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On February 07 2012 08:11 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:52 TheSubtleArt wrote:On February 07 2012 07:35 suejak wrote:On February 07 2012 06:56 Sphen5117 wrote:On February 06 2012 14:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Team spirit > Mercenaries. Always a great thing to see ^_^ Wait....what? How are they mercenaries? You realize that all of these players are paid by their teams, right? Their salaries aren't for the amount of "a firm handshake and a warm smile" Do you think EG has mercenaries because the players are getting paid more there than they were on previous teams? You realize that's how professional sports works, right? When you're in such a dynamic industry, where your career could only last a few years, you have to accept the larger salaires, to save for the unknown that follows. The term "player - poaching" is absolutely stupid, btw. No team made the player sign that contract. If they actually only wanted team spirit, they wouldn't switch teams as often. You can't fault players for making financially sound decisions. So yeah, the image, in case you're new, comes from the way EG has uniquely acquired its high-profile players by offering them loads of money to leave their present teams... often in drama-filled circumstances (most significantly HuK and Puma). They shoot for tip-top players and buy them once they're huge. They bought Puma after he won NASL 1. They bought HuK after he made it into Code S. They also have what are rumoured to be the most expensive players in the industry. So ya, mercenary. A team of superstar would-be superpros slapped together with tons of money. So it's awesome when they get beat by the underdog "home team" of the SC community, TL. Dunno why that's hard to understand, to be honest. Every team would like to buy and field a group of powerhouse players, but you can't spend beyond your means. EG does it more because they enjoy a lot of financial power and a laundry list of sponsors. What's wrong with it? It's not like they're inherently evil; they're doing what every other team would try to do if they had that kind of money. Do you expect EG to go "well..we CAN buy a top Korean and have him play and improve our brand but we won't because it'll make other teams feel better"??? Btw it should be noted that Huk and Liquid are on very good terms and the Puma drama turned out to be almost nothing on EG's part.... It's simply a matter of culture and personal preference, you can't get people to think the way you do. As I said, it's nothing personal towards EG, I like most of their players and have known them since Media days. I just can't stand the business and management, that is all. I have the exact same sentiments towards SK (especially), Fnatic (after Xeris left), Complexity, and that whole crew. Likewise, I will always support not only Liquid, but teams like Light and Root which are the grassroots SC2 teams and have grown from this community, and they put 100% of their resources and effort in SC2 alone. Every single team is ran as a business, but still not all teams act this way. TL could commercialize the website alone (it's literally the cornerstone of foreign SC2, they can do whatever they want to and it will still take years for a competing community site to reach this level) and fund their team a lot more than they do - but they don't, because it's a lot healthier in the long run, you don't really need to with good player management. I can see your argument and the points you make, but I will not change my mind on this because it simply goes against my principles. Hell, I spent hours arguing against the idea of capitalism and unregulated free market on various General threads - I'm sorry but I'm definitely not going to simply accept concepts that I feel so strong against ruin something which is my passion/hobby.
I disagree with your point of view, but my post is not meant to be combative, just going to leave my thoughts.
Teams like root, light, TL are (were) consistently trying to gain sponsorships, In other words, they're trying to be the EGs, the SKs, the fnatics etc. By your principle you'll have to dump a team every-time they gain financial support. But the ironic part is that if you're saying that you want to support grassroots sc2 teams, you should be doing so financially so that they can defend against the capital giants that you dislike.
TL didn't commercialize their site because that would be detrimental to the community, but they sure as hell made a separate site that they advertise here. What better advertisement could you ask for? TL's team content is literally everywhere on the TL forum and I wouldn't have it any other way. TL is my 2nd favorite team not just because of how much they've grown as a team but because they're doing a great job building their brand.
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well, looks like idra hasn't gotten rid of his habit of attacking blink stalkers with roaches in wide open spaces and losing them. especially up ramps. that kid loves losing roaches by attacking up ramps.
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First NASL team game I watched. Production quality is really good . Loved it.
Thx NASL!
