EPT[NASTL] Liquid vs EG - Page 27
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symtab
Romania11 Posts
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
On February 06 2012 19:44 Talin wrote: The [R] thing was a practice that started in 2012, presumably so that there wouldn't be a need for 2 articles (preview/review) for every event to keep up with the results. It's not TLPro's fault that TL has been winning everything since.  I don't know where you normally hang out then, because that post would have been considered flipping out in any rl or internet social environment I've ever seen. Everywhere. I've been in just about every RTS and MMORPG community since the original Age of Empires and the hypersensitivity of this community is entirely unique. Of course, this is all extremely offtopic. So I'll leave you all to your overreactions. | ||
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dangthatsright
1158 Posts
Of course there's no reason to suspect that there won't be TL bias on teamliquid.net, and there's little reason not to let the bias show in a team league. Cheer on your favorite team, celebrate when they win, even when a rival team loses, sure. For some reason, people, in this particular case, feel the need to go much further than that. There is a time and a place to criticize their business model or whatever, but the LR thread for a team league match is nowhere close to one of them. While IdrA's response is rather direct/condescending, he's no more in the wrong here, if at all. I'm glad to see Liquid pull out the win here when I didn't think that was going to happen, but seeing people quite quickly jump into this mess again is quite disheartening and headache-inducing (the latter might have to do with staying up far too late). And yes, there is always the possibility that this originated as unserious banter or something, but I have very little reason to believe that. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On February 06 2012 20:35 dangthatsright wrote: I'm starting to suspect, almost certainly far too late, that in any match involving the EG team or one of the stronger players on EG, there will be the contingent that says something along the lines of "well EG just bought their good players" when they win or "I guess buying good players doesn't always pay off" when they lose. The implied team dynamic invoked when calling the Korean players "mercenaries" cannot be much more off - the streamed practice sessions certainly suggest otherwise among the foreigners, and from HSC4 people said that JYP was quite willing to socialize and work with people. Of course there's no reason to suspect that there won't be TL bias on teamliquid.net, and there's little reason not to let the bias show in a team league. Cheer on your favorite team, celebrate when they win, even when a rival team loses, sure. For some reason, people, in this particular case, feel the need to go much further than that. There is a time and a place to criticize their business model or whatever, but the LR thread for a team league match is nowhere close to one of them. While IdrA's response is rather direct/condescending, he's no more in the wrong here, if at all. I'm glad to see Liquid pull out the win here when I didn't think that was going to happen, but seeing people quite quickly jump into this mess again is quite disheartening and headache-inducing (the latter might have to do with staying up far too late). And yes, there is always the possibility that this originated as unserious banter or something, but I have very little reason to believe that. Of course the anti-fanboyism is stupid but this is always gonna happen, even more so the bigger it gets. What do you think you would get if you had an online LR thread of Barcelona vs Real Madrid? And honestly, using the word mercenaries isnt exactly the biggest insult you could think of. People are gonna talk shit and site moderation can only go so far, players are gonna have to get used to it or stop reading live reports, sad as it might be. That being said I respect idra a lot for still being an active member of this community. | ||
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naux
Canada738 Posts
On February 06 2012 20:35 dangthatsright wrote: I'm starting to suspect, almost certainly far too late, that in any match involving the EG team or one of the stronger players on EG, there will be the contingent that says something along the lines of "well EG just bought their good players" when they win or "I guess buying good players doesn't always pay off" when they lose. The implied team dynamic invoked when calling the Korean players "mercenaries" cannot be much more off - the streamed practice sessions certainly suggest otherwise among the foreigners, and from HSC4 people said that JYP was quite willing to socialize and work with people. Of course there's no reason to suspect that there won't be TL bias on teamliquid.net, and there's little reason not to let the bias show in a team league. Cheer on your favorite team, celebrate when they win, even when a rival team loses, sure. For some reason, people, in this particular case, feel the need to go much further than that. There is a time and a place to criticize their business model or whatever, but the LR thread for a team league match is nowhere close to one of them. While IdrA's response is rather direct/condescending, he's no more in the wrong here, if at all. I'm glad to see Liquid pull out the win here when I didn't think that was going to happen, but seeing people quite quickly jump into this mess again is quite disheartening and headache-inducing (the latter might have to do with staying up far too late). And yes, there is always the possibility that this originated as unserious banter or something, but I have very little reason to believe that. I am a EG fan have been since EG cs with blackpanther and stevenson. I just believe there is to much bandwagoners on this board just because its a teamliquid website people here bash EG like theres no tomorrow, but when idrA is in the GSL or making it far at MLG orlando or even huk winning MLG people ride them so badly its not even funny. I see so much comments of people saying "idrA deserved to lose", "his a bad mouth player", "he complains about race imbalance".. when NesTea complains about protoss being so powerful no one cares because his the almighty zerg NesTea.. when he bad mouths he actually shows heart that he cares about winning and not being a motionless player like most of the koreans and actually tries to get better as in going to korea to train.. gets annoying when EG loses 1 MATCH, and it wasnt even a SERIES of BO3 it was BO1's and only thing i see is EG haters laugh and make fun of them why? because there a "team who buys players" what a joke.. | ||
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Hoesa
Netherlands75 Posts
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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Sup3rior
Sweden442 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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LayZRR
Germany449 Posts
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Hydroxyl
206 Posts
