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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On February 07 2012 05:32 Liquid`NonY wrote: This is just step one. Long before the year is out, you will see true. 2012 year of Liquid. What he also forgot to mention is Liquid is 3-0 while EG is 0-3. That's a lot more than 3 BO1s. | ||
NASL.tv
699 Posts
The VODs are now available in free 1080p here: Team Liquid vs Evil Geniuses | ||
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Sphen5117
United States413 Posts
On February 06 2012 14:44 Mohdoo wrote: Team spirit > Mercenaries. Always a great thing to see ^_^ Wait....what? How are they mercenaries? You realize that all of these players are paid by their teams, right? Their salaries aren't for the amount of "a firm handshake and a warm smile" Do you think EG has mercenaries because the players are getting paid more there than they were on previous teams? You realize that's how professional sports works, right? When you're in such a dynamic industry, where your career could only last a few years, you have to accept the larger salaires, to save for the unknown that follows. The term "player - poaching" is absolutely stupid, btw. No team made the player sign that contract. If they actually only wanted team spirit, they wouldn't switch teams as often. You can't fault players for making financially sound decisions. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On February 07 2012 05:32 Liquid`NonY wrote: This is just step one. Long before the year is out, you will see true. 2012 year of Liquid. Fuck yeah. Liquid fighting! | ||
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On February 07 2012 06:56 Sphen5117 wrote: Wait....what? How are they mercenaries? You realize that all of these players are paid by their teams, right? Their salaries aren't for the amount of "a firm handshake and a warm smile" Do you think EG has mercenaries because the players are getting paid more there than they were on previous teams? You realize that's how professional sports works, right? When you're in such a dynamic industry, where your career could only last a few years, you have to accept the larger salaires, to save for the unknown that follows. The term "player - poaching" is absolutely stupid, btw. No team made the player sign that contract. If they actually only wanted team spirit, they wouldn't switch teams as often. You can't fault players for making financially sound decisions. So yeah, the image, in case you're new, comes from the way EG has uniquely acquired its high-profile players by offering them loads of money to leave their present teams... often in drama-filled circumstances (most significantly HuK and Puma). They shoot for tip-top players and buy them once they're huge. They bought Puma after he won NASL 1. They bought HuK after he made it into Code S. They also have what are rumoured to be the most expensive players in the industry. So ya, mercenary. A team of superstar would-be superpros slapped together with tons of money. So it's awesome when they get beat by the underdog "home team" of the SC community, TL. Dunno why that's hard to understand, to be honest. | ||
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System42
172 Posts
On February 07 2012 03:38 nvs. wrote: The way TL acquired Zenio and Hero is in no way similar to how EG acquired Puma at the first NASL. Please do not even try to compare.... (Idra) Um Eg got Puma right after he won a major tournament NASL and Liquid picked up Hero who had no success maybe 1 online tourney in 2nd place and Zenio who did not win any tournaments recent of the pick up.... I could be wrong though. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On February 07 2012 05:32 Liquid`NonY wrote: This is just step one. Long before the year is out, you will see true. 2012 year of Liquid. Tyler changed his name back? woooooahhhhhh | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
Hello where have you been these last days? =) :D | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On February 07 2012 07:38 aderum wrote: Hello where have you been these last days? =) :D Something such as this should have had a front page article written for it! I guess I somehow missed it. Or even in the Liquid news since that's where I look most of the time >.< | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
On February 07 2012 07:35 System42 wrote: Um Eg got Puma right after he won a major tournament NASL and Liquid picked up Hero who had no success maybe 1 online tourney in 2nd place and Zenio who did not win any tournaments recent of the pick up.... I could be wrong though. TL got their pickups through their relationship with oGs (read the thread welcoming HerO to the team for further detail), and Zenio was teamless when he was picked up. Also Zenio hadn't won anything, but he was CODE S.... I don't know why people always seem to overlook that. I also don't know though how people can be mad at EG for acquiring good players, it isn't like it is bad for the players either. Think about Puma, EG acquiring him allows him more exposure, and a salary. People try to portray it as if EG is just this company that is trying to buy out talent, but they are giving many good players more opportunities, with a good example being JYP now getting more exposure (who I think was also teamless when he was acquired). Just my opinion though. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
And you can already sense the transformation. Tyler would never have posted that. xD | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On February 07 2012 07:35 suejak wrote: So yeah, the image, in case you're new, comes from the way EG has uniquely acquired its high-profile players by offering them loads of money to leave their present teams... often in drama-filled circumstances (most significantly HuK and Puma). They shoot for tip-top players and buy them once they're huge. They bought Puma after he won NASL 1. They bought HuK after he made it into Code S. They also have what are rumoured to be the most expensive players in the industry. So ya, mercenary. A team of superstar would-be superpros slapped together with tons of money. So it's awesome when they get beat by the underdog "home team" of the SC community, TL. Dunno why that's hard to understand, to be honest. Every team would like to buy and field a group of powerhouse players, but you can't spend beyond your means. EG does it more because they enjoy a lot of financial power and a laundry list of sponsors. What's wrong with it? It's not like they're inherently evil; they're doing what every other team would try to do if they had that kind of money. Do you expect EG to go "well..we CAN buy a top Korean and have him play and improve our brand but we won't because it'll make other teams feel better"??? Btw it should be noted that Huk and Liquid are on very good terms and the Puma drama turned out to be almost nothing on EG's part.... | ||
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IMNotMvp
Korea (South)530 Posts
On February 07 2012 06:53 NASL.tv wrote: Update: The VODs are now available in free 1080p here: Team Liquid vs Evil Geniuses nice! | ||
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Hulavuta
United States1252 Posts