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On February 07 2012 08:16 suejak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:52 TheSubtleArt wrote:On February 07 2012 07:35 suejak wrote:On February 07 2012 06:56 Sphen5117 wrote:On February 06 2012 14:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Team spirit > Mercenaries. Always a great thing to see ^_^ Wait....what? How are they mercenaries? You realize that all of these players are paid by their teams, right? Their salaries aren't for the amount of "a firm handshake and a warm smile" Do you think EG has mercenaries because the players are getting paid more there than they were on previous teams? You realize that's how professional sports works, right? When you're in such a dynamic industry, where your career could only last a few years, you have to accept the larger salaires, to save for the unknown that follows. The term "player - poaching" is absolutely stupid, btw. No team made the player sign that contract. If they actually only wanted team spirit, they wouldn't switch teams as often. You can't fault players for making financially sound decisions. So yeah, the image, in case you're new, comes from the way EG has uniquely acquired its high-profile players by offering them loads of money to leave their present teams... often in drama-filled circumstances (most significantly HuK and Puma). They shoot for tip-top players and buy them once they're huge. They bought Puma after he won NASL 1. They bought HuK after he made it into Code S. They also have what are rumoured to be the most expensive players in the industry. So ya, mercenary. A team of superstar would-be superpros slapped together with tons of money. So it's awesome when they get beat by the underdog "home team" of the SC community, TL. Dunno why that's hard to understand, to be honest. Every team would like to buy and field a group of powerhouse players, but you can't spend beyond your means. EG does it more because they enjoy a lot of financial power and a laundry list of sponsors. What's wrong with it? It's not like they're inherently evil; they're doing what every other team would try to do if they had that kind of money. Do you expect EG to go "well..we CAN buy a top Korean and have him play and improve our brand but we won't because it'll make other teams feel better"??? Btw it should be noted that Huk and Liquid are on very good terms and the Puma drama turned out to be almost nothing on EG's part.... So you seem to be arguing that it's morally ok to be the "mercenary" team... I think everybody agrees that it's up for debate whether it's cool or not to be the money-grubbers, but it's not really up for debate whether EG is that team or not. Anyway, my intent was to explain why the image exists. EG has lots of money and they buy players off with lots of fanfare in drama-filled circumstances. EG also cuts "underperformers" for not "providing an ROI". Liquid doesn't do either of these things, and so it doesn't have the same corporate mercenary image. I think Liquid benefits a ton from that, so I hope they don't try to argue that all teams are basically the same, deep down. It'd kill their brand. It's true that Huk and Liquid are on good terms and it's true that TSL ended up being (somewhat) suspect in the Puma drama, but it's also true that neither of these things matter. EG bought HuK from a beloved team in a community drama shitstorm that highlighted people's emotional impressions of the two teams (bad v good). EG bought Puma from a small underdog team IMMEDIATELY after his first major victory. That's what people saw, and that's what made the image. So yeah, being the rich team and buying off players earns you a mercenary image. Surprise!
Thing is almost every single team has that mentality. Liquid bought Hero and Zenio, Light bought Golden, Col wanted Naniwa and Stephano, Slayers bought Clide and Puzzle....how are these any different? EG has more money so they buy more, but it's not like they're doing something that 90% of organizations wouldn't do with that kind of money... also the team definitely needed an overhaul because a line up of Idra, Machine, Incontrol, Strifecro, LZ and Axslav probably wasn't going to cut it with the intentions EG has.
This is like hating Chelsea for reforming their team when they got the financial backing to do so, and implying teams like Fulham and Blackburn wouldn't do the exact same thing with that kind of money.
