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On February 23 2012 21:31 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 21:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 23 2012 21:25 Kharnage wrote:On February 23 2012 21:21 secretary bird wrote:
Its true the SC community is very racist towards terran players, a lot of double standards and so on but that will never change until terran is the worst race in Code S for a considerable amount of time since nothing else affects the communities opinion nearly as much. That's funny cause i get told all the time I only win cause of my race (protoss)  But I think the anti-terran sentiment will start to drop off now that terran aren't winning everything all the time. Well terran is the least succesful race in the foreign scene and outside of code s actually. I agree that Code S is the most important league balance wise because it's the best of the best, but some people make it sound like terran is dominating everywhere at all levels of play, when in fact they are the least succesful everywhere outside of code S. And that is backed up by blizzard's statement in their blog post. It's annoying because last month zerg had the highest overall win rate of all 3 races and people were still mainly complaining about terran. That doesn't even make any sense at all. Not sure if that applies to me, but to be clear, I fully acknowledge that Terran isn't dominating everywhere at all levels of play, and I even addressed that in my post, saying that I'm solely talking about the GSL. And that's all that really matters to me as a spectator - the highest level of play.
I have no problem with that at all. Terran was too strong at Code S level play and had to be nerfed. However all the people whining about T OP also are implying that terran is the strongest race at amateur level, which is flatout wrong. Terran is actually the weakest race outside of Code S and that is evident by the amount of foreign torunament wins (last one was like when... 1 year ago by Thorzain TSL 3?) and blizzard ladder stats (just read the blog post in which david kim explicitly states that terran is doing the worst of all 3 races on ladder.
If people were to acknowledge that then Im completely fine with the argument that terran has to be nerfed solely for Code S, but as long as people blame balance when they lose to the weakest amateur race then I am of the opinion that there is something wrong with them and not the game.
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On February 23 2012 21:20 Kharnage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 20:58 Logo2010 wrote:
I feel Gumiho is the better player but DRG has more experience in the crunch matches. Gumiho absolutely destroyed DRG in the first two games. Then nerves got him and he didn't defend properly against zergling run bys. The game sense by DRG to go for early pressure was smart and Gumiho if he had the gamesense to prepare for that would of easily won the match. For Gumiho to force DRG to go for early pressure indicates the pressure DRG was feeling that he couldn't win a macro game against Gumiho. That is a sign of quality right there.
I think Gumiho is definitely GSL champion material. The multidrop multitasking was amazing to see. With more experience in tournament finals he will get the much needed game sense to win these important matches. I disagree. I think gumiho had prepared a fast double expand build exactly the same as naniwa was going FFE vs Leenock at MLG. DRG switch tactics to beat the build, and Gumiho didn't have a response. Once DRG switched to an aggressive opening the ball is in Gumiho's court to switch it up again.Failure to do so means he can prepare for a matchup fantastically, but has less flexibility which really shows as the number of matches in a series grows. He would never have won a bo7 let alone a bo9.
I think you just read the first line of my post. Of course DRG deserved to win, he had the experience, knowledge and skill to change things up like you said. Something that comes with experience at the highest level. I don't think DRG anticipated Gumiho to have such terrible defenses in game 4, where zerglings constantly kept ravaging his expo with the tiny ramp. That was just bad by Gumiho, nerves IMO and losing helions to roaches at the watchtower in game 5.
The decision making and thinking on the fly wasn't there. After winning two macro games against DRG, he should of thought more like MVP, ie how can I lose this if it doesn't go to a macro game and prepare for that. DRG cleverly switched it up, and Gumiho didn't see it coming until it was too late. My point is I don't think DRG has an answer for mega multidrop if it gets to that stage, and DRG being DRG limited that as much as possible in the last 3 games.
