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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
February 13 2012 04:51 GMT
#641
On February 13 2012 13:46 Hypertension wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 13:43 Shikyo wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:40 Plansix wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:37 Bayyne wrote:
He clearly doesn't give a flying ass about this showmatch.


Why would he when his opponent is willing to coin flip his way to victory? Cheese is good every once and a while, but three game shows that he only cares about an easy win. If Alive gets it, yay for him. I was pretty much done after the 3rd game, though.

So...

Hypotethical situation:

If you have watched 500 replays of your opponent going 3 nexus before gateway in every single ZvT, would you play:
A. A macro game

B. Allin while knowing there's no way he can hold it


Best hypothetical ever.

Ya, he's definitely hacking.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
mahi29
Profile Joined May 2011
United States235 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 04:58:25
February 13 2012 04:51 GMT
#642
On February 13 2012 13:42 89andy wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:41 mahi29 wrote:
What a joke the games were. Are you kidding me? 2 6-pools? I don't play Z but is it really that hard to hold off a bunker rush as a pro player and hellions? I thought these were common openings that Z learned to deal with. And the last game was essentially the same as Naniwa's probe rush - 99.9% of it not working and just wanted to end it. I have lost all respect for IdrA - usually I empathize with him but no more. Jesus


well it was an 11/11 triple bunker. Thats the equivalent of a six pool except the success rate is MUCH higher. Both rely on catching opponent off guard and hope they don't scout it.


I didn't think it was as hard-hitting and all-in. Guess you learn something everyday Still Leenock v. MMA. MMA did the same thing and Leenock sac'd his natural and made 5-6 banelings and destroyed the bunkers and proceeded to win.. Sheth was talking about it when Khaldor asked for his response to that situation. It just irritates me that IdrA makes absolutely no effort whatsoever. I've seen others come back from the same situation. And even allowing those 2 games, 6 pool twice?? Like once I get it, but seriously are you really expecting a GSL level player to die to 6 pool twice.

Edit:

There's the game I was talking about. Leenock breaks the contain at around 3:10
The mind is its own place, and in it self Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
Pants536
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada16 Posts
February 13 2012 04:51 GMT
#643
On February 13 2012 13:50 Bagration wrote:
Slayers Boxer needs to give Idra a serious pep talk about spirit.


Eye of the tiger.
Love and Justice
Profile Joined August 2011
United States87 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 04:52:28
February 13 2012 04:51 GMT
#644
Alive won ESV TV Korean Weekly/Season 2/Weekly 2 by beating some crazy good player's in it and only won $100. Alive beat Idra a not so good player of late and get's $400. EZ money!
"No banglings, no problem." (ZeNEXLine)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 13 2012 04:52 GMT
#645
On February 13 2012 13:51 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 13:46 Hypertension wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:43 Shikyo wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:40 Plansix wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:37 Bayyne wrote:
He clearly doesn't give a flying ass about this showmatch.


Why would he when his opponent is willing to coin flip his way to victory? Cheese is good every once and a while, but three game shows that he only cares about an easy win. If Alive gets it, yay for him. I was pretty much done after the 3rd game, though.

So...

Hypotethical situation:

If you have watched 500 replays of your opponent going 3 nexus before gateway in every single ZvT, would you play:
A. A macro game

B. Allin while knowing there's no way he can hold it


Best hypothetical ever.

Ya, he's definitely hacking.

It's a typo allright! You need to think about the soul of it instead of concentrating on the unimportant materials that construct it
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
chrissummers
Profile Joined March 2011
243 Posts
February 13 2012 04:52 GMT
#646
On February 13 2012 13:48 Eschaton wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:41 durza wrote:
Im starting to hope idra just retires, it doesn't seem like he has enough respect for the game or for his peers to be successful at the level he thinks he should be. This is simply sad.



