[IPL] FC8: Nerchio vs Jjakji - Page 13

On January 29 2012 11:02 Seraphone wrote:


The Zenio game was from well over a year ago. Not really relevant.

In the last few months he's shown fantastic TvZ.

On January 29 2012 11:00 Azhrei16 wrote:
From the results I could find, Jjakji is 6-4 against Zergs in the GSL. 0-2 Zenio, 2-0 Luvsic, 2-0 Lucky, 0-2 Leenock, 4-2 Leenock. That's it. Need to hold off before we can say this guy has "amazing!" TvZ.

On January 29 2012 10:59 1Eris1 wrote:



Obviously it's top tier quality, but I just don't understand how we put one great series > months and months of continued sucess in the MU. (MVP and MMA)

Also, using Zenio in an attempt to justify amazing TvZ isn't all that telling

On January 29 2012 11:04 xsnac wrote:


do you rly compare jakji to goody ? "the guy that gets supply block every 25 seconds and have 5/5 queue units in rax" even mc sad goody has horrible macro @ hsc

On January 29 2012 11:05 wklbishop wrote:


That loss against Zenio was from a 2010 man back when he was a scrub.

Plus, he's one of the few terrans that was able to consistently spank Stephano on ladder. That's why Leenock said in an interview he considered Jjakji's TvZ on MVP's level due to ladder experiences Leenock had personally with the guy.

Besides, if anyone watched ESV weekly then they'll have realized that he is a sick player even before he all-killed FXO.

On January 29 2012 11:05 Azhrei16 wrote:


Against who? I can't find complete results for him on Liquipedia. He 4-2'd Leenock, that's all I can see. After he was able to watch replays of Leenock beating MVP in a close series 3-2.

On January 29 2012 11:06 Seraphone wrote:


Leenock and Sen.

On January 29 2012 11:07 Asha` wrote:


Also beat Jookto in a recent ESV weekly and tooled Zenio in the FIS this week.

+ manhandled July in a very nice macro TvZ in the qualifers for IPL TA

On January 29 2012 11:00 Azhrei16 wrote:
From the results I could find, Jjakji is 6-4 against Zergs in the GSL. 0-2 Zenio, 2-0 Luvsic, 2-0 Lucky, 0-2 Leenock, 4-2 Leenock. That's it. Need to hold off before we can say this guy has "amazing!" TvZ.

On January 29 2012 11:09 The Final Boss wrote:

I see how his results in GSL Open Season 2 against Zenio are more relevant to his skill than his ridiculous performance in TvZ. Why are you not including Up/Downs, GSTL, and ESV Weekly exactly? Up/Downs and GSTL both are relevant as is the Korean Weekly tournaments. (and if we're not including online events than Nerchio would have literally nothing speaking to his credibility other than winning over a tired, jetlagged GoOdy who had already taken out his toughest competition). Jjakji is 29-15 (65.91%) in TvZ, that's pretty amazing.

On January 29 2012 11:09 The Final Boss wrote:

I see how his results in GSL Open Season 2 against Zenio are more relevant to his skill than his ridiculous performance in TvZ. Why are you not including Up/Downs, GSTL, and ESV Weekly exactly? Up/Downs and GSTL both are relevant as is the Korean Weekly tournaments. (and if we're not including online events than Nerchio would have literally nothing speaking to his credibility other than winning over a tired, jetlagged GoOdy who had already taken out his toughest competition). Jjakji is 29-15 (65.91%) in TvZ, that's pretty amazing.

On January 29 2012 11:12 1Eris1 wrote:



Well yes, but I don't think it necessarily qualifies him as "best TvZ in the world' as some people are saying.

For comparison, MVP has a 67% winrate and MMA an 80% winrate

On January 29 2012 11:16 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I think the Team Liquid forum is suffering from a classic case of "follow the leader" syndrome. There was very little fanfare surrounding Jjakji when he got through Ro32 and Ro16 (didn't really deserve any, his games weren't very convincing) and his victories over Puzzle and Oz got lukewarm responses compared to Leenock's path. But after Tastosis praised the crap out of his series vs Leenock, people became convinced that he would maintain that high level of play all the time. Suddenly he became this godly unbeatable player with perfect TvZ. Everyone forgot how weak his TvT could be and that it would be humanely impossible to maintain that level of play in every single match, every single series.

Undoubtedly lag is playing a role in the poor micro we've seen so far. But he's lost to Code B Protosses Finale and Younghwa in KSL events. He looked very mortal against Jookto, almost lost to a resurgent Ace, was beaten by TheStC and got rolled by Ganzi. Now that Jjakji is a proven champion he is also a worthwhile target, and people will be dedicating time to figuring out his playstyle. None of this applies to the showmatch occurring right now, but don't be surprised if he turns in some disappointing performances in the next few months.

On January 29 2012 11:16 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I think the Team Liquid forum is suffering from a classic case of "follow the leader" syndrome. There was very little fanfare surrounding Jjakji when he got through Ro32 and Ro16 (didn't really deserve any, his games weren't very convincing) and his victories over Puzzle and Oz got lukewarm responses compared to Leenock's path. But after Tastosis praised the crap out of his series vs Leenock, people became convinced that he would maintain that high level of play all the time. Suddenly he became this godly unbeatable player with perfect TvZ. Everyone forgot how weak his TvT could be and that it would be humanely impossible to maintain that level of play in every single match, every single series. He always had great TvZ but the Leenock series really showcased how great it was when combined with his good preparation.

Undoubtedly lag is playing a role in the poor micro we've seen so far. But he's lost to Code B Protosses Finale and Younghwa in KSL events. He looked very mortal against Jookto, almost lost to a resurgent Ace, was beaten by TheStC and got rolled by Ganzi. Now that Jjakji is a proven champion he is also a worthwhile target, and people will be dedicating time to figuring out his playstyle. None of this applies to the showmatch occurring right now, but don't be surprised if he turns in some disappointing performances in the next few months.

And would it hurt a little to give Nerchio some credit?