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On February 07 2012 20:06 VoirDire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 18:31 suejak wrote:On February 07 2012 15:52 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On February 06 2012 18:29 dAPhREAk wrote:On February 06 2012 17:49 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On February 06 2012 16:52 IdrA wrote:On February 06 2012 16:43 NET wrote:On February 06 2012 14:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Team spirit > Mercenaries. Always a great thing to see ^_^ That's pretty funny, never thought of it that way. They were fun games to watch! I'm happy for the winners though. yaaaaa cuz liquid doesnt pay zenio and hero anything. they joined cuz theyre big liquid fans. imbeciles Not that I agree with the whole 'lol mercenaries' stuff, but the story behind both HerO's and Zenio's joining is a bit different than the usual 'See talent, throw money at it'. That's not to say that I think we are 'above' doing that or anything. need money first... =| How do you think we got Huk the first time around...? Yo man, I know you're trying to be "adult" about all this, but Liquid would do well to protect its Knight in Shining Armour image... Yeah, you bought HuK from Millennium. But he definitely had tenuous ties to the team and you offered a lot more than just money -- you offered a home. The Following PREVIEW has been Approved for ALL AUDIENCES by the Motion Picture Association of America NARRATOR: In a world where korean mercenaries dominate the field of Starcraft. Westerners had but one hope... one man... (Screen fades to black) (Angelic choir music starts playing) NARRATOR: HuK! (80s style sports montage where HuK owns korean face on the ladder) NARRATOR: Every team wanted him and they offered him more and more riches beyond wildest dreams, trying to outbid each other. Every team --- but Team Liquid, who spend all their money running an orphanage and making soup for the homeless. (Overview of a press room with huk standing behind a lectern packed with microphones) NARRATOR: When the day finally came when HuK had to choose a team, to everyones surprise HuK announced that he was joining Team Liquid. STARCRAFT REPORTER (Artosis): Why did you join Team Liquid instead of for example Evil Geniuses. They even have a pro house mansion for gods sake! (Close zoom on HuKs face) HUK: Because they offered me more than just money --- they offered a home. NARRATOR: Coming this summer: Team Liquid - The knights in shining +3 Armor. Rated PG-13.
This is exactly what I feel like I'm reading when fanboys are trying to explain how EG's acquiring players is somehow different from TL's acquiring of players.
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i really love how NASTL is using a format that is more similar to proleague, it makes lineup orders and map selection that much more important. and an ace match too! awesome. first nasl match i watched, and i think i will watch more after this.
GJ nasl and TL on the win!
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On February 07 2012 22:10 TheSubtleArt wrote:
This is like hating Chelsea for reforming their team when they got the financial backing to do so, and implying teams like Fulham and Blackburn wouldn't do the exact same thing with that kind of money.
everyone hates chelsea because of their owner. just like everyone hates man city now because of their owner. it's not exactly 100% rational, but it nevertheless triggers strong distaste from most people.
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I just wanted to say that I love this format and the broadcast quality is excellent. I'm so tired of watching SC2 where everything is super safe: Bo3/Bo5 double elimination tournaments, Bo7 series where every match is a Bo3, or just plain Bo9 matches. Matches like these bring awesome excitement because every game counts. Also, a SC2 broadcast doesn't have to be 4 hours long. With this format, broadcasts should be between 1-2 hours which I think is a nice comfortable duration.
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On February 07 2012 22:10 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 08:16 suejak wrote:On February 07 2012 07:52 TheSubtleArt wrote:On February 07 2012 07:35 suejak wrote:On February 07 2012 06:56 Sphen5117 wrote:On February 06 2012 14:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Team spirit > Mercenaries. Always a great thing to see ^_^ Wait....what? How are they mercenaries? You realize that all of these players are paid by their teams, right? Their salaries aren't for the amount of "a firm handshake and a warm smile" Do you think EG has mercenaries because the players are getting paid more there than they were on previous teams? You realize that's how professional sports works, right? When you're in such a dynamic industry, where your career could only last a few years, you have to accept the larger salaires, to save for the unknown that follows. The term "player - poaching" is absolutely stupid, btw. No team made the player sign that contract. If they actually only wanted team spirit, they wouldn't switch teams as often. You can't fault players for making financially sound decisions. So yeah, the image, in case you're new, comes from the way EG has uniquely acquired its high-profile players by offering them loads of money to leave their present teams... often in drama-filled circumstances (most significantly HuK and Puma). They shoot for tip-top players and buy them once they're huge. They bought Puma after he won NASL 1. They bought HuK after he made it into Code S. They also have what are rumoured to be the most expensive players in the industry. So ya, mercenary. A team of superstar would-be superpros slapped together with tons of money. So it's awesome when they get beat by the underdog "home team" of the SC community, TL. Dunno why that's hard to understand, to be honest. Every team would like to buy and field a group of powerhouse players, but you