I just wish he'd do what he wants to do, go to college if thats it, or be a serious pro gamer if thats what he wants to do. But I can't stand to watch someone spend their life doing something while at the same time talking shit about how that thing is worthless "SC2 is a terrible game" etc. . If money is your only goal, you're not going to have any joy in it, and you're not going to do well against those that do.


he sort of is forced to play sc2. college? come on, idra does not fit there, I could never see him actually writing term papers etc. that is not who he is, he only does things on his conditions or not at all. that only works as long as you are in a leader position. if you are one of many, that mindset only leads to negative things.

which is why korea is not the place to be for him.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
February 13 2012 04:52 GMT
#647
I liked the show match, it was very entertaining! 10/10 would watch again! :p
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
February 13 2012 04:52 GMT
#648
is alive's cheese okay because it took longer to execute?
EG-TL!
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
February 13 2012 04:52 GMT
#649
On February 13 2012 13:44 dpL wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:44 B00ts wrote:
If I was sponsering IdrA, I would be livid.

Uhm, IdrA has always acted like an idiot and he's the most popular SC2 player in North America.

He's also just attracted an absurdly high amount of attention. Let's face it, Idra is just as infamous as he is famous, which only serves to appeal to sponsors.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
February 13 2012 04:52 GMT
#650
On February 13 2012 13:50 Jibba wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:46 Ruscour wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:44 JWD wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:41 Jibba wrote:
I actually wish NASL had decided to cancel the show match and find 2 other players instead, and issue a statement as to why it wasn't worth showing.

yeah, this is a great idea. if the games were pre-played there is really no excuse for putting the fans through this...we could have done with a 2-minute explanation instead of having to watch lings die outside a Terran wall. NASL seems to be pretending this was a "real series?

Are you blaming NASL because IdrA had a hissy fit? They announce the showmatch beforehand, how is it even slightly professional to start a broadcast with "oh, well IdrA vs aLive was shitty so we're going to show something else instead".

I swear to god NASL get accused of stuff that doesn't even come close to rational thought so often.

You make a forum post earlier in the day that says
Show nested quote +
Today's IdrA vs. aLive show match has been cancelled. The reason being that IdrA did not put forth a reasonable effort and the games are not enjoyable for anyone. Instead, we will be showing you a live match between aLive and Sheth!


It's not really a blame issue. It's just something that they could've done a bit better, with some quick thinking. Not really a major knock against NASL.
To be honest, NASL's Sunday Showmatches couldn't have hoped for a better explosion of publicity.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
February 13 2012 04:53 GMT
#651
On February 13 2012 13:50 JWD wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:49 RogerChillingworth wrote:
We're all disappointed we didn't see better games, but it's not idra's fault.

I think this is probably the best comment I've read on TL.net in a long time



Haha.

Indeed.
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
February 13 2012 04:53 GMT
#652
On February 13 2012 13:52 pt wrote:
is alive's cheese okay because it took longer to execute?

its okay because its punishing a players weakness?
BlindSight754
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada156 Posts
February 13 2012 04:53 GMT
#653
Idra didn't GG IN ANY OF THE GAMES! Anyone talking about that part as well?
mahi29
Profile Joined May 2011
United States235 Posts
February 13 2012 04:53 GMT
#654
On February 13 2012 13:52 chrissummers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 13:48 Eschaton wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:41 durza wrote:
Im starting to hope idra just retires, it doesn't seem like he has enough respect for the game or for his peers to be successful at the level he thinks he should be. This is simply sad.



I just wish he'd do what he wants to do, go to college if thats it, or be a serious pro gamer if thats what he wants to do. But I can't stand to watch someone spend their life doing something while at the same time talking shit about how that thing is worthless "SC2 is a terrible game" etc. . If money is your only goal, you're not going to have any joy in it, and you're not going to do well against those that do.


he sort of is forced to play sc2. college? come on, idra does not fit there, I could never see him actually writing term papers etc. that is not who he is, he only does things on his conditions or not at all. that only works as long as you are in a leader position. if you are one of many, that mindset only leads to negative things.

which is why korea is not the place to be for him.


I thought he got a full-ride to some engineering college (forget the name and too lazy to look it up right now) and turned it down to go to Korea to play BW?
The mind is its own place, and in it self Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
February 13 2012 04:53 GMT
#655
On February 13 2012 13:47 JWD wrote:
I wonder if tourneys will ever start striking agreements with players that require the players not to throw any games if they want to get paid for their appearances

That should absolutely happen. The problem then becomes what is a thrown game?

* Naniwa Proberushing? Definatly.
* IdrA 6Pooling on Dual Sight? Definatly.
* IdrA 6Pooling on Crossfire? Possibly.