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On February 23 2012 21:28 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 21:25 Kharnage wrote:On February 23 2012 21:21 secretary bird wrote:
Its true the SC community is very racist towards terran players, a lot of double standards and so on but that will never change until terran is the worst race in Code S for a considerable amount of time since nothing else affects the communities opinion nearly as much. That's funny cause i get told all the time I only win cause of my race (protoss) But I think the anti-terran sentiment will start to drop off now that terran aren't winning everything all the time. Well terran is the least succesful race in the foreign scene and outside of code s actually. I agree that Code S is the most important league balance wise because it's the best of the best, but some people make it sound like terran is dominating everywhere at all levels of play, when in fact they are the least succesful everywhere outside of code S. And that is backed up by blizzard's statement in their blog post. It's annoying because last month zerg had the highest overall win rate of all 3 races and people were still mainly complaining about terran. That doesn't even make any sense at all.
Terran being so OP and abussive at launch really hurt the race overall. Most of the times in a TvP or TvZ i cheer for the non-terran just out of habit.
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On February 23 2012 21:28 Logo2010 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 21:09 FakeDeath wrote:On February 23 2012 20:58 Logo2010 wrote:
I feel Gumiho is the better player but DRG has more experience in the crunch matches. Gumiho absolutely destroyed DRG in the first two games. Then nerves got him and he didn't defend properly against zergling run bys. The game sense by DRG to go for early pressure was smart and Gumiho if he had the gamesense to prepare for that would of easily won the match. For Gumiho to force DRG to go for early pressure indicates the pressure DRG was feeling that he couldn't win a macro game against Gumiho. That is a sign of quality right there.
I think Gumiho is definitely GSL champion material. The multidrop multitasking was amazing to see. With more experience in tournament finals he will get the much needed game sense to win these important matches. It wasn't nerve. He was on tilt IMO.To leave your natural unguarded is one of the most basic mistake you should not make.It even happen a couple of time and it cost him the game. DRG have done a lot of all-ins and DRG can win macro games.Did you even watch Game 3? Terran these days like take a quick 3rd CC.DRG just read that nicely and counter it with roach bane all-in.DRG could have won Game 2 had he not miscontrol his baneling. Well game 3 DRG was on the brink of going out so if the roach pressure was held off more easily, Gumiho would of taken it. It wasn't a real macro game in the sense that DRG took a huge advantage from the moment the roaches attacked from the rest of the game, it was Gumiho playing catchup for the rest of the game. Game 4 and 5 were nerves IMO. He needed to put pressure on to protect his 3rd orbital, but the game plan for early marauders was scouted and yeah there was no zergling defense which was really bad, consider how great he defended 3 bases in game 1, he couldn't defend his single expo with the tiny ramp, real bad mistake there, several times. BTW Gumiho held the roach/baneling all in with 2 siege tanks, so if he was a bit more prepared, maybe use a scan or something to scout DRG's base he could of prepared much earlier, held without crippling losses, and gone on to take the game using his incredible multidrop multitasking.
The problem is in Game 2.DRG roach bane all-in build was suppose to kill off Gumiho 3rd quick CC build after his initial 2 rax rush.Artosis mentioned had DRG controlled his baneling properly and targeted down the bunker at the main.DRG should have won.
Game 3 DRG was never on the brink of going out.The roaches were meant to pressure and not to kill.DRG got up to a quick
hive for BLs.Gumiho did those mass drops into to abuse the Bl mobility but DRG had units there to cover it.
Gumiho ONLY started viking production after his natural was being sieged and also his 4th.That was pretty much the tipping point.
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On February 23 2012 21:36 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 21:33 Rampoon wrote:On February 23 2012 21:26 HolyArrow wrote:On February 23 2012 21:20 ChaosTerran wrote:
terran whining? lmao if theres one race that is not played by notorious whiners it's terran.
