MLG Winter Arena Day 3 Final Day - Page 292

On February 27 2012 11:28 Bagration wrote:


I agree. I got nothing against Nestea, but I find it bothersome whenever someone starts talking about how Zergbong created the universe or something. He's a good player but keep your talk reality-based please.

On February 27 2012 11:31 scudst0rm wrote:


You heard the man, fun is not allowed.

On February 27 2012 11:38 zefreak wrote:


I don't mind the nestea jokes because they obviously aren't serious. It's worse when they jump on the hype train (x has best y of the world) and it's obvious they aren't joking. Tasteless seems to have such a shallow understanding of the game at times, completely misreading situations and yet so confident that such and such player is the best in the world. It's frustrating, and as a fan of both as people and a casting duo it is the one thing that gets on my nerves. Other than that, I think they are great and Artosis has excellent game knowledge.

On February 27 2012 11:42 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:


I think a lot of people would agree that the length Tastosis takes it to at times exceeds what many would consider 'fun'.

On February 27 2012 11:16 windsupernova wrote:
Sigh do I need to remind people about this?

On a TL LR thread:

Victory on early game is due to cheese
Victory on mid game is due to N bases all ins
Victory on late game is due to imba

Nobody actually wins a match of starcraft here. They all just cheese, all in or when they actually win its because OP

On February 27 2012 11:38 zefreak wrote:


I don't mind the nestea jokes because they obviously aren't serious. It's worse when they jump on the hype train (x has best y of the world) and it's obvious they aren't joking. Tasteless seems to have such a shallow understanding of the game at times, completely misreading situations and yet so confident that such and such player is the best in the world. It's frustrating, and as a fan of both as people and a casting duo it is the one thing that gets on my nerves. Other than that, I think they are great and Artosis has excellent game knowledge.

On February 27 2012 11:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


No, I don't think so.

On February 27 2012 11:19 TeeTS wrote:
It's really amazing how much people are posting here with no idea about how SC2 works.

1st: 12/14 rax vs Zerg: This is very economical opening, cause it forces the zerg to a lot of zerglings and at least one spine early on. therefore terran sacrifices some eco of his own, but it is worth it, if you have a good marine/scv control (and MKP has definately the best in the world, so this is a good opening for him per definiton!), you can expand easily behind that, since you still have a very good income due to constant scv production.

2nd: the fast 3rd in game 6: Did you ever think about what would've happened if DRG scouted the 3rd and made f.e. a roach attack on it early on? MKP did not slide a single scv to this base until he secured the entrance with a lot of siege tanks and marines. the timing of this base was so fast, that it would've been finished, when the roaches arrive there. And then he simply flies back to his natural or main and is fine, cause zerg sacrificed a lot of eco for an attack which didn't do anything because MKP was well defended with a bunker and already a tank out and siege mode nearly done.

MKP didn't play his absolute best, but was near to it, due to nerves as he mentioned. You should not forget that he had the Shakuras game in the bag, if he didn't make that huge blunder, overcomitting into DRG's natural, which made absolutely no sense and was a big sign, that he was nervous and wanted the game to end right there. To come back from such a disappointing lose shows a strong spirit and high skill. He mixed up very agressive styles, several builds and good economic openers. he controlled the final battle very well. DRG took a huge risk, teching this fast to hive and got punished for that.

Overall it was a good tournament, a good production, BUT yes: Where was the fucking winners ceremony. It would've been nice to see the Top 8 alltogether again. I think we have a great Top8 with nice players, that can be happy about really good performances, like violet or Huk (who made his personal little comeback, after doing not so well lately).

And yes. I didn't like Tastosis trashing on MKP even when he won. But they just don't like him, it's allways the same, if you watch the gsl, you know that. They never say a positive word about him, that really fits, only such general phrases like "he is solid, blabla", but are so critical about him (like this 500gas issue: HE wanted to go for dual upgrades, a siege tank and siegemode: these are 425 gas in total!!! And you complain about him having 500 gas? STUPID?). This is the only point I hate about Tastosis. These two are so biased. When Nestea or MVP play, everything they do is gloryfied to be genius, even it's totally common or simple. But MKP, he must've messed up with them. I actual don't know why, maybe they think his playstyle is gimmicky, or they blame him for his stupid decision making, which he showed for a period of time, or they just don't like his character. I DON'T KNOW, BUT PLEASE, don't let this affect your casting this much.

