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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:11 WilDMousE wrote: The questions now are: Will NASL take actions against Idra's behaviour? If so, which action will NASL take? Future Idra reaction? Why the hell would they "take action" against Idra and not Alive. They both did 2 allins that you can only win if your opponent happens to pick the wrong BO. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:13 Chewbacca. wrote: Why the hell would they "take action" against Idra and not Alive. They both did 2 allins that you can only win if your opponent happens to pick the wrong BO. Because alive played to win and idra played to lose | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:13 Chewbacca. wrote: Why the hell would they "take action" against Idra and not Alive. They both did 2 allins that you can only win if your opponent happens to pick the wrong BO. Exactly. If we want show matches that showcase macro games, Blizzard needs to balance cheese out of the game. Otherwise we'll see show matches like this. | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:13 Chewbacca. wrote: Why the hell would they "take action" against Idra and not Alive. They both did 2 allins that you can only win if your opponent happens to pick the wrong BO. Difference is...he didnt stand a CHANCE in the last 2....the lack of micro and just plain strive to win in the last 2 games just about showed it Almost as bad as probe rushing | ||
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architecture
United States643 Posts
It's not an autoGG, like when 6pool runs into a completed wall. | ||
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sharky246
1197 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:11 WilDMousE wrote: The questions now are: Will NASL take actions against Idra's behaviour? If so, which action will NASL take? Future Idra reaction? The only action NASL should take is to stop inviting Idra to showmatches, since he puts on poor shows. Nothing more. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:13 Chewbacca. wrote: Why the hell would they "take action" against Idra and not Alive. They both did 2 allins that you can only win if your opponent happens to pick the wrong BO. I think people are drawing paralels to Naniwa not 'trying' vs Nestea and the 'severe' repercussion he faced for that | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:14 Shikyo wrote: Because alive played to win and idra played to lose You don't know that.. Hell 6 pool is becoming more effective vs Terrans now then it ever was in the past, given how a lot of T are building raxes in random places in their bases/on the map to try and trick their opponent into thinking it is proxy 11/11.. | ||
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:08 Megabuster123 wrote: No it's not their job to entertain you. If they fail to entertain you then that particular player may not be asked to do these particular types of competitions again, but that's the penalty. Players shouldn't be penalized for doing whatever strategies they want in any other form than not being invited again. When someone contributes to their place of employment in a negative way they are usually fired and will likely will have a hard time finding a job where they can do the same thing. So if players are not asked to join showmatches or teams because they contribute in a negative way to the organization, how is that any different? Your arguing with someone who agree's with you but we just are looking at it from a different perspective. | ||
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:14 BronzeKnee wrote: Exactly. If we want show matches that showcase macro games, Blizzard needs to balance cheese out of the game. Otherwise we'll see show matches like this. Cheese is part of the game, blame the players not the game. Alive didn't wanna play a macro game. He knew he could just win doing cheesy builds because Idra can't hold them. Idra being on tilt decided to just say fuck it and 6 pool twice in a row. Not really that big of a deal. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:15 Dubzex wrote: I don't understand why people keep inviting Idra to do showmatches knowing full well that he will give you an anticlimactic series with a minimum of 1 ragequit without fail. you just answered your own question. Idra hate is one of the most potent forces in the SC2 universe, and I'd say a good fraction of any idra match viewers are eagerly anticipating him getting cheesed, tilting, and then writing something nasty as he quits the game. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:03 curtisfogle wrote: Alive cheesed twice, Idra cheesed twice. I don't see a problem here other than zerg cheeses aren't as successful. xD 6 pool is rarely a viable build, especially the 2nd time. The first time Idra 6 pooled, he might have won if it were not for aLive's incredible reaction to it. A good example of zerg cheese would be like a roach bust or a baneling bust. Cheesy, but very viable. | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:13 Chewbacca. wrote: Why the hell would they "take action" against Idra and not Alive. They both did 2 allins that you can only win if your opponent happens to pick the wrong BO. Don't be surprised about anything these days. I still remember back in NASL season 1 when Boxer played Idra and Idra didn't GG. People called for NASL to block him out of the tournament and for the GSL to do the same. So lets just wait and prepare for some posters to start bringing the GSL and other tournaments into this as well. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:10 BronzeKnee wrote: I've become more of a fan of Idra after this. I think we all wanted to see a good show match with macro games, but Alive came to cheese. Idra said I can flip coins too, but he wasn't as lucky, and that the was show match. I don't understand why everyone is blaming Idra. Alive shares 50% of the blame. Again imagine if Idra holds both of Alive's cheeses and it was best of three, Alive wouldn't be getting crap right now Idra is getting. People would be talking about how "smart" Alive played vs a macro player like Idra, and that maybe next time the coin flip his way... Idra's fans truly are blind apparently. When aLive "cheeses" he does so not intending to win the game, but to cause damage in order to transition into a stronger midgame and therefore a stronger lategame (probably intending to win in the midgame though). If Idra crumbles to early pressure and then aLive sees an opportunity for victory and embraces it, that's just Idra's fault for not being able to properly manage early pressure. This has happened to him for the longest time and one would assume a player who constantly trains and intends to enter code S at some point would have overcome this by now. And saying the second 6 pool was some sort of tactical mindgame is just crazy... what the hell are you thinking people, he clearly threw the game away. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:15 Chewbacca. wrote: You don't know that.. Hell 6 pool is becoming more effective vs Terrans now then it ever was in the past, given how a lot of T are building raxes in random places in their bases/on the map to try and trick their opponent into thinking it is proxy 11/11.. I don't know for sure, I play Protoss, but I imagine that 6 pool is a hard counter to proxy 11/11. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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templar rage
United States2509 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:15 Dubzex wrote: I don't understand why people keep inviting Idra to do showmatches knowing full well that he will give you an anticlimactic series with a minimum of 1 ragequit without fail. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if more people tune in to see the ragequit than to see the actual series. Whatever draws views, right? | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:13 Chewbacca. wrote: Why the hell would they "take action" against Idra and not Alive. They both did 2 allins that you can only win if your opponent happens to pick the wrong BO. 2 Base hellions is an allin? Problem is: its only cheese if a players get killed by it. I've seen so much koreans use a 'cheesy' opening vs each other, than professionally stop it, and continue further in the game until its a fullblown macro game. The inability to stop a cheesy tactics like bunker rushes/photon cannons/cloaked banshees is not the problem for the player using those tactics. All foreigners say you encounters loads of cheese on the korean ladder, its logical you find a way to defend it. If you don't, well you'll never see a macro game, and a lot of zero's on your side of the scoreboard. | ||
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