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Abort Retry Fail
Profile Joined December 2011
2636 Posts
February 06 2012 14:46 GMT
#541
Can this be now??? I have to work lateeeeeeeeeerrrrrr!!!
Go TL!
BSOD
DrN0
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom184 Posts
February 06 2012 14:49 GMT
#542
On February 06 2012 21:36 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 21:30 DrN0 wrote:
What stupid point of view, Koreans are just brought in to win games, well of course they are its the same in any sport you try and get the most talented players in your team.


Since you're British and making comparison to sports, let me remind you that in the most popular sport in UK (and the world) teams that outspend their competition by a huge margin are almost universally hated. That business practice, despite (sadly) being commonplace in sports today, does absolutely not sit well with the majority of fans. And neither it should because money should never have been allowed to be the deciding factor in sports to such a huge extent.

And the same holds for almost any other sport as well (not sure about the American based ones, I feel things might be different there).

The only way to have a fair and reasonable competition today is to have a central (kespa-like) organization and salary caps and transfer caps for all teams involved.


That is such crap, Man Utd has the largest fan base of any football team and very often spends over 50 million in one year, I think you have severely underrated how much fans enjoy watching the best talent in the world on their own soil. Yes some fans will make fun of teams with money but it isn't to say money is a bad thing. For example Everton never get any money to spend and their fans often point out that they do very well for their lack of money, that's not to say they wouldn't welcome money themselves in fact some of the supporters put their own money into the club.

As for the big clubs being hated the more powerful you become the more enemies you make, many people may hate Barcelona but almost everyone can appreciate the football they play.
obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
February 06 2012 15:38 GMT
#543
SirScoots needs to bust some heads.
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
February 06 2012 15:58 GMT
#544
Are the games worth watching?
ggaemo fan
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
February 06 2012 15:59 GMT
#545
On February 06 2012 21:36 Talin wrote:
[football] teams that outspend their competition by a huge margin are almost universally hated. That business practice does not sit well with the majority of fans.


What, that's just not true at all for anyone I know who's into football. People complaining about other teams spending practicies can be attributed back to own-team bias. They're never going to complain when their own team spends x million on top tier players. Only when teams they don't support do.
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46179 Posts
February 06 2012 16:08 GMT
#546
Wow didn't expect a 3-0 against EG's top tier players. Awesome job TL
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 06 2012 16:22 GMT
#547
On February 06 2012 20:31 symtab wrote:
There was a thread like a few months ago, about Liquid not being competitive enough and not winning tournaments, and EG getting better and better. I guess these games are the conclusion to that thread :-)


Nope, that debate will go on forever, because people bring it up everytime a TL or EG player falls short of expectations. Unfortunately that is just the way it is.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 16:34:22
February 06 2012 16:33 GMT
#548
--- Nuked ---
Joseph123
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria1144 Posts
February 06 2012 16:37 GMT
#549
I've never watched NASTL, but I will watch it now, not because I like Gretorp's casting, but to see Idra ragequit.
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
February 06 2012 16:38 GMT
#550
People on TL are so stupid when it comes to TL and EG. Always viewing it like good vs evil.... It gets a little silly. Nothing wrong with the way EG does business and no reason they should be hated. I get the Team Liquid bias, this being their site and all but the amount of useless comments that are just a lame attempt to take a shot at EG for losing is silly.

This also doesn't even come close to changing my opinion that EG is a better team than TL. 3 Bo1s is silly, never liked this kind of format.
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 16:55:10
February 06 2012 16:51 GMT
#551
On February 07 2012 00:59 bbm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 21:36 Talin wrote:
[football] teams that outspend their competition by a huge margin are almost universally hated. That business practice does not sit well with the majority of fans.


What, that's just not true at all for anyone I know who's into football. People complaining about other teams spending practicies can be attributed back to own-team bias. They're never going to complain when their own team spends x million on top tier players. Only when teams they don't support do.


everyone who i know, regardless of team or league which they support; they all hate manchester city


yet, im a big fan of eg :p
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
February 06 2012 16:52 GMT
#552
yey the TL mercenaries won over the EG mercenaries WOO


well played ret sad that idra didnt win....
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
February 06 2012 16:53 GMT
#553
No conclusions being drawn sir, but TL is doing well and EG has not been getting results, as demonstrated in this match. How many head to heads to change your opinion? and what kind of format will convince you?
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Lt.Roosevelt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden84 Posts
February 06 2012 16:53 GMT
#554
On February 06 2012 23:49 DrN0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 21:36 Talin wrote:
On February 06 2012 21:30 DrN0 wrote:
What stupid point of view, Koreans are just brought in to win games, well of course they are its the same in any sport you try and get the most talented players in your team.


Since you're British and making comparison to sports, let me remind you that in the most popular sport in UK (and the world) teams that outspend their competition by a huge margin are almost universally hated. That business practice, despite (sadly) being commonplace in sports today, does absolutely not sit well with the majority of fans. And neither it should because money should never have been allowed to be the deciding factor in sports to such a huge extent.

And the same holds for almost any other sport as well (not sure about the American based ones, I feel things might be different there).

The only way to have a fair and reasonable competition today is to have a central (kespa-like) organization and salary caps and transfer caps for all teams involved.


That is such crap, Man Utd has the largest fan base of any football team and very often spends over 50 million in one year, I think you have severely underrated how much fans enjoy watching the best talent in the world on their own soil. Yes some fans will make fun of teams with money but it isn't to say money is a bad thing. For example Everton never get any money to spend and their fans often point out that they do very well for their lack of money, that's not to say they wouldn't welcome money themselves in fact some of the supporters put their own money into the club.