Haha, you can't be serious. There's been tons of "Protoss OP" whining in these LR threads. Terrans have been whining a ton lately, the only difference is that they're actually still doing fine in the GSL (again, 2 Ts in the semifinals), especially compared to how badly Z or P was doing at the height of their respective whining. If you think Terrans haven't been whining lately (both about the new patch and about Protoss) then you're so far in denial that there's no point in even continuing this conversation because I can't argue with someone who just blatantly ignores obvious facts. In the past, sure, there's been less Terran whining than Protoss or Zerg whining, but that's conveniently because Terran dominated the GSL last year. Now that Terran's been taken down a notch we see that Terran players are merely human and whine just as much as Toss or Zerg players. Only difference is that I see a ton of Terran whining when their race went from dominant to just average, while I saw the Zerg and Toss whining when their races were legitimately doing terribly in the GSL. To be clear, I'm not factoring personal ladder experiences into this at all. I'm solely talking about the GSL. Wow. Just wow. If you think moaning about a (commonly held belief) over nerf to ghosts - i assume this is the recent whining you are talking about - which is a fairly major blow to an already weak T late game vs Z (vs Inf/BL/C) compared to months and months of zergs bitching about everything a terran does is the same then i just don't know what to say. There are more issues involved with why T has been dominating GSLs over the last year than T being OP. You're missing my point. I actually think the ghost nerf was done wrong and I feel that the whining was completely justified. However, my mentioning of the whining from the patch was not because I felt the whining was unjustified; it was merely to illustrate that Terran players do whine (justified or not), something that ChaosTerran seems to be denying.
And here you are, whining about terran players whining. Its like we have come a full circle.
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On February 23 2012 21:36 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 21:33 Rampoon wrote:On February 23 2012 21:26 HolyArrow wrote:On February 23 2012 21:20 ChaosTerran wrote:
terran whining? lmao if theres one race that is not played by notorious whiners it's terran.
Haha, you can't be serious. There's been tons of "Protoss OP" whining in these LR threads. Terrans have been whining a ton lately, the only difference is that they're actually still doing fine in the GSL (again, 2 Ts in the semifinals), especially compared to how badly Z or P was doing at the height of their respective whining. If you think Terrans haven't been whining lately (both about the new patch and about Protoss) then you're so far in denial that there's no point in even continuing this conversation because I can't argue with someone who just blatantly ignores obvious facts. In the past, sure, there's been less Terran whining than Protoss or Zerg whining, but that's conveniently because Terran dominated the GSL last year. Now that Terran's been taken down a notch we see that Terran players are merely human and whine just as much as Toss or Zerg players. Only difference is that I see a ton of Terran whining when their race went from dominant to just average, while I saw the Zerg and Toss whining when their races were legitimately doing terribly in the GSL. To be clear, I'm not factoring personal ladder experiences into this at all. I'm solely talking about the GSL. Wow. Just wow. If you think moaning about a (commonly held belief) over nerf to ghosts - i assume this is the recent whining you are talking about - which is a fairly major blow to an already weak T late game vs Z (vs Inf/BL/C) compared to months and months of zergs bitching about everything a terran does is the same then i just don't know what to say. There are more issues involved with why T has been dominating GSLs over the last year than T being OP. You're missing my point. I actually think the ghost nerf was done wrong and I feel that the whining was completely justified. However, my mentioning of the whining from the patch was not because I felt the whining was unjustified; it was merely to illustrate that Terran players do whine (justified or not), something that ChaosTerran seems to be denying.
Okay, then I agree with you.
What i don't agree with is that when T whines, we whine about nerfs to our race when we feel that we dont deserve them (read we are not all MVP level).
We dont do what zergs are allowed to do apparently which is to pound on terran/t players saying that whenever we win its cause our race is op, or we are cheeseing all the time or we are terrible but our race carries us through every single win (im talking GSL ts whatever).
As has been said many times -
When T wins = t op, ez race, terrible player carried by t
Z wins = amazing play, great player, always against the odds
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On February 23 2012 21:14 how2TL wrote:
Bad players don't come back from 0-2.
You have to respect DRG's mentalality if anything, especially compared to certain other Zergs.
This a thousand times.
It's not like DRG tilted hardcore did some bullshit 6 pool or worker rush. He put a lot of thought and effort in his allins.
