a lot different since they love MKP.

I don't hate Tastosis but their bias against MKP is so freaking annoying ever since the beginning. And this is more obvious from them, when MKP finally broke the curse.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
February 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#5853
On February 27 2012 12:59 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:56 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:49 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I'm so sad
T_T

poor drg
I want to give him a hug.


This week he'll be pocketing at least $23,820, with the potential to make that $50,550 if he beats Genius. I think he'll be feeling ok shortly



Thanks, man.
I needed that.
I am so emotionally invested in this player, that every major loss like this seems devastating.(defintion of a true fan!!)
I was literally depressed for 2 days after Blizzcup,
lol

That's how I feel about MarineKing.

You can imagine how happy I am right now.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
February 27 2012 04:05 GMT
#5854
Yes!!! I was hoping yesterday that he would come through, and if not then Violet or DRG to win, so MKP first, and then DRG second is perfect for me! I'm glad MKP got another win at a time when many people have been saying he isn't one of the top terrans anymore. :D
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 27 2012 04:06 GMT
#5855
On February 27 2012 11:31 scudst0rm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 11:28 Bagration wrote:
On February 27 2012 11:20 nvs. wrote:
When Nestea or MVP play, everything they do is gloryfied to be genius, even it's totally common or simple. But MKP, he must've messed up with them.


This is the worst part about Tastosis. And then too many fanboys take their word as God and repeat it themselves because "Tastosis said so"


I agree. I got nothing against Nestea, but I find it bothersome whenever someone starts talking about how Zergbong created the universe or something. He's a good player but keep your talk reality-based please.


You heard the man, fun is not allowed.


Damn right it isnt! But seriously, it's all about moderation, and people take it too far all the time. Tried having a discussion with someone on why Nestea is no longer the best zerg player in the world, and his argument was literally because Nestea is god.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
February 27 2012 04:06 GMT
#5856
On February 27 2012 12:32 MrCon wrote:
If it was MVP who floated that 500 gas, Artosis would have been "OMG this build is so brilliant, look how is perfectly well thought, I'm so stealing this build" etc etc.
He doesn't like MMA and MKP much, that's all...or always underestimate them (except when they lose, in that case it's the winner that beat the best player in the world so he's the new best player in the world). But it's ok, I mean when you know it it's cool, at least it doesn't disturb me.

This is so true, Artosis fakes that he likes MKP and MMA and its really apparent. The only reason he doesn't treat them like Hongun is because they are the biggest fan favorites.
joocybaneling
Profile Joined January 2012
67 Posts
February 27 2012 04:07 GMT
#5857
On February 27 2012 12:59 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:56 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:49 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I'm so sad
T_T

poor drg
I want to give him a hug.


This week he'll be pocketing at least $23,820, with the potential to make that $50,550 if he beats Genius. I think he'll be feeling ok shortly



Thanks, man.
I needed that.
I am so emotionally invested in this player, that every major loss like this seems devastating.(defintion of a true fan!!)
I was literally depressed for 2 days after Blizzcup,
lol


lol at least that Bo7 against MMA was the absolute best TvZ series in the history of the universe.......this Bo7 vs. MKP, not so much.


but like I said, I love both MKP and DRG, and MKP totally deserves his gold, but I wished we didn't have to see game #5 from him lol.
Kazuki
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands121 Posts
February 27 2012 04:07 GMT
#5858
On February 27 2012 11:58 SpecFire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 11:49 DirtyCash wrote:
On February 27 2012 11:19 TeeTS wrote:
It's really amazing how much people are posting here with no idea about how SC2 works.

1st: 12/14 rax vs Zerg: This is very economical opening, cause it forces the zerg to a lot of zerglings and at least one spine early on. therefore terran sacrifices some eco of his own, but it is worth it, if you have a good marine/scv control (and MKP has definately the best in the world, so this is a good opening for him per definiton!), you can expand easily behind that, since you still have a very good income due to constant scv production.

2nd: the fast 3rd in game 6: Did you ever think about what would've happened if DRG scouted the 3rd and made f.e. a roach attack on it early on? MKP did not slide a single scv to this base until he secured the entrance with a lot of siege tanks and marines. the timing of this base was so fast, that it would've been finished, when the roaches arrive there. And then he simply flies back to his natural or main and is fine, cause zerg sacrificed a lot of eco for an attack which didn't do anything because MKP was well defended with a bunker and already a tank out and siege mode nearly done.

MKP didn't play his absolute best, but was near to it, due to nerves as he mentioned. You should not forget that he had the Shakuras game in the bag, if he didn't make that huge blunder, overcomitting into DRG's natural, which made absolutely no sense and was a big sign, that he was nervous and wanted the game to end right there. To come back from such a disappointing lose shows a strong spirit and high skill. He mixed up very agressive styles, several builds and good economic openers. he controlled the final battle very well. DRG took a huge risk, teching this fast to hive and got punished for that.

