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pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
February 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#661
On February 13 2012 13:53 Falcor wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:52 pt wrote:
is alive's cheese okay because it took longer to execute?

its okay because its punishing a players weakness?


6 pool is pretty good against proxy rax
EG-TL!
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
February 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#662
On February 13 2012 13:51 tree.hugger wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:46 Hypertension wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:43 Shikyo wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:40 Plansix wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:37 Bayyne wrote:
He clearly doesn't give a flying ass about this showmatch.


Why would he when his opponent is willing to coin flip his way to victory? Cheese is good every once and a while, but three game shows that he only cares about an easy win. If Alive gets it, yay for him. I was pretty much done after the 3rd game, though.

So...

Hypotethical situation:

If you have watched 500 replays of your opponent going 3 nexus before gateway in every single ZvT, would you play:
A. A macro game

B. Allin while knowing there's no way he can hold it


Best hypothetical ever.

Ya, he's definitely hacking.


Yeah, definitely hacking. That player should be banned from bnet.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 04:55:36
February 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#663
On February 13 2012 13:52 tree.hugger wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:50 Jibba wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:46 Ruscour wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:44 JWD wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:41 Jibba wrote:
I actually wish NASL had decided to cancel the show match and find 2 other players instead, and issue a statement as to why it wasn't worth showing.

yeah, this is a great idea. if the games were pre-played there is really no excuse for putting the fans through this...we could have done with a 2-minute explanation instead of having to watch lings die outside a Terran wall. NASL seems to be pretending this was a "real series?

Are you blaming NASL because IdrA had a hissy fit? They announce the showmatch beforehand, how is it even slightly professional to start a broadcast with "oh, well IdrA vs aLive was shitty so we're going to show something else instead".

I swear to god NASL get accused of stuff that doesn't even come close to rational thought so often.

You make a forum post earlier in the day that says
Today's IdrA vs. aLive show match has been cancelled. The reason being that IdrA did not put forth a reasonable effort and the games are not enjoyable for anyone. Instead, we will be showing you a live match between aLive and Sheth!


It's not really a blame issue. It's just something that they could've done a bit better, with some quick thinking. Not really a major knock against NASL.
To be honest, NASL's Sunday Showmatches couldn't have hoped for a better explosion of publicity.

It's short term publicity. If they stand up for themselves and enact some discipline, they I might be more inclined to keep watching.
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Chaves
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Brazil315 Posts
February 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#664
On February 13 2012 13:52 pt wrote:
is alive's cheese okay because it took longer to execute?


Just to be clear, ar you dating idra for how long? -.-'
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
February 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#665
Idra, once again displaying he's not code s or even code a par anymore, and also displaying he has no control over his emotions. But hey, any publicity is good publicity, right?
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
February 13 2012 04:55 GMT
#666
I'm sure he knows people want to see macro games out of him too. Like, it's a showmatch, he must be aware that the whole point is people want to see these games. Showing up and then deciding you don't actually want to play is really a big fuck you to everyone watching. It's hard to understand why he's even still doing this with that attitude.
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
February 13 2012 04:55 GMT
#667
On February 13 2012 13:53 BlindSight754 wrote:
Idra didn't GG IN ANY OF THE GAMES! Anyone talking about that part as well?

i wish every tournament would follow rules of kespa, would be way better.
Chun-li since ST
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
February 13 2012 04:55 GMT
#668
All I gotta say is...



AHHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh Idra!
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
February 13 2012 04:55 GMT
#669
On February 13 2012 13:54 pt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 13:53 Falcor wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:52 pt wrote:
is alive's cheese okay because it took longer to execute?

its okay because its punishing a players weakness?


6 pool is pretty good against proxy rax


Unless you are terrible at decision making, micro, and crisis management. Then you lose even though the Terran didn't wall off.
Never make a hydralisk.
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
February 13 2012 04:55 GMT
#670
On February 13 2012 13:54 Chaves wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:52 pt wrote:
is alive's cheese okay because it took longer to execute?


Just to be clear, ar you dating idra for how long? -.-'


just to be clear, you're talking shit and not actually trying to prove me wrong?
EG-TL!
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
February 13 2012 04:55 GMT
#671
On February 13 2012 13:46 dmnum wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:45 Garth wrote:
did Idra 6 pool 3 games after he dies to cheese? can someone fill me in I didn't watch