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On February 23 2012 21:37 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 21:31 HolyArrow wrote:On February 23 2012 21:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 23 2012 21:25 Kharnage wrote:On February 23 2012 21:21 secretary bird wrote:
Its true the SC community is very racist towards terran players, a lot of double standards and so on but that will never change until terran is the worst race in Code S for a considerable amount of time since nothing else affects the communities opinion nearly as much. That's funny cause i get told all the time I only win cause of my race (protoss) But I think the anti-terran sentiment will start to drop off now that terran aren't winning everything all the time. Well terran is the least succesful race in the foreign scene and outside of code s actually. I agree that Code S is the most important league balance wise because it's the best of the best, but some people make it sound like terran is dominating everywhere at all levels of play, when in fact they are the least succesful everywhere outside of code S. And that is backed up by blizzard's statement in their blog post. It's annoying because last month zerg had the highest overall win rate of all 3 races and people were still mainly complaining about terran. That doesn't even make any sense at all. Not sure if that applies to me, but to be clear, I fully acknowledge that Terran isn't dominating everywhere at all levels of play, and I even addressed that in my post, saying that I'm solely talking about the GSL. And that's all that really matters to me as a spectator - the highest level of play. I have no problem with that at all. Terran was too strong at Code S level play and had to be nerfed. However all the people whining about T OP also are implying that terran is the strongest race at amateur level, which is flatout wrong. Terran is actually the weakest race outside of Code S and that is evident by the amount of foreign torunament wins (last one was like when... 1 year ago by Thorzain TSL 3?) and blizzard ladder stats (just read the blog post in which david kim explicitly states that terran is doing the worst of all 3 races on ladder. If people were to acknowledge that then Im completely fine with the argument that terran has to be nerfed solely for Code S, but as long as people blame balance when they lose to the weakest amateur race then I am of the opinion that there is something wrong with them and not the game.
Yeah, I agree with you and I can understand your frustration. It's an unfortunate situation that the skill-to-efficacy distribution for Terran ended up in such a way, but my personal feelings are that I'd rather see a balanced Code S and imbalance for lower skill levels rather than the other way around. Obviously, it would be ideal to have balance at all levels, but that's just an ideal that's so hard to achieve.
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On February 23 2012 21:34 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 20:55 Grovbolle wrote:Poll: Are the ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) Jokes annoying/getYes (56) 54% No (36) 35% Haven't noticed them (12) 12% 104 total votes Your vote: Are the ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) Jokes annoying/get (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Haven't noticed them
Should say: annoying/getting old So apparently people don't like these that much, which is fine, then I won't keep doing them. Not worth it spending a lot of time coming up with them and coming up with ones for each outcome when the majority doesn't notice/like them.
thank you.
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and congratulations to drg for winning this gsl. :D joke aside but i don't see genius outplaying drg in something else then bo3. 
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On February 23 2012 21:36 Abrafred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 21:34 Grovbolle wrote:On February 23 2012 20:55 Grovbolle wrote:Poll: Are the ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) Jokes annoying/getYes (56) 54% No (36) 35% Haven't noticed them (12) 12% 104 total votes Your vote: Are the ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) Jokes annoying/get (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Haven't noticed them
Should say: annoying/getting old So apparently people don't like these that much, which is fine, then I won't keep doing them. Not worth it spending a lot of time coming up with them and coming up with ones for each outcome when the majority doesn't notice/like them. lol you sound like my wife.
im in the house cleaning all saturday while you hang out with your friends. then you come home and dont even put off your dirty clothes and shoes. why do i do all the cleaning when you dont even notice it!
;-)
on topic:
poor marineking and nestea. stuck in code a due to being in the group of death with the 2 later finalists.
guess with mkp in alives ro4 spot he would have better chances to advance (probably would have gone through group stages only to lose to mma though)
On February 23 2012 21:42 lacho_u wrote:and congratulations to drg for winning this gsl. :D joke aside but i don't see genius outplaying drg in something else then bo3.
they play for the "who is the real mvp ace" prize (yeah.. and gsl championship and money, but thats only sideeffects). i think genius wont take that too lightly.
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On February 23 2012 21:42 lacho_u wrote:and congratulations to drg for winning this gsl. :D joke aside but i don't see genius outplaying drg in something else then bo3.
yep he only just outclased alive who is playing the best terran in the world right now in a bo5.