And finally, the best player in the world discussion: Can any1 say, that there is acutally a best player in the world right now? This is just not possible, because these very top guys are playing so much games between them in a short period of time, and taking games off each other day by day. Even naming a top10 could be hard right now, because there are so many good players out there. I think the top16 of the current GSL season makes a good top16 of the world with very little exceptions. But anything behind this, like a top 5 or so in any form, will be so questionable, that it doesn't make sense to discuss about it.

On February 27 2012 11:45 jmbthirteen wrote:

Actually I think Tastosis have gotten much better about it as in they are joking about it more now where before it seemed like they weren't. Look, Nestea is the Chuck Norris on sc2. Also now that they say these things to Nestea himself, its even funnier.

On February 27 2012 11:49 DirtyCash wrote:


YES YES YES. Thanks for wording nicely the thoughts that my 3rd-language English cant express. The "500 gas" bit by Artosis was completely wrong. The whole game was poorly read, from that opening to the end, where both players knew full well it was over but the casters had no idea what was going on. I dont even blame Tasteless anymore at this point, he seems to follow anything Artosis starts, players bias included.

On February 27 2012 11:19 TeeTS wrote:
It's really amazing how much people are posting here with no idea about how SC2 works.

1st: 12/14 rax vs Zerg: This is very economical opening, cause it forces the zerg to a lot of zerglings and at least one spine early on. therefore terran sacrifices some eco of his own, but it is worth it, if you have a good marine/scv control (and MKP has definately the best in the world, so this is a good opening for him per definiton!), you can expand easily behind that, since you still have a very good income due to constant scv production.

2nd: the fast 3rd in game 6: Did you ever think about what would've happened if DRG scouted the 3rd and made f.e. a roach attack on it early on? MKP did not slide a single scv to this base until he secured the entrance with a lot of siege tanks and marines. the timing of this base was so fast, that it would've been finished, when the roaches arrive there. And then he simply flies back to his natural or main and is fine, cause zerg sacrificed a lot of eco for an attack which didn't do anything because MKP was well defended with a bunker and already a tank out and siege mode nearly done.

MKP didn't play his absolute best, but was near to it, due to nerves as he mentioned. You should not forget that he had the Shakuras game in the bag, if he didn't make that huge blunder, overcomitting into DRG's natural, which made absolutely no sense and was a big sign, that he was nervous and wanted the game to end right there. To come back from such a disappointing lose shows a strong spirit and high skill. He mixed up very agressive styles, several builds and good economic openers. he controlled the final battle very well. DRG took a huge risk, teching this fast to hive and got punished for that.

Overall it was a good tournament, a good production, BUT yes: Where was the fucking winners ceremony. It would've been nice to see the Top 8 alltogether again. I think we have a great Top8 with nice players, that can be happy about really good performances, like violet or Huk (who made his personal little comeback, after doing not so well lately).

And yes. I didn't like Tastosis trashing on MKP even when he won. But they just don't like him, it's allways the same, if you watch the gsl, you know that. They never say a positive word about him, that really fits, only such general phrases like "he is solid, blabla", but are so critical about him (like this 500gas issue: HE wanted to go for dual upgrades, a siege tank and siegemode: these are 425 gas in total!!! And you complain about him having 500 gas? STUPID?). This is the only point I hate about Tastosis. These two are so biased. When Nestea or MVP play, everything they do is gloryfied to be genius, even it's totally common or simple. But MKP, he must've messed up with them. I actual don't know why, maybe they think his playstyle is gimmicky, or they blame him for his stupid decision making, which he showed for a period of time, or they just don't like his character. I DON'T KNOW, BUT PLEASE, don't let this affect your casting this much.

