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On February 07 2012 03:55 zul wrote:
155 supply versus 98 and IdrA still loses. wp by HerO, but IdrA made some mistakes; no burrow and also throwing small reinforcement packs to the blink stalker army.
this. can some of u guys try to explain, how you should stop this all in? cause im way to bad to see, what idra made wrong in that game. and listening to the casters didnt help. i mean grubby was like "oh yeah that is a perfekt defense from idra. hmmm well, ok that did more dmg than i thought it would. ok this is perfekt for hero." so that didnt really help^^
i dont want to start some balance or imba talk here, but i just dont really see how idra could have stoped this. it seems kind of unstopable if you only need to mass +2 blinkstalkers and can even screw up ur first engagement with them. so what should idra have done other than mass roaches?
thx and sry for the english grammer... :D
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On February 07 2012 04:03 looken wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 03:55 zul wrote:
155 supply versus 98 and IdrA still loses. wp by HerO, but IdrA made some mistakes; no burrow and also throwing small reinforcement packs to the blink stalker army. this. can some of u guys try to explain, how you should stop this all in? cause im way to bad to see, what idra made wrong in that game. and listening to the casters didnt help. i mean grubby was like "oh yeah that is a perfekt defense from idra. hmmm well, ok that did more dmg than i thought it would. ok this is perfekt for hero." so that didnt really help^^ i dont want to start some balance or imba talk here, but i just dont really see how idra could have stoped this. it seems kind of unstopable if just mass +2 blinkstalkers and even screw up ur first engagement with them. so what should idra have done other than mass roaches? thx and sry for the english grammer... :D
Hydra den and/or burrow would've done wonders there. Or killing the reinforcing pylon when Hero went to attack. Idra had a lot of options after holding off the first wave, but he went with the poor "build nothing but roaches" option.
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On February 07 2012 04:03 looken wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 03:55 zul wrote:
155 supply versus 98 and IdrA still loses. wp by HerO, but IdrA made some mistakes; no burrow and also throwing small reinforcement packs to the blink stalker army. this. can some of u guys try to explain, how you should stop this all in? cause im way to bad to see, what idra made wrong in that game. and listening to the casters didnt help. i mean grubby was like "oh yeah that is a perfekt defense from idra. hmmm well, ok that did more dmg than i thought it would. ok this is perfekt for hero." so that didnt really help^^ i dont want to start some balance or imba talk here, but i just dont really see how idra could have stoped this. it seems kind of unstopable if just mass +2 blinkstalkers and even screw up ur first engagement with them. so what should idra have done other than mass roaches? thx and sry for the english grammer... :D
engaged offcreep, bad positioning. hero blinked nearly perfectly, idra still shouldve held it, cause his pure macro-reactions were right.
also, 155 vs 98 supply is quite normal in a raoch vs blinkstalker-fight.
stalker = 125/50, 2 supply
roach = 75/25, 2 supply
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Didn't see the Idra vs. HerO game, but roaches surely aren't that great vs. Masses of Stalkers, let alone Blinkstalkers. However, Fungual Growth helps out a lot in combination with Speedlings or Hydralisks.
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I have a noob question ^_^
How are matchups decided in this format? It's decided beforehand? Do players know who they are going to play against?
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On February 07 2012 04:05 GeorgeForeman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 04:03 looken wrote:On February 07 2012 03:55 zul wrote:
155 supply versus 98 and IdrA still loses. wp by HerO, but IdrA made some mistakes; no burrow and also throwing small reinforcement packs to the blink stalker army. this. can some of u guys try to explain, how you should stop this all in? cause im way to bad to see, what idra made wrong in that game. and listening to the casters didnt help. i mean grubby was like "oh yeah that is a perfekt defense from idra. hmmm well, ok that did more dmg than i thought it would. ok this is perfekt for hero." so that didnt really help^^ i dont want to start some balance or imba talk here, but i just dont really see how idra could have stoped this. it seems kind of unstopable if just mass +2 blinkstalkers and even screw up ur first engagement with them. so what should idra have done other than mass roaches? thx and sry for the english grammer... :D Hydra den and/or burrow would've done wonders there. Or killing the reinforcing pylon when Hero went to attack. Idra had a lot of options after holding off the first wave, but he went with the poor "build nothing but roaches" option.
how? i mean, he didnt have the time to get up hydras (or did it just look that way?) i mean he could barely hold the ongoing attacks and it was never like toss stopped attacking for more than like 30 sec.
yeah, the supply thing i knew 
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On February 07 2012 04:07 gwixter wrote:
I have a noob question ^_^
How are matchups decided in this format? It's decided beforehand? Do players know who they are going to play against?