-.-
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On February 23 2012 21:39 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 21:28 Logo2010 wrote:On February 23 2012 21:09 FakeDeath wrote:On February 23 2012 20:58 Logo2010 wrote:
I feel Gumiho is the better player but DRG has more experience in the crunch matches. Gumiho absolutely destroyed DRG in the first two games. Then nerves got him and he didn't defend properly against zergling run bys. The game sense by DRG to go for early pressure was smart and Gumiho if he had the gamesense to prepare for that would of easily won the match. For Gumiho to force DRG to go for early pressure indicates the pressure DRG was feeling that he couldn't win a macro game against Gumiho. That is a sign of quality right there.
I think Gumiho is definitely GSL champion material. The multidrop multitasking was amazing to see. With more experience in tournament finals he will get the much needed game sense to win these important matches. It wasn't nerve. He was on tilt IMO.To leave your natural unguarded is one of the most basic mistake you should not make.It even happen a couple of time and it cost him the game. DRG have done a lot of all-ins and DRG can win macro games.Did you even watch Game 3? Terran these days like take a quick 3rd CC.DRG just read that nicely and counter it with roach bane all-in.DRG could have won Game 2 had he not miscontrol his baneling. Well game 3 DRG was on the brink of going out so if the roach pressure was held off more easily, Gumiho would of taken it. It wasn't a real macro game in the sense that DRG took a huge advantage from the moment the roaches attacked from the rest of the game, it was Gumiho playing catchup for the rest of the game. Game 4 and 5 were nerves IMO. He needed to put pressure on to protect his 3rd orbital, but the game plan for early marauders was scouted and yeah there was no zergling defense which was really bad, consider how great he defended 3 bases in game 1, he couldn't defend his single expo with the tiny ramp, real bad mistake there, several times. BTW Gumiho held the roach/baneling all in with 2 siege tanks, so if he was a bit more prepared, maybe use a scan or something to scout DRG's base he could of prepared much earlier, held without crippling losses, and gone on to take the game using his incredible multidrop multitasking. The problem is in Game 2.DRG roach bane all-in build was suppose to kill off Gumiho 3rd quick CC build after his initial 2 rax rush.Artosis mentioned had DRG controlled his baneling properly and targeted down the bunker at the main.DRG should have won. Game 3 DRG was never on the brink of going out.The roaches were meant to pressure and not to kill.DRG got up to a quick hive for BLs.Gumiho did those mass drops into to abuse the Bl mobility but DRG had units there to cover it. Gumiho ONLY started viking production after his natural was being sieged and also his 4th.That was pretty much the tipping point.
Yeah I'm getting some games mixed up  I need to watch the VODs.
I think games 4 and 5 were nerves and Gumiho started to feel the pressure and didn't perform his best. DRG knew exactly what to do in that situation and turned it around amazingly. It's going to be a great finals. Still much love for Gumiho, he played great in the first 2 games.
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On February 23 2012 21:41 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 21:36 HolyArrow wrote:On February 23 2012 21:33 Rampoon wrote:On February 23 2012 21:26 HolyArrow wrote:On February 23 2012 21:20 ChaosTerran wrote:
terran whining? lmao if theres one race that is not played by notorious whiners it's terran.