can't spend beyond your means. EG does it more because they enjoy a lot of financial power and a laundry list of sponsors. What's wrong with it? It's not like they're inherently evil; they're doing what every other team would try to do if they had that kind of money. Do you expect EG to go "well..we CAN buy a top Korean and have him play and improve our brand but we won't because it'll make other teams feel better"??? Btw it should be noted that Huk and Liquid are on very good terms and the Puma drama turned out to be almost nothing on EG's part.... So you seem to be arguing that it's morally ok to be the "mercenary" team... I think everybody agrees that it's up for debate whether it's cool or not to be the money-grubbers, but it's not really up for debate whether EG is that team or not. Anyway, my intent was to explain why the image exists. EG has lots of money and they buy players off with lots of fanfare in drama-filled circumstances. EG also cuts "underperformers" for not "providing an ROI". Liquid doesn't do either of these things, and so it doesn't have the same corporate mercenary image. I think Liquid benefits a ton from that, so I hope they don't try to argue that all teams are basically the same, deep down. It'd kill their brand. It's true that Huk and Liquid are on good terms and it's true that TSL ended up being (somewhat) suspect in the Puma drama, but it's also true that neither of these things matter. EG bought HuK from a beloved team in a community drama shitstorm that highlighted people's emotional impressions of the two teams (bad v good). EG bought Puma from a small underdog team IMMEDIATELY after his first major victory. That's what people saw, and that's what made the image. So yeah, being the rich team and buying off players earns you a mercenary image. Surprise! Thing is almost every single team has that mentality. Liquid bought Hero and Zenio, Light bought Golden, Col wanted Naniwa and Stephano, Slayers bought Clide and Puzzle....how are these any different? EG has more money so they buy more, but it's not like they're doing something that 90% of organizations wouldn't do with that kind of money... also the team definitely needed an overhaul because a line up of Idra, Machine, Incontrol, Strifecro, LZ and Axslav probably wasn't going to cut it with the intentions EG has. This is like hating Chelsea for reforming their team when they got the financial backing to do so, and implying teams like Fulham and Blackburn wouldn't do the exact same thing with that kind of money.
If you don't get it, I don't really know how to explain it to you.
It has nothing to do with fanboyism or anything, and I don't think I've expressed a preference or passed a moral judgement. For all you people know, I'm an EG fanboy.
Fact remains that EG's image in buying top players out of their "homes". Liquid didn't "buy" Hero and Zenio in anywhere near the same way. They both joined Liquid in the smoothest, most organic oGs->Liquid transfer possible. They still have the option to live with oGs guys, and in no way has oGs expressed any discontent over the "acquisitions".
Contrast this with HuK->EG, where there was a galactic-class shitstorm and a number prominent TL staff members had to grin and bear the acquisition. Some staff members were upset. TL's sponsor, the TLAF guy, said they did "EVERYTHING we could" to stop HuK being acquired by EG, but they couldn't do it. There was no bad blood in the sense that everybody on TL hates HuK or anything stupid like that, but it definitely was a straight-up cold buy-out.
The Puma affair had an extremely similar vibe back at the time. We now can think about it differently, but the drama at the time has done its work to build up EG's corporate mastermind image.
So I dunno what you guys don't get. This isn't even up for debate; EG has this image, plain and simple. No amount of calling people fanboys will change that, and I don't even really get why you care. They're mercenaries and that's kinda cool too. Whatever.
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I don't like EG because it seems like the only thing they really care about is fame. They buyout players whole show strong results or are very popular. However, they don't invest in infrastructure. They don't get coaches or strong supporting staff. Why would they? The community won't see that. It won't get them exposure.
Every player TL has bought improved tremendously. HuK, Sheth and Hero are showing much better results.
Puzzle has become an undesputable S class player since he moved to slayers.
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On February 07 2012 07:40 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:38 aderum wrote:On February 07 2012 07:37 Dodgin wrote:On February 07 2012 05:32 Liquid`NonY wrote:On February 07 2012 01:38 Venomsflame wrote:
This also doesn't even come close to changing my opinion that EG is a better team than TL. 3 Bo1s is silly, never liked this kind of format. This is just step one. Long before the year is out, you will see true. 2012 year of Liquid. Tyler changed his name back? woooooahhhhhh Hello where have you been these last days? =) :D Something such as this should have had a front page article written for it! I guess I somehow missed it. Or even in the Liquid news since that's where I look most of the time >.<
Agreed. The spirit of the Nony has returned to him. The enemies of Liquid shall tremble and despair.
This shit's a big deal.
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On February 08 2012 00:37 Daigomi wrote:
I just wanted to say that I love this format and the broadcast quality is excellent. I'm so tired of watching SC2 where everything is super safe: Bo3/Bo5 double elimination tournaments, Bo7 series where every match is a Bo3, or just plain Bo9 matches. Matches like these bring awesome excitement because every game counts. Also, a SC2 broadcast doesn't have to be 4 hours long. With this format, broadcasts should be between 1-2 hours which I think is a nice comfortable duration.