The managers are told what the maps are and have to blindly pick a player for those maps.
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On February 07 2012 04:11 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 04:07 gwixter wrote:
I have a noob question ^_^
How are matchups decided in this format? It's decided beforehand? Do players know who they are going to play against? The managers are told what the maps are and have to blindly pick a player for those maps.
oh ... ok, thx
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On February 07 2012 03:52 Lyter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 02:49 Talin wrote:On February 07 2012 02:33 Venomsflame wrote:On February 07 2012 02:20 Full.tilt wrote:Football forums are worse than TL. Fact. I'm getting flashbacks to the rubbish I used to read when I frequented a couple. On February 07 2012 02:07 Kergy wrote:On February 07 2012 01:38 Venomsflame wrote:
People on TL are so stupid when it comes to TL and EG. Always viewing it like good vs evil.... It gets a little silly. Nothing wrong with the way EG does business and no reason they should be hated. I get the Team Liquid bias, this being their site and all but the amount of useless comments that are just a lame attempt to take a shot at EG for losing is silly.
This also doesn't even come close to changing my opinion that EG is a better team than TL. 3 Bo1s is silly, never liked this kind of format. Oh... would you like bo3's in team games? Now THAT owuld be the silliest thing ever. Whilst it may not be too everyones taste, they can be pretty good, just like winners format. Not every team league has to be the same. Of course you may just be trolling EG as you're replying to an EG fanboy (as the EG masters cup uses bo3 in their team league) Bo3s are much better imo. I love seeing an actual series(even a small one) to determine the winner of a head to head match(meaning one player vs another player, not team vs team). It also guarantees more games. Is anyone pleased with a clan war they just watched that ended after THREE whole games? That wasn't even really an event! All 3 games were pretty close and yet it still was over way too quickly. And I am certainly not a EG fan boy haha. Mouz all the way  It's how Proleague has been running for years (+/- 2v2s, but that's irrelevant). I like NASTL/GCPL format more than any other league because it's something that I'm used to, but also because this specific format has its intricacies that no other format has when it comes to picking players and how much individual players are worth. IMO if you let players play series between each other, maps and sniping lose quite a lot of importance, and it becomes a mini individual tournament of sorts. The overall match isn't BO1 anyway, it's still BO5 or BO7, so it's not like anybody wins or loses by a single game. The only difference is that different players play each set, which is what makes the team aspect (selecting roster and preparation) important. It's also the only format where teams show style and character. Some get by using a ton of matchup snipers to eliminate better players, others have a well-rounded team of decent players, others yet have one superstar player that will win almost anything and need to develop a strategy on how to make the most out of the rest of their lineup, etc. Well this isn't proleague format, in proleague you don't know the lineups in advance, so coaches have choices to make other than 'hmm who likes what map?'. It makes it much more tense doing the lineups on the fly
Actually, proleague you knew the line-ups in advance until at least 2009. I haven't watched proleague recently, so I'm not sure if they changed it, but the fact that you knew the line-ups in advance was very cool, as it allowed you to design builds specifically for the match-up. As with the NASTL, only the ace match was decided on the spot.
Also, got Liquid! It's great for a fan to see such success in the teamleagues. Well done especially to Ret and Zenio. Zenio really becoming a rock for TL.
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Well played TL, well played :D
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I thought Proleague only stopped releasing lineups to the public in advance due to betting. I don't know whether the teams get to know them beforehand or not though, but I'm pretty sure even now decisions aren't made on the fly (ie during the match).
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Damned I was too late for the EU broadcast. Any clue when vods will be up?