* 4Gating in PvP on a map with a Ramp?
* Not 4Gating on Tal'Darim in PvP?

As you can see the slope is slippery and where do you draw the line?
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
February 13 2012 04:53 GMT
#656
On February 13 2012 13:35 bennyaus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 13:32 wklbishop wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:25 tree.hugger wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:20 89andy wrote:
blind countered .... what shit luck for idra

IdrA really has the worst luck of any progamer. It's incredible the amount of times that people luckbox wins off of him with blind counters, dumb strategies, and just by playing poorly, but by managing to play a little above the level that IdrA is playing at that given day.

Incredible that even despite all these handicaps, he's managed to win IEM Guangzhou, the ASUS ROG Stars Invite, MLG DC, and that he made the first three GSL seasons. Just think of what he'd have been able to accomplish if he wasn't so unlucky!


He is lucky IMO.

The fact that he has these weird, funny, raging stories and all this weird luck ingame as you described it around him attracts viewers and thus invites to these tournaments in the first place. I mean... who the hell gets THAT many chances at so many tournaments? (MC maybe?)

His terrible luck is actually amazing for his career, at least financially.


You missed the joke, champ.

The game has some limited luck, but IdrA's "bad luck" is him being a bad player. He is actually one of the luckiest players in the world because he gets invites and a salary based on the fact he gets viewers due to his hype. He has such a huge hype because he was the best BW foreigner at the SC2 release, and everyone always spoke about him. However, based on results, an objective fan can see that he is just now an average foreigner who doesn't gg. Worse than that, he is actively disrespectful of players who are better than him.


He's not at all a bad player. His mid-game is incredible, and his late game/macro is world class. He has and still does struggle with stopping early game aggression, and it's shame. A while back I noticed that he had gotten much better at stopping styles that revolve around early pressure, but his mind-set seems to have taken a turn for the worst once again. Instead of identifying the different kinds of cheese/pressure and figuring out how to stop it, he looks at it as cheesy bullshit that isn't worth playing out. On ladder, that can make sense here and there, but he almost NEVER puts in the effort to stop these rushes, so when it comes to him in a serious match setting, he fails to deal with it appropriately. It's a real shame because this is the one gaping hole in his game.

Once IdrA figures out how to properly deal with all of this early-game non-sense and safely make it to at least the mid-game 90% of the time, he will be back to the Code S level player we once knew. The return to the EG house will help him get his mind refocused, but the lack of crazy cheese and early pressure found only on Korean ladder will hurt.
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
February 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#657
Can someone explain to me how Idra did anything to warrant any type of punishment at all?
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 04:54:56
February 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#658
On February 13 2012 13:52 chrissummers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 13:48 Eschaton wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:41 durza wrote:
Im starting to hope idra just retires, it doesn't seem like he has enough respect for the game or for his peers to be successful at the level he thinks he should be. This is simply sad.



I just wish he'd do what he wants to do, go to college if thats it, or be a serious pro gamer if thats what he wants to do. But I can't stand to watch someone spend their life doing something while at the same time talking shit about how that thing is worthless "SC2 is a terrible game" etc. . If money is your only goal, you're not going to have any joy in it, and you're not going to do well against those that do.


he sort of is forced to play sc2. college? come on, idra does not fit there, I could never see him actually writing term papers etc. that is not who he is, he only does things on his conditions or not at all. that only works as long as you are in a leader position. if you are one of many, that mindset only leads to negative things.

which is why korea is not the place to be for him.


im sure if idra wanted to do school he could, hes still so young. if i recall he did have a scholarship out of high school for studying physics at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
byah!
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
February 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#659
I don't think Idra will ever be successful until he grows up. You could say he's already successful, but I disagree. Regardless, I can't see him winning anything bigger than an IEM or Homestory Cup until he matures.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
Lezt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 04:55:30
February 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#660
On February 13 2012 13:40 tree.hugger wrote:
This is the universe's way of telling me; "Get back to writing your spanish essay"


yah honestly the only positive that I can take out of this showmatch, is that it left me with plenty of time to study for midterms. it's just hard for me to understand how someone who has often said that hard work and perseverance are the biggest factors in being a pro can then just completely break down after a couple games.
EDIT: feel terrible for NASL, wish that they didn't have to pay him for this..
Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please - Niccolo Machiavelli
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