I disagree. Bo1 is a poor, poor format. It means a player can cheese/all-in and maybe snatch a win when they don't really deserve it - it's not entertaining to watch, and it isn't in the "spirit" of the game.
For team leagues, an ideal format would be to have best of 3 for each match up, and have two games on simultaneously, so people could choose what to watch. Alternatively, you could have two games for each match up, then if the score is tied have a best of 3 ace match.
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On February 08 2012 00:37 Daigomi wrote:
I just wanted to say that I love this format and the broadcast quality is excellent. I'm so tired of watching SC2 where everything is super safe: Bo3/Bo5 double elimination tournaments, Bo7 series where every match is a Bo3, or just plain Bo9 matches. Matches like these bring awesome excitement because every game counts. Also, a SC2 broadcast doesn't have to be 4 hours long. With this format, broadcasts should be between 1-2 hours which I think is a nice comfortable duration.
I like the Bo1 format but I still prefer the GSTL format where you have to beat every member of the team. I guess I just think all kills are cool.
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On February 07 2012 03:57 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 03:52 mastergriggy wrote:
Man, that was one sided. I do wish the tournament used BO3s though, BO1s are just too short. It's a Bo5...
Yeah I meant best of 3 for each round, but you'd still be wrong since the ace match is a best of three. So using your logic, it would actually be best of 7.
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On February 07 2012 15:52 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 18:29 dAPhREAk wrote:On February 06 2012 17:49 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On February 06 2012 16:52 IdrA wrote:On February 06 2012 16:43 NET wrote:On February 06 2012 14:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Team spirit > Mercenaries. Always a great thing to see ^_^ That's pretty funny, never thought of it that way. They were fun games to watch! I'm happy for the winners though. yaaaaa cuz liquid doesnt pay zenio and hero anything. they joined cuz theyre big liquid fans. imbeciles Not that I agree with the whole 'lol mercenaries' stuff, but the story behind both HerO's and Zenio's joining is a bit different than the usual 'See talent, throw money at it'. That's not to say that I think we are 'above' doing that or anything. need money first... =| How do you think we got Huk the first time around...?
edit: i sound dickish, so i am going to self-censor. congratulations team liquid on the win. although idra is my favorite player, liquid has always been my favorite team. hope you continue to succeed.
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people going pretty crazy over 1 clanwar
liquid did really well ret is crazy good zvt
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cant believe eg got 3-0d with such a stacked map line up for the race matchups
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On February 08 2012 02:15 Larkin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 00:37 Daigomi wrote:
I just wanted to say that I love this format and the broadcast quality is excellent. I'm so tired of watching SC2 where everything is super safe: Bo3/Bo5 double elimination tournaments, Bo7 series where every match is a Bo3, or just plain Bo9 matches. Matches like these bring awesome excitement because every game counts. Also, a SC2 broadcast doesn't have to be 4 hours long. With this format, broadcasts should be between 1-2 hours which I think is a nice comfortable duration. I disagree. Bo1 is a poor, poor format. It means a player can cheese/all-in and maybe snatch a win when they don't really deserve it - it's not entertaining to watch, and it isn't in the "spirit" of the game. For team leagues, an ideal format would be to have best of 3 for each match up, and have two games on simultaneously, so people could choose what to watch. Alternatively, you could have two games for each match up, then if the score is tied have a best of 3 ace match.
I'm sorry, but you'll have to support your opinions a bit more. Since when is cheese not entertaining to watch and not in the "spirit of the game"? Some of the most famous and entertaining SC games were cheeses. Also, I think we might have very different opinions on what is exciting. Having the best player "guaranteed" to win is the opposite of excitement for me. What makes SC exciting is not knowing who will win and watching both players do everything they can to win.
I agree with you that the better team should win most of the time, that's why the format is a Bo5 and not simply a Bo1 between the two best players. However, the underdog should also have a chance of causing an upset. It's not like the best team doesn't have a great chance of beating the weaker team in a Bo5. If we assume each player in the best team has a 70% chance of beating their opponent from the weaker team, the best team will win 5 out of every 6 matches (83.7% to be precise), which, given the difference in strength between the teams, is fair. If you change that to a Bo5xBo3, the odds increase to 13 out of every 14 matches (92.9%), which means the weaker team almost never wins. To add to this, the tournament is a round robin which means that a single loss doesn't even matter that much.