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On February 07 2012 02:10 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 01:56 Chunhyang wrote:On February 07 2012 01:51 Kira__ wrote:On February 07 2012 00:59 bbm wrote:On February 06 2012 21:36 Talin wrote:
[football] teams that outspend their competition by a huge margin are almost universally hated. That business practice does not sit well with the majority of fans. What, that's just not true at all for anyone I know who's into football. People complaining about other teams spending practicies can be attributed back to own-team bias. They're never going to complain when their own team spends x million on top tier players. Only when teams they don't support do. everyone who i know, regardless of team or league which they support; they all hate manchester city You should think about it in the context of this: 1. Manchester City was a winner way before United was. 2. United got money and thus begun to win. City suddenly didn't have it and begun to lose. 3. Recently, they got money again. really, City is a little club that could that got lucky. they got blessed. we really should be rooting for them and for the americans to ruin the money machine that is united. and go TL rah rah rah Man Utd didn't get money. They've always been rich because they are a big club with a huge fanbase and have been since the 50s.
In reality the United analogy is wrong. They are a big club, but the reason they are so rich is they happened to be big at the time the Premier League started to get going. They had a pre-existing fanbase that was large, and were reaping the benefits of much more lucrative TV deals, creating a self-sustaining wealth. If the Premier League breakaway had occurred 5-10 years previously, it's conceivable that Liverpool for example could have been top dogs.
I also second the query for VoDs, second day in a row I have missed Grubby casting!
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What most people miss is that Manchester United, while having one of the highest revenues in Europe, is also one of, or maybe the most indebted club worldwide. Last thing I heared they were down about 800 millions €.
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Hahaha, nice results. Wish to see the VODs.
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On February 07 2012 04:42 illu23 wrote:
What most people miss is that Manchester United, while having one of the highest revenues in Europe, is also one of, or maybe the most indebted club worldwide. Last thing I heared they were down about 800 millions €.
This isn't true at all. I suggest you read this.
Don't talk finance if you know nothing about it. It isn't even related to EG anyway.
So many things that you don't consider when talking about debt. ex: If you loan 10 million to buy a painting worth 15 million. How much debt do you have?
Same shit for Manchester. They are worth so much more than the debt they have.
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On February 07 2012 04:07 looken wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 04:05 GeorgeForeman wrote:On February 07 2012 04:03 looken wrote:On February 07 2012 03:55 zul wrote:
155 supply versus 98 and IdrA still loses. wp by HerO, but IdrA made some mistakes; no burrow and also throwing small reinforcement packs to the blink stalker army. this. can some of u guys try to explain, how you should stop this all in? cause im way to bad to see, what idra made wrong in that game. and listening to the casters didnt help. i mean grubby was like "oh yeah that is a perfekt defense from idra. hmmm well, ok that did more dmg than i thought it would. ok this is perfekt for hero." so that didnt really help^^ i dont want to start some balance or imba talk here, but i just dont really see how idra could have stoped this. it seems kind of unstopable if just mass +2 blinkstalkers and even screw up ur first engagement with them. so what should idra have done other than mass roaches? thx and sry for the english grammer... :D Hydra den and/or burrow would've done wonders there. Or killing the reinforcing pylon when Hero went to attack. Idra had a lot of options after holding off the first wave, but he went with the poor "build nothing but roaches" option. how? i mean, he didnt have the time to get up hydras (or did it just look that way?) i mean he could barely hold the ongoing attacks and it was never like toss stopped attacking for more than like 30 sec. yeah, the supply thing i knew
He definitley had time to get hydras if that's the route he wanted to go. Lots of zergs get a "saftey" hydra den and don't do anything with it until/if they see a heavy gateway all-in coming. Plus, the final battle took like 5 minutes from the time Hero first engaged. If he'd made 2 fewer roaches at any point, he could've afforded it easily. He had surpluss gas.
And if he didn't want Hydras because he read colossi off of something, he still could've researched burrow at ANY POINT after he saw blink and had it finish before his forces had been decimated. There were options, but Idra thought he could overpower him with pure roach. FWIW, he was almost right. If he killed the reinforcing pylon, he'd probably have won anyways.
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On February 07 2012 01:38 Venomsflame wrote:
This also doesn't even come close to changing my opinion that EG is a better team than TL. 3 Bo1s is silly, never liked this kind of format.
This is just step one. Long before the year is out, you will see true. 2012 year of Liquid.
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TL KICKIN ASS.
I <3 YOU SO MUCH.
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On February 07 2012 05:32 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 01:38 Venomsflame wrote:
This also doesn't even come close to changing my opinion that EG is a better team than TL. 3 Bo1s is silly, never liked this kind of format. This is just step one. Long before the year is out, you will see true. 2012 year of Liquid.
Shit just got real...
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