Zenio I agree was a little more famous and was already known as a good player, but Zenio joined TeamLiquid because he still liked his team oGs and still wanted to be associated with them, but didn't want to live in their house. oGs and TeamLiquid are partnered, so that was the best way to go about it. He still likes oGs, he's even helping their lineup in the GSTL. I don't know if I agree with PuMa getting picked up by EG either. If EG is to be believed, they said they started talking to PuMa early on, around the round of 8 even. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 07 2012 07:52 TheSubtleArt wrote: Every team would like to buy and field a group of powerhouse players, but you can't spend beyond your means. EG does it more because they enjoy a lot of financial power and a laundry list of sponsors. What's wrong with it? It's not like they're inherently evil; they're doing what every other team would try to do if they had that kind of money. Do you expect EG to go "well..we CAN buy a top Korean and have him play and improve our brand but we won't because it'll make other teams feel better"??? Btw it should be noted that Huk and Liquid are on very good terms and the Puma drama turned out to be almost nothing on EG's part.... It's simply a matter of culture and personal preference, you can't get people to think the way you do. As I said, it's nothing personal towards EG, I like most of their players and have known them since Media days. I just can't stand the business and management, that is all. I have the exact same sentiments towards SK (especially), Fnatic (after Xeris left), Complexity, and that whole crew. Likewise, I will always support not only Liquid, but teams like Light and Root which are the grassroots SC2 teams and have grown from this community, and they put 100% of their resources and effort in SC2 alone. Every single team is ran as a business, but still not all teams act this way. TL could commercialize the website alone (it's literally the cornerstone of foreign SC2, they can do whatever they want to and it will still take years for a competing community site to reach this level) and fund their team a lot more than they do - but they don't, because it's a lot healthier in the long run, you don't really need to with good player management. I can see your argument and the points you make, but I will not change my mind on this because it simply goes against my principles. Hell, I spent hours arguing against the idea of capitalism and unregulated free market on various General threads - I'm sorry but I'm definitely not going to simply accept concepts that I feel so strong against ruin something which is my passion/hobby. | ||
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On February 07 2012 07:52 TheSubtleArt wrote: Every team would like to buy and field a group of powerhouse players, but you can't spend beyond your means. EG does it more because they enjoy a lot of financial power and a laundry list of sponsors. What's wrong with it? It's not like they're inherently evil; they're doing what every other team would try to do if they had that kind of money. Do you expect EG to go "well..we CAN buy a top Korean and have him play and improve our brand but we won't because it'll make other teams feel better"??? Btw it should be noted that Huk and Liquid are on very good terms and the Puma drama turned out to be almost nothing on EG's part.... So you seem to be arguing that it's morally ok to be the "mercenary" team... I think everybody agrees that it's up for debate whether it's cool or not to be the money-grubbers, but it's not really up for debate whether EG is that team or not. Anyway, my intent was to explain why the image exists. EG has lots of money and they buy players off with lots of fanfare in drama-filled circumstances. EG also cuts "underperformers" for not "providing an ROI". Liquid doesn't do either of these things, and so it doesn't have the same corporate mercenary image. I think Liquid benefits a ton from that, so I hope they don't try to argue that all teams are basically the same, deep down. It'd kill their brand. It's true that Huk and Liquid are on good terms and it's true that TSL ended up being (somewhat) suspect in the Puma drama, but it's also true that neither of these things matter. EG bought HuK from a beloved team in a community drama shitstorm that highlighted people's emotional impressions of the two teams (bad v good). EG bought Puma from a small underdog team IMMEDIATELY after his first major victory. That's what people saw, and that's what made the image. So yeah, being the rich team and buying off players earns you a mercenary image. Surprise! | ||
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89andy
Canada192 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 07 2012 08:16 89andy wrote: grassroots team like ROot and Light are the ones that can't support players to be playing full-time. You want a bunch of amateur gamers who only play gaming part time? Well that ain't the way to go. EG, Complexity, Fnatic, etc. are the ones with financial power to GRANT people the opportunity to play full-time gaming without worrying if they are able to eat the next day if they don't win the playhem. Jesus christ. They can't support full time players NOW. If there is a (financially) fair playing field, that could change in near future. However, if Kawaii wins an MLG and then gets picked up by Complexity or w/e, you're basically gutting a team and denying them a future and a chance to acquire sponsorships. Root's lineup right now would be: Kiwi, Slush, Sheth, qxc, Catz, Drewbie and Destiny. Do you think that it would be impossible for this team to get their own sponsorship now? I don't. They're all marketable and they would be hands down the best North American team roster-wise, and dominantly so. But now a ton of other teams is exploiting their success and popularity as players. And for all the popularity Catz (in particular) and Drewbie have, do you really think Complexity will be willing to provide them with long term future? Look at what happened to FXO once the management got bored of having a foreign team and decided that taking over fOu is efficient, simpler, easier, and quite possibly cheaper. Do you think Huk will still be on EG with the same (let alone bigger) salary in 2 years, IF there is even an SC2 EG in 2 years, considering these organization will always go after the "hottest" new esport that guarantees the most exposure and leave their other divisions on the backburner (if they keep them at all)? It's all about whether a few top players get paid well now while all the perspective teams fall, or a ton more players get paid well in a few years once the scene really grows instead of just being an artificially inflated bubble that it is now. What is going on now in SC2 is simply not sustainable in the long run - and that's fine for organizations that will move on to a different game in a few years, because they benefit from the exposure of SC2 but also have follow-up options. It is definitely not fine for the future of SC2 players, no matter what salary they're on right now. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On February 07 2012 06:53 NASL.tv wrote: Update: The VODs are now available in free 1080p here: Team Liquid vs Evil Geniuses Thank you! The video quality on these videos is excellent. | ||
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