I honestly don't understand the amount of conservatism by SC2 tournament organizers. MSL and OSL were Bo1 double elimination groups or Bo1 round robin groups up to the Ro16. Added to that, the tournaments were only hosted once every 3 months, so a single result was much more significant than it is in SC2. Even with all this, the tournaments were consistently won by the top players. Why do we need to have a Bo3 double elimination or Bo3 round robin from the Ro64 in SC2? Does the community really think that if we make the earlier rounds Bo1 double elimination BitbyBit.Prime will end up winning a GSL? All it does is make the tournaments more predictable and decrease the value of prepared builds.
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On February 07 2012 21:14 Hydroxyl wrote:
There's a big problem of understanding and people are fighting pointlessly on semantics over here - we're not debating if EG pays or not his progamers, that's a retarded comment made to sink the point of the critic summed up under the word "mercenaries" that someone totally interested, that I will not name, brought here like the hellenic gods brought Pandora to the men: to see them fail.
Now let me if you allow me recentrate the debate, we're neither advocating EG to not pay their progamers, nor that in other teams, progamers join for other reasons than money, no, that's assumed and known. And not the problem we're talking about here.
The problem, as someone started to point out earlier doesn't stand from the point of view of the player, we don't mind if he plays for the money or the "team spirit"; that's not our business and doesn't matter on the topic.
The problem relies on the teams, and what they do with the money they get from the exposure of their high-paid progamers. Yes, the problem and critics goes to teams that say "Fuck this business, fuck esport, I don't want it to grow, I'm not going to develop the scene, I'm going to take in my pocket as much money as I can while it lasts (not long because of my business behavior, but there will be other businesses to tune in after to sustain myself so I don't care), I'm going to buy my talents (which is ok on the first hand) and with the exposure I get from them, I'm not going to invest into develop new talents and let the scene die from the stranghold I put on it (which is what we're talking about here). It's business models supported by structures policy that we criticize here.
When you see EG offering a contract to JYP, it's all good it means more exposure to EG, thus to the american scene since it's an americant team and EG is going to send JYP to all american events, and it is good for EG and the scene. But when you see EG not supporting anymore one the already few north american progamers, Axslav, despite the return on investment they will get from acquiring JYP, sign of what I hope to be their healthy economy and not their illusions of grandeur, even when Axslav is producing results and is improving (sign of better exposure to come), then the alarm is ringing, and you see pros writting desastrous blogs and tomatoes flying from fans hands: they all are ashamed of such attitude and ungratefulness from EG to the hands that are currently feeding them.
And it's not true that there's no other way of doing around, if they're not the only ones to do the same, some structures take the effort and money to invest in the scene that feeds them, and while it might be risky or long sighted, it is working and rewarding, for everybody, like Take investing in homestory cup instead of just buying out korean talents for his team, or Millenium growing french esports and getting what they deserve for it, world-class talents (Stephano was on Millenium since his early times of warcraft 3, and now is competing with the best, but other actors from Millenium are now getting professionnal contracts after a long effort of developping the scene itself). I don't say those teams won't get to the point of paying internationnal players, they all do and it's great, but they don't forget to give back to the hand that feed.
It applies to teams, but to events too, like Carmac said there's two kind of event organizators out there, the ones that don't care about developping the scene and make cheap invitationnal format to get the money here and now, and leave when the progammers they constantly fed retire, and the ones that understand that, for esport to grow and developp further than a bubble lasting a few years, you have to hold qualifiers and hold the flak for not having "celebrities", while those said celebrities got eliminated in said qualifiers.
Lol. Sorry man but I gotta say it:
What the fuck?
I read your post and I can see that you're very passionate about this... But I think your passion is SEVERELY misguided. Sure EG are the proverbial bad guys, but they ROCK that image. That image HELPS them develop e-sports because it adds to their players personality. I LOVE to fucking DESPISE IdrA, and my heart is still scarred from where HuK tore it, and that's FANTASTIC. The TL- EG rivalry!? Puma vs Hero!? It's all SO GOOD for e-sports.
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