yep can someone explain please? didnt watch



first game winter belshir 11/11 idra leaves. Second game daybreak double reactor hellions, alive moved out with 13ish hellions, tried to hide it but idra went lucky scouting it. But he only had soon to be +1 lings and a spine, tryed to wall, but with spines, one building spine got roasted, then all lings died one shot followed by all drones at the natural.
3rd crossfire, idra 6 pools, alive want to mindgame idra, by placing a racks out of the scouting pattern. Idra chases workers with lings so he can wallin a marine at the natural, idra not blocking the cc and goes for roaches, speedless lings get chased down and 3 roaches arrive when a marauder just enters a bunker. (alive blocked idras natural with an ebay)
Game 4 dual sight, U sixpoll? by alive, walling in and idra really 6 polling.
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
February 13 2012 04:55 GMT
#672
[QUOTE]On February 13 2012 13:53 Wroshe wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 13 2012 13:47 JWD wrote:
I wonder if tourneys will ever start striking agreements with players that require the players not to throw any games if they want to get paid for their appearances[/QUOTE]
No, that would be a ridiculous thing to do. How would you even remotely try to police or enforce that?
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
February 13 2012 04:55 GMT
#673
On February 13 2012 13:52 pt wrote:
is alive's cheese okay because it took longer to execute?

6pool against a competent GSL level Terran (maybe even one of the best in Code S), is not a cheese. It is throwing the game.

Comparing 2 fact reactor hellion after expanding compared to 6 pool shows how much some people understand the game. Yes 2fact reactor hellion is probably all-in on doing econ damage, but it isn't a cheese.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
February 13 2012 04:55 GMT
#674
I just feel bad for NASL.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 04:59:10
February 13 2012 04:55 GMT
#675
On February 13 2012 13:53 Wroshe wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:47 JWD wrote:
I wonder if tourneys will ever start striking agreements with players that require the players not to throw any games if they want to get paid for their appearances

That should absolutely happen. The problem then becomes what is a thrown game?

* Naniwa Proberushing? Definatly.
* IdrA 6Pooling on Dual Sight? Definatly.
* IdrA 6Pooling on Crossfire? Possibly.

* 4Gating in PvP on a map with a Ramp?
* Not 4Gating on Tal'Darim in PvP?

As you can see the slope is slippery and where do you draw the line?

all contracts are rife with ambiguous terms. you could pre-arrange that a panel of judges could sit to analyze the replays or just leave it up to the tournament admins. even if the rule was extremely extremely sparingly enforced it would help prevent stuff like what just happened.

to be clear, I'm not talking about a provision that would cut a player off for cheesing (come on, get real). I'm talking about a provision that would cut a player off where he obviously threw a game.
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negon
Profile Joined February 2012
212 Posts
February 13 2012 04:56 GMT
#676
On February 13 2012 13:55 Artok wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:53 BlindSight754 wrote:
Idra didn't GG IN ANY OF THE GAMES! Anyone talking about that part as well?

i wish every tournament would follow rules of kespa, would be way better.

Enforcing gg kind of defeats the point though.
u sixpoll?
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
February 13 2012 04:56 GMT
#677
On February 13 2012 13:53 BlindSight754 wrote:
Idra didn't GG IN ANY OF THE GAMES! Anyone talking about that part as well?


... were any of them Good Games ? Nope.
Love and Justice
Profile Joined August 2011
United States87 Posts
February 13 2012 04:56 GMT
#678
On February 13 2012 13:54 pt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 13:53 Falcor wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:52 pt wrote:
is alive's cheese okay because it took longer to execute?

its okay because its punishing a players weakness?


6 pool is pretty good against proxy rax


And good against a Command center First build. lol.
"No banglings, no problem." (ZeNEXLine)
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
February 13 2012 04:56 GMT
#679
On February 13 2012 13:50 Bagration wrote:
Slayers Boxer needs to give Idra a serious pep talk about spirit.


Idra is lucky he isn't actually apart of Slayers. If Coca got banished for months for a stupid mistake he didn't even realize and had to give up his Code S seed in the round of sixteen when he was a favorite to get DEEP into the tournament, then Boxer would have probably had Idra tied up in the Slayers Dungeon for at least three months.
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xSixGeneralHan
Profile Joined April 2011
United States528 Posts
February 13 2012 04:56 GMT
#680
On February 13 2012 13:53 mahi29 wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:52 chrissummers wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:48 Eschaton wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:41 durza wrote:
Im starting to hope idra just retires, it doesn't seem like he has enough respect for the game or for his peers to be successful at the level he thinks he should be. This is simply sad.



I just wish he'd do what he wants to do, go to college if thats it, or be a serious pro gamer if thats what he wants to do. But I can't stand to watch someone spend their life doing something while at the same time talking shit about how that thing is worthless "SC2 is a terrible game" etc. . If money is your only goal, you're not going to have any joy in it, and you're not going to do well against those that do.


he sort of is forced to play sc2. college? come on, idra does not fit there, I could never see him actually writing term papers etc. that is not who he is, he only does things on his conditions or not at all. that only works as long as you are in a leader position. if you are one of many, that mindset only leads to negative things.

which is why korea is not the place to be for him.


I thought he got a full-ride to some engineering college (forget the name and too lazy to look it up right now) and turned it down to go to Korea to play BW?

RPI good school
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