Haha, you can't be serious. There's been tons of "Protoss OP" whining in these LR threads. Terrans have been whining a ton lately, the only difference is that they're actually still doing fine in the GSL (again, 2 Ts in the semifinals), especially compared to how badly Z or P was doing at the height of their respective whining. If you think Terrans haven't been whining lately (both about the new patch and about Protoss) then you're so far in denial that there's no point in even continuing this conversation because I can't argue with someone who just blatantly ignores obvious facts. In the past, sure, there's been less Terran whining than Protoss or Zerg whining, but that's conveniently because Terran dominated the GSL last year. Now that Terran's been taken down a notch we see that Terran players are merely human and whine just as much as Toss or Zerg players. Only difference is that I see a ton of Terran whining when their race went from dominant to just average, while I saw the Zerg and Toss whining when their races were legitimately doing terribly in the GSL. To be clear, I'm not factoring personal ladder experiences into this at all. I'm solely talking about the GSL. Wow. Just wow. If you think moaning about a (commonly held belief) over nerf to ghosts - i assume this is the recent whining you are talking about - which is a fairly major blow to an already weak T late game vs Z (vs Inf/BL/C) compared to months and months of zergs bitching about everything a terran does is the same then i just don't know what to say. There are more issues involved with why T has been dominating GSLs over the last year than T being OP. You're missing my point. I actually think the ghost nerf was done wrong and I feel that the whining was completely justified. However, my mentioning of the whining from the patch was not because I felt the whining was unjustified; it was merely to illustrate that Terran players do whine (justified or not), something that ChaosTerran seems to be denying. And here you are, whining about terran players whining. Its like we have come a full circle.
By that logic, you can't really discuss whining at all because then that discussion will just be labeled as whining and then nobody can talk about anything without being labeled a whiner. See, I can do it too: Hey, look at Bagi, whining about me whining about Terran players whining! Oh, and since I anticipate a response along the lines of "No, I wasn't whining, I was merely pointing out that you were whining" - yeah, that's what my defense is as well. I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out that Terran players are whining.
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On February 23 2012 21:41 Rampoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 21:36 HolyArrow wrote:On February 23 2012 21:33 Rampoon wrote:On February 23 2012 21:26 HolyArrow wrote:On February 23 2012 21:20 ChaosTerran wrote:
terran whining? lmao if theres one race that is not played by notorious whiners it's terran.
Haha, you can't be serious. There's been tons of "Protoss OP" whining in these LR threads. Terrans have been whining a ton lately, the only difference is that they're actually still doing fine in the GSL (again, 2 Ts in the semifinals), especially compared to how badly Z or P was doing at the height of their respective whining. If you think Terrans haven't been whining lately (both about the new patch and about Protoss) then you're so far in denial that there's no point in even continuing this conversation because I can't argue with someone who just blatantly ignores obvious facts. In the past, sure, there's been less Terran whining than Protoss or Zerg whining, but that's conveniently because Terran dominated the GSL last year. Now that Terran's been taken down a notch we see that Terran players are merely human and whine just as much as Toss or Zerg players. Only difference is that I see a ton of Terran whining when their race went from dominant to just average, while I saw the Zerg and Toss whining when their races were legitimately doing terribly in the GSL. To be clear, I'm not factoring personal ladder experiences into this at all. I'm solely talking about the GSL. Wow. Just wow. If you think moaning about a (commonly held belief) over nerf to ghosts - i assume this is the recent whining you are talking about - which is a fairly major blow to an already weak T late game vs Z (vs Inf/BL/C) compared to months and months of zergs bitching about everything a terran does is the same then i just don't know what to say. There are more issues involved with why T has been dominating GSLs over the last year than T being OP. You're missing my point. I actually think the ghost nerf was done wrong and I feel that the whining was completely justified. However, my mentioning of the whining from the patch was not because I felt the whining was unjustified; it was merely to illustrate that Terran players do whine (justified or not), something that ChaosTerran seems to be denying. Okay, then I agree with you. What i don't agree with is that when T whines, we whine about nerfs to our race when we feel that we dont deserve them ( read we are not all MVP level). We dont do what zergs are allowed to do apparently which is to pound on terran/t players saying that whenever we win its cause our race is op, or we are cheeseing all the time or we are terrible but our race carries us through every single win (im talking GSL ts whatever). As has been said many times -
When T wins = t op, ez race, terrible player carried by t
Z wins = amazing play, great player, always against the odds
Sadly to say,the game should be balance at the highest level of play although the nerf was a tad bit too much.
In WC3,Moon invented the mass expansion strategy and it was nerfed by Blizz.Just an example.
As for T wins,someone complains.Z wins that guy played great etc.
Those are just double standards you should not even bother with them.