On February 06 2012 20:35 dangthatsright wrote: I'm starting to suspect, almost certainly far too late, that in any match involving the EG team or one of the stronger players on EG, there will be the contingent that says something along the lines of "well EG just bought their good players" when they win or "I guess buying good players doesn't always pay off" when they lose. The implied team dynamic invoked when calling the Korean players "mercenaries" cannot be much more off - the streamed practice sessions certainly suggest otherwise among the foreigners, and from HSC4 people said that JYP was quite willing to socialize and work with people. Of course there's no reason to suspect that there won't be TL bias on teamliquid.net, and there's little reason not to let the bias show in a team league. Cheer on your favorite team, celebrate when they win, even when a rival team loses, sure. For some reason, people, in this particular case, feel the need to go much further than that. There is a time and a place to criticize their business model or whatever, but the LR thread for a team league match is nowhere close to one of them. While IdrA's response is rather direct/condescending, he's no more in the wrong here, if at all. I'm glad to see Liquid pull out the win here when I didn't think that was going to happen, but seeing people quite quickly jump into this mess again is quite disheartening and headache-inducing (the latter might have to do with staying up far too late). And yes, there is always the possibility that this originated as unserious banter or something, but I have very little reason to believe that. Yeah people shouldn't ever use their brain to formulate thoughts and sentences more elaborate than an onomatopeia restricted to a random supportive comment about your favorite team. It is when people come to down to be willingful to censure one of the newest and most powerful medium out here, internet, that I get the syptoms you're describing here. Moreover I don't see why a LR isn't the place to talk about, especially when the thread is relevant to the matter. Are you going to hold a football match in a stadium and forbid people to discuss about who's the best player on the field. "Gentlemen, don't express sentences that could be taken to heart by someone else, everything must be friendly in the best of the worlds. It's for you own good I know what I'm talking about since I'm not in your shoes." What do we say about the good intentions? Yeah it's the veil for dictatorship. Now if you want to discuss and express your opinion about the foundations of those statements, there's a way of doing it and that's the place for it, but not by holding a moralistic gun under your interlocutor's throat, it's overdone, overrated and ill-advised. | ||
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DrN0
United Kingdom184 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
I mean, I understand that they are not performing well compared to the other members of the team, but I wish they would at least get some screen time, it has been ages since I saw them playing. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 06 2012 21:30 DrN0 wrote: What stupid point of view, Koreans are just brought in to win games, well of course they are its the same in any sport you try and get the most talented players in your team. Since you're British and making comparison to sports, let me remind you that in the most popular sport in UK (and the world) teams that outspend their competition by a huge margin are almost universally hated. That business practice, despite (sadly) being commonplace in sports today, does absolutely not sit well with the majority of fans. And neither it should because money should never have been allowed to be the deciding factor in sports to such a huge extent. And the same holds for almost any other sport as well (not sure about the American based ones, I feel things might be different there). The only way to have a fair and reasonable competition today is to have a central (kespa-like) organization and salary caps and transfer caps for all teams involved. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On February 06 2012 21:36 JustPassingBy wrote: Where are Jinro, Tyler, incontrol, lzgamer and machine? it's like they disappeared from the competitive gaming scene. :o I mean, I understand that they are not performing well compared to the other members of the team, but I wish they would at least get some screen time, it has been ages since I saw them playing. Can't wait for Nony to be in the 1st line up and tear some koreans like it's nothing. | ||
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Troublesome
United Kingdom522 Posts
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Startyr
Scotland188 Posts
In both the PvZ matches the zerg player got the 3 base economy that they wanted. Zenio scouted the gateways so it seemed Jyp lost confidence and tried to expand then Zenio straight up won with ling hydra. In Hero vs Idra, Idra ended up with mass roach vs mass blink stalker. Why would you go pure roach? After the zealots, protoss has several options to try and do damage such as void ray, phoenix, blink stalker, Dt, immortals, sentries and warp prism. Pure roach does not seem all that good vs any of them. How would the game have played out differently if Idra had gone ling Hydra similarly to Zenio? | ||
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
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CursedRich
United Kingdom737 Posts
On February 06 2012 21:11 naux wrote: I am a EG fan have been since EG cs with blackpanther and stevenson. I just believe there is to much bandwagoners on this board just because its a teamliquid website people here bash EG like theres no tomorrow, but when idrA is in the GSL or making it far at MLG orlando or even huk winning MLG people ride them so badly its not even funny. I see so much comments of people saying "idrA deserved to lose", "his a bad mouth player", "he complains about race imbalance".. when NesTea complains about protoss being so powerful no one cares because his the almighty zerg NesTea.. when he bad mouths he actually shows heart that he cares about winning and not being a motionless player like most of the koreans and actually tries to get better as in going to korea to train.. gets annoying when EG loses 1 MATCH, and it wasnt even a SERIES of BO3 it was BO1's and only thing i see is EG haters laugh and make fun of them why? because there a "team who buys players" what a joke.. Thanks for the laugh mate, great to know  I wasnt aware of this until you pointed it out | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On February 06 2012 06:34 McPhiz wrote: its funny how liquid bias you are :D but this is team liquid.net so i understand. Personally i think puma will beat ret, JYP will beat zenio, hero will beat idra but not because idra looked horrible in code a just that hero is friggin amazing, and the decider will be haypro vs demuslim, I'm giving the edge to demuslim just because ghosts are OP i haven't seen like any haypro play lately but i do know he is pretty good No this is the funny part your silly rent cauze the dude was a fan and right at that.And it's a free forum, let people be bias ? | ||
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