Overall it was a good tournament, a good production, BUT yes: Where was the fucking winners ceremony. It would've been nice to see the Top 8 alltogether again. I think we have a great Top8 with nice players, that can be happy about really good performances, like violet or Huk (who made his personal little comeback, after doing not so well lately).

And yes. I didn't like Tastosis trashing on MKP even when he won. But they just don't like him, it's allways the same, if you watch the gsl, you know that. They never say a positive word about him, that really fits, only such general phrases like "he is solid, blabla", but are so critical about him (like this 500gas issue: HE wanted to go for dual upgrades, a siege tank and siegemode: these are 425 gas in total!!! And you complain about him having 500 gas? STUPID?). This is the only point I hate about Tastosis. These two are so biased. When Nestea or MVP play, everything they do is gloryfied to be genius, even it's totally common or simple. But MKP, he must've messed up with them. I actual don't know why, maybe they think his playstyle is gimmicky, or they blame him for his stupid decision making, which he showed for a period of time, or they just don't like his character. I DON'T KNOW, BUT PLEASE, don't let this affect your casting this much.

And finally, the best player in the world discussion: Can any1 say, that there is acutally a best player in the world right now? This is just not possible, because these very top guys are playing so much games between them in a short period of time, and taking games off each other day by day. Even naming a top10 could be hard right now, because there are so many good players out there. I think the top16 of the current GSL season makes a good top16 of the world with very little exceptions. But anything behind this, like a top 5 or so in any form, will be so questionable, that it doesn't make sense to discuss about it.


YES YES YES. Thanks for wording nicely the thoughts that my 3rd-language English cant express. The "500 gas" bit by Artosis was completely wrong. The whole game was poorly read, from that opening to the end, where both players knew full well it was over but the casters had no idea what was going on. I dont even blame Tasteless anymore at this point, he seems to follow anything Artosis starts, players bias included.


Quoted for truth. Tastosis bias is starting to get freaking annoying. but they dont care and they wont read this so it doesnt matter. and this goes for MMA too

MMA wins blizzard cup: "DRG should have won 6-7 of those games"
MMA wins GSL: MVP was tired
MMA rolls through ro 32 and 16: eh
Alive beats MMA while MMA is sick: BEST PLAYER OMG SO HOT BEST TVT OGMGMGMGMGM

fuck im so pisssed off about that
whatever, #rage


Yeah, only giving credit MMA has a lot of heart... Pissed me off as well, since he's saying it everywhere, on SoTG, on GSL, on his stream~~ Even when MMA beat Oz. I really like Artosis, but I can't stand his biased opinions.
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 04:15:14
February 27 2012 04:10 GMT
#5859
On February 27 2012 13:01 Hakkesshu wrote:
To be honest, it was also anticlimatic because Tastosis made it that way. Artosis was talking shit about MKP on his gas and all of a sudden MKP won... that's why everyone was surprised because the caster did a poor job at describing the actual game. Not only that but it seemed that both Artosis/Tasteless were pissed when MKP won... instead of congratulating him, they said nothing. It's like MKP had won but they don't want to give him the prize... WTF.

If it was Rob/JP/Wheat/Doa/Wolf/Khaldor casting, it would have been a lot different since they love MKP.

I don't hate Tastosis but their bias against MKP is so freaking annoying ever since the beginning. And this is more obvious from them, when MKP finally broke the curse.


I know exactly what you mean. I can't comment on the atmosphere of the final and the ceremony (or lack thereof) because due to dodgy filtering at work I missed the very end.

Its pretty clear that Artosis has never caught on to all of the love the MKP gets for his stylized play style, his sick micro and him just being adorable. Artosis has always loved the players who have a real understanding of the game. Players like Nestea, MVP, DRG etc.

Its quite noticeable in GSL, whenever MKP comes around, they usually have the same copy paste stuff... "He's really solid", "creative builds" bla bla bla. He pretty much crushed through It doesn't usually bother me. Good example would be Ro32 this GSL. He absolutely crushed his way through aLive and Happy easily with really solid play, and he didn't even really get a mention from them.

It usually doesn't bother me, but to hear how they acted during and after the final is fairly disappointing.

Edit: correction
eXNewB
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada291 Posts
February 27 2012 04:13 GMT
#5860
On February 27 2012 10:17 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 10:14 eXNewB wrote:
I don't get why people call it cheese, ya hes bunker rushing but most of the time hes also building an expo.... so if it fails he falls back. Isn't cheese when after you start that strategy , if it doesn't work no matter what you lose?

Wanted DRG to win but grats MKP! Fan of him as well!

It's not cheese even if MKP's not expanding. Its a reaction to hatch first. Every terran should open this way to hatch first. Just like every zerg should six pool nexus first.


It's crazy how so many people don't realize this and complain about stupid things like balance. Why wouldn't you do the best strategy?
THERES NO WAY HE CAN STOP THOSE HYDRAS!
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