As for the big clubs being hated the more powerful you become the more enemies you make, many people may hate Barcelona but almost everyone can appreciate the football they play.


I think he was referring more to teams that basically go from bad/average to top contenders very fast because of an influx of money as is the case with Chelsea and Machester City.

In the case of Everton the supporters would most likely all stay and love Everton whether they had money or not, but as long as they don't have money "no one" else will care... but make Everton top contenders in a season by spending loads of money and you are sure to get a lot of haters saying Everton doesn't deserve the success because they haven't "earned it".
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
February 06 2012 16:56 GMT
#555
On February 07 2012 01:51 Kira__ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 00:59 bbm wrote:
On February 06 2012 21:36 Talin wrote:
[football] teams that outspend their competition by a huge margin are almost universally hated. That business practice does not sit well with the majority of fans.


What, that's just not true at all for anyone I know who's into football. People complaining about other teams spending practicies can be attributed back to own-team bias. They're never going to complain when their own team spends x million on top tier players. Only when teams they don't support do.


everyone who i know, regardless of team or league which they support; they all hate manchester city


You should think about it in the context of this:

1. Manchester City was a winner way before United was.
2. United got money and thus begun to win. City suddenly didn't have it and begun to lose.
3. Recently, they got money again.

really, City is a little club that could that got lucky. they got blessed. we really should be rooting for them and for the americans to ruin the money machine that is united.

and go TL rah rah rah
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
February 06 2012 17:07 GMT
#556
On February 07 2012 01:38 Venomsflame wrote:
People on TL are so stupid when it comes to TL and EG. Always viewing it like good vs evil.... It gets a little silly. Nothing wrong with the way EG does business and no reason they should be hated. I get the Team Liquid bias, this being their site and all but the amount of useless comments that are just a lame attempt to take a shot at EG for losing is silly.

This also doesn't even come close to changing my opinion that EG is a better team than TL. 3 Bo1s is silly, never liked this kind of format.


Oh... would you like bo3's in team games? Now THAT owuld be the silliest thing ever.
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
February 06 2012 17:09 GMT
#557
On February 06 2012 21:36 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 21:30 DrN0 wrote:
What stupid point of view, Koreans are just brought in to win games, well of course they are its the same in any sport you try and get the most talented players in your team.


Since you're British and making comparison to sports, let me remind you that in the most popular sport in UK (and the world) teams that outspend their competition by a huge margin are almost universally hated. That business practice, despite (sadly) being commonplace in sports today, does absolutely not sit well with the majority of fans. And neither it should because money should never have been allowed to be the deciding factor in sports to such a huge extent.

And the same holds for almost any other sport as well (not sure about the American based ones, I feel things might be different there).

The only way to have a fair and reasonable competition today is to have a central (kespa-like) organization and salary caps and transfer caps for all teams involved.


That isn't how it works at all. Teams that win are universally hated, it doesn't matter how you do it.

Barcelona have a shit load of haters and most of their team came through their academy.

Plus all top football teams spend insane money on players. It's just how the sport works.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
February 06 2012 17:10 GMT
#558
On February 07 2012 01:56 Chunhyang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 01:51 Kira__ wrote:
On February 07 2012 00:59 bbm wrote:
On February 06 2012 21:36 Talin wrote:
[football] teams that outspend their competition by a huge margin are almost universally hated. That business practice does not sit well with the majority of fans.


What, that's just not true at all for anyone I know who's into football. People complaining about other teams spending practicies can be attributed back to own-team bias. They're never going to complain when their own team spends x million on top tier players. Only when teams they don't support do.


everyone who i know, regardless of team or league which they support; they all hate manchester city


You should think about it in the context of this:

1. Manchester City was a winner way before United was.
2. United got money and thus begun to win. City suddenly didn't have it and begun to lose.
3. Recently, they got money again.

really, City is a little club that could that got lucky. they got blessed. we really should be rooting for them and for the americans to ruin the money machine that is united.

and go TL rah rah rah


Man Utd didn't get money. They've always been rich because they are a big club with a huge fanbase and have been since the 50s.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 06 2012 17:13 GMT
#559
On February 06 2012 21:36 JustPassingBy wrote:
Where are Jinro, Tyler, incontrol, lzgamer and machine? it's like they disappeared from the competitive gaming scene. :o
I mean, I understand that they are not performing well compared to the other members of the team, but I wish they would at least get some screen time, it has been ages since I saw them playing.

Tyler needs some more time to get prepared while I'm sure we'll see Jinro in future CWs.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 17:22:26
February 06 2012 17:20 GMT
#560
Football forums are worse than TL. Fact. I'm getting flashbacks to the rubbish I used to read when I frequented a couple.

On February 07 2012 02:07 Kergy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 01:38 Venomsflame wrote:
People on TL are so stupid when it comes to TL and EG. Always viewing it like good vs evil.... It gets a little silly. Nothing wrong with the way EG does business and no reason they should be hated. I get the Team Liquid bias, this being their site and all but the amount of useless comments that are just a lame attempt to take a shot at EG for losing is silly.

This also doesn't even come close to changing my opinion that EG is a better team than TL. 3 Bo1s is silly, never liked this kind of format.


Oh... would you like bo3's in team games? Now THAT owuld be the silliest thing ever.


Whilst it may not be too everyones taste, they can be pretty good, just like winners format. Not every team league has to be the same. Of course you may just be trolling EG as you're replying to an EG fanboy (as the EG masters cup uses bo3 in their team league)
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