And finally, the best player in the world discussion: Can any1 say, that there is acutally a best player in the world right now? This is just not possible, because these very top guys are playing so much games between them in a short period of time, and taking games off each other day by day. Even naming a top10 could be hard right now, because there are so many good players out there. I think the top16 of the current GSL season makes a good top16 of the world with very little exceptions. But anything behind this, like a top 5 or so in any form, will be so questionable, that it doesn't make sense to discuss about it.

On February 27 2012 11:19 TeeTS wrote:
It's really amazing how much people are posting here with no idea about how SC2 works.

1st: 12/14 rax vs Zerg: This is very economical opening, cause it forces the zerg to a lot of zerglings and at least one spine early on. therefore terran sacrifices some eco of his own, but it is worth it, if you have a good marine/scv control (and MKP has definately the best in the world, so this is a good opening for him per definiton!), you can expand easily behind that, since you still have a very good income due to constant scv production.

2nd: the fast 3rd in game 6: Did you ever think about what would've happened if DRG scouted the 3rd and made f.e. a roach attack on it early on? MKP did not slide a single scv to this base until he secured the entrance with a lot of siege tanks and marines. the timing of this base was so fast, that it would've been finished, when the roaches arrive there. And then he simply flies back to his natural or main and is fine, cause zerg sacrificed a lot of eco for an attack which didn't do anything because MKP was well defended with a bunker and already a tank out and siege mode nearly done.

MKP didn't play his absolute best, but was near to it, due to nerves as he mentioned. You should not forget that he had the Shakuras game in the bag, if he didn't make that huge blunder, overcomitting into DRG's natural, which made absolutely no sense and was a big sign, that he was nervous and wanted the game to end right there. To come back from such a disappointing lose shows a strong spirit and high skill. He mixed up very agressive styles, several builds and good economic openers. he controlled the final battle very well. DRG took a huge risk, teching this fast to hive and got punished for that.

Overall it was a good tournament, a good production, BUT yes: Where was the fucking winners ceremony. It would've been nice to see the Top 8 alltogether again. I think we have a great Top8 with nice players, that can be happy about really good performances, like violet or Huk (who made his personal little comeback, after doing not so well lately).

And yes. I didn't like Tastosis trashing on MKP even when he won. But they just don't like him, it's allways the same, if you watch the gsl, you know that. They never say a positive word about him, that really fits, only such general phrases like "he is solid, blabla", but are so critical about him (like this 500gas issue: HE wanted to go for dual upgrades, a siege tank and siegemode: these are 425 gas in total!!! And you complain about him having 500 gas? STUPID?). This is the only point I hate about Tastosis. These two are so biased. When Nestea or MVP play, everything they do is gloryfied to be genius, even it's totally common or simple. But MKP, he must've messed up with them. I actual don't know why, maybe they think his playstyle is gimmicky, or they blame him for his stupid decision making, which he showed for a period of time, or they just don't like his character. I DON'T KNOW, BUT PLEASE, don't let this affect your casting this much.

And finally, the best player in the world discussion: Can any1 say, that there is acutally a best player in the world right now? This is just not possible, because these very top guys are playing so much games between them in a short period of time, and taking games off each other day by day. Even naming a top10 could be hard right now, because there are so many good players out there. I think the top16 of the current GSL season makes a good top16 of the world with very little exceptions. But anything behind this, like a top 5 or so in any form, will be so questionable, that it doesn't make sense to discuss about it.

On February 27 2012 11:47 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:


I mirror exactly what you had to say.

Artosis is an enjoyable as ever to listen too. But I'm quite over Tasteless to be perfectly honest.

As far back as about 3/4 through last year, I started noticing a lot of annoying aspects of his casting.

I'm not trying to judge or anything, there are plenty of reasons why he may not be able to cast to the ability that he used to. But its more so that he not only misreads many situations, but then Artosis is sort of forced to agree with him because he can't exactly say "No, Tasteless, you're wrong".

I get that Artosis is the analytical caster, and Tasteless works off of that. But I honestly can't stand him a lot of the time when he's casting with anyone other than Artosis. He just seems utterly lost and doesn't really have any idea of how the game is playing out.

I'm not trying to bash or anything, I'm still a big fan of Tastosis. But its getting to the point where I'll happily switch away from his casting to an alternative stream is he's casting with anyone other than Artosis.