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On February 23 2012 20:57 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 20:56 bittman wrote:On February 23 2012 20:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 23 2012 20:53 tomatriedes wrote:On February 23 2012 20:51 Alvis wrote:
The best toss vs the best zerg in the GSL final ! 'Best toss' is pretty debatable, I don't think there's any clear best toss at the moment, but yeah it should be good. Best toss changes every week To be fair, the better term with Genius right now would be "Hottest Protoss" since he's on a beasty streak compared to other Protoss players. Consistency means a lot for the best title, so it's only ever "the best" if no-one (except maybe the super diehard fanboys) can debate with you. Well Genius has been in Code S FOREVER. Before he was just happy with staying in Code S but lately he's been practicing much more and he is willing to dominate the scene
I'm pretty sure he mentioned in an interview that ever since he started playing with a more relaxed schedule he was playing better, which I understanded as that he's practicing less and not more.
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On February 23 2012 21:34 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 20:55 Grovbolle wrote:Poll: Are the ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) Jokes annoying/getYes (56) 54% No (36) 35% Haven't noticed them (12) 12% 104 total votes Your vote: Are the ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) Jokes annoying/get (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Haven't noticed them
Should say: annoying/getting old So apparently people don't like these that much, which is fine, then I won't keep doing them. Not worth it spending a lot of time coming up with them and coming up with ones for each outcome when the majority doesn't notice/like them.
some were really good, like nada/creator, but don't force yourself if there is no good way to do this joke.
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I think Genius will take this
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On February 23 2012 21:46 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 21:41 Bagi wrote:On February 23 2012 21:36 HolyArrow wrote:On February 23 2012 21:33 Rampoon wrote:On February 23 2012 21:26 HolyArrow wrote:On February 23 2012 21:20 ChaosTerran wrote:
terran whining? lmao if theres one race that is not played by notorious whiners it's terran.
Haha, you can't be serious. There's been tons of "Protoss OP" whining in these LR threads. Terrans have been whining a ton lately, the only difference is that they're actually still doing fine in the GSL (again, 2 Ts in the semifinals), especially compared to how badly Z or P was doing at the height of their respective whining. If you think Terrans haven't been whining lately (both about the new patch and about Protoss) then you're so far in denial that there's no point in even continuing this conversation because I can't argue with someone who just blatantly ignores obvious facts. In the past, sure, there's been less Terran whining than Protoss or Zerg whining, but that's conveniently because Terran dominated the GSL last year. Now that Terran's been taken down a notch we see that Terran players are merely human and whine just as much as Toss or Zerg players. Only difference is that I see a ton of Terran whining when their race went from dominant to just average, while I saw the Zerg and Toss whining when their races were legitimately doing terribly in the GSL. To be clear, I'm not factoring personal ladder experiences into this at all. I'm solely talking about the GSL. Wow. Just wow. If you think moaning about a (commonly held belief) over nerf to ghosts - i assume this is the recent whining you are talking about - which is a fairly major blow to an already weak T late game vs Z (vs Inf/BL/C) compared to months and months of zergs bitching about everything a terran does is the same then i just don't know what to say. There are more issues involved with why T has been dominating GSLs over the last year than T being OP. You're missing my point. I actually think the ghost nerf was done wrong and I feel that the whining was completely justified. However, my mentioning of the whining from the patch was not because I felt the whining was unjustified; it was merely to illustrate that Terran players do whine (justified or not), something that ChaosTerran seems to be denying. And here you are, whining about terran players whining. Its like we have come a full circle. By that logic, you can't really discuss whining at all because then that discussion will just be labeled as whining and then nobody can talk about anything without being labeled a whiner. See, I can do it too: Hey, look at Bagi, whining about me whining about Terran players whining! Oh, and since I anticipate a response along the lines of "No, I wasn't whining, I was merely pointing out that you were whining" - yeah, that's what my defense is as well. I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out that Terran players are whining.
by this logic, you can say that the other people are just pointing out that Terrans are OP.
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I have a feeling that genius could win finals. Just like jakji won against leenock
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