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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 29 2012 01:49 GMT
#201
Come on Jjakji, turn it around. If you lose I know there are going to be those 1-2 posters that will spam nothing but "Nechio best ZvT on the planet" for the next two weeks.

On a side note. I'm suprised how many people seem to think Jjakji has the best TvZ in the world after only one series
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 29 2012 01:49 GMT
#202
On January 29 2012 10:46 McFeser wrote:
How come Nerchio couldn't play this well against MC at HC4? He's doing really well.

Why do you pick the one series he lost at HC4? He beat Thorzain, violet and Hero.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 01:49:49
January 29 2012 01:49 GMT
#203
On January 29 2012 10:46 McFeser wrote:
How come Nerchio couldn't play this well against MC at HC4? He's doing really well.


Because ZvP is his weakest matchup and MC is really good at it himself. Plus there were some mindgames that threw Nerchio off.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 29 2012 01:50 GMT
#204
hsc4 was lan and nerchio has nerve issues i think. he played terribly at hsc4 and just got rolled by mc.

dont know what jjajkji is doing. mech vs zerg is so bad, even when mvp does it he loses.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 01:50:38
January 29 2012 01:50 GMT
#205
On January 29 2012 10:47 casualman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 10:46 Bagration wrote:
Well, I admit that I predicted that Jjakji would dominate Nerchio, and while this series is long from over, I will admit that I appear to have been mistaken again. Well played Nerchio

IPL Fight Club: Where even top Koreans are mortal.

More like IPL: Where koreans play with massive amounts of lag. At least a 2 second delay.


lol

Don't forget he's jet-lagged, tired, sick and plays with one hand on his back while sage tickles his feet with a feather.
wat
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4414 Posts
January 29 2012 01:50 GMT
#206
On January 29 2012 10:50 aintz wrote:
hsc4 was lan and nerchio has nerve issues i think. he played terribly at hsc4 and just got rolled by mc.

dont know what jjajkji is doing. mech vs zerg is so bad, even when mvp does it he loses.


MVP has beaten DRG and Nestea with mech.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 29 2012 01:50 GMT
#207
On January 29 2012 10:34 AzoriuS wrote:
You all guys are very funny. Before the match you talk about crushing Nerchio. Now when he wins a game, you talk about lag and try to justify loss of Korean superstar.

Have you been watching this game? Nerchio is playing well, but Jjakji is seriously under performing. If it isn't the lag, would you please explain to me why these games are happening like this? Watch Jjakji's games in GSL, GSTL, even the ESV Weekly tournaments; all his moves are spot on, his control near perfect, and everything just falls into place. Right now it looks super sloppy like it's a completely different player. Lag is really altering this game, were they to play at a LAN/offline event this wouldn't even be close.

Also, I kind of disagree with DoA about double reactor Hellion. I think that if you wind up going mech afterwards (especially if you get that early armory for the upgrades) then your tech isn't that far behind. If you decide to go bio then you are behind but that's also a stupid build order to do.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 29 2012 01:50 GMT
#208
On January 29 2012 10:48 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 10:43 Chicane wrote:
On January 29 2012 10:36 Seraphone wrote:
On January 29 2012 10:34 AzoriuS wrote:
You all guys are very funny. Before the match you talk about crushing Nerchio. Now when he wins a game, you talk about lag and try to justify loss of Korean superstar.


I love the guys who live in a dreamland where lag doesn't exist. There's a reason guys like Huk, Jinro, Idra and Naniwa have just flat out refused to play online tournaments because of the lag.


I love how you say that Jjakji is going to win somewhere around 5-1 or 5-2 when you know he is playing for the korean server...

On January 27 2012 07:04 Seraphone wrote:
Jjakji is obviously going to win this but I think Nerchio will take a game or two. It's pretty hard to win a best of 9 without losing a single game.


And then when Nerchio plays well you just fall back on the lag issue. You're just making yourself look like an idiot. You are saying...

On January 29 2012 10:36 Seraphone wrote:
On January 29 2012 10:34 AzoriuS wrote:
You all guys are very funny. Before the match you talk about crushing Nerchio. Now when he wins a game, you talk about lag and try to justify loss of Korean superstar.


I love the guys who live in a dreamland where lag doesn't exist.


Oh? You mean, yourself? You predicted Jjakji easily winning when you knew he was playing from Korea, but NOW it is a valid excuse? Come on. Either you think it isn't a big enough issue that Jjakji can crush him anyway, or you shouldn't have made such a prediction (and then get defensive about it with the following comments) if you apparently knew it was an issue.


Oh you silly boy. Perhaps you would care to read the countless comments from pro's on the topic who state that A) Lag is very different depending on which pro house you're playing from and B) The lag is really unpredictable, some days it will be okay and others it's borderline unplayable.

For example everyone knows the IM house has unplayable lag to the extent Nestea won't play online and Fenix refused to play NASL 2 after a few rounds.

OGS on the other hand is regarded as having one of the better connections.


"Silly boy"? If you are going to make an argument, make an argument and do not resort to ad hominem attacks.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
January 29 2012 01:50 GMT
#209
Okay but then the mass of corruptor kills the split vikings more easily when they are in smaller number and you can not kite with split vikings. Its all theory crafting but infestor brood lord corruptor is extremely powerful if not unbalanced.
Azhrei16
Profile Joined August 2011
United States284 Posts
January 29 2012 01:51 GMT
#210
I think everyone needs to realize that yeah, Jjakji won a GSL championship. Lost to MVP but still advanced from his group, then beat two protoss and Leenock. This guy hasn't been around the scene for that long and we haven't gotten to see him play a ton of games, he could just be a flash in the pan. Never know. Plus Nerchio had one of the highest win rates in Starcraft II as of 2011.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
January 29 2012 01:51 GMT
#211
well i knew nerchio was a strong player but DUDE he has been shredding jjakji i mean we kinda expected jjakji the code S champ (who had an epic TvZ match agaisnt leenock) to kinda win this game but i guess MMA is the true TvZ expert T_T jjakji com'on pull through even if u lose plz give us some tottaly epic kick ass games
I mean IPL did say this series was epic
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
January 29 2012 01:51 GMT
#212
Pretty terrible play from both sides tbh. Nerchio made so many hatcheries and so few drones he didn't have a bank after being maxed and having 6 bases. If MVP was playing mech, nerchio would have lost over 100 drones to hellions that game since his reaction time and defense was poor. Jjakji just run his units to die for most of the game. Why is the play quality so much lower than standard KR ladder streams?
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
January 29 2012 01:51 GMT
#213
more exuses. some of you guys just cant deal with reality. MC is playing toss afair and ZvP is Nerchio worst match up. Also Stephano is like 0-4 with MC. You mean Steph is crap too?
oh in the sun sun having fun
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 29 2012 01:52 GMT
#214
On January 29 2012 10:50 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 10:48 Seraphone wrote:
On January 29 2012 10:43 Chicane wrote:
On January 29 2012 10:36 Seraphone wrote:
On January 29 2012 10:34 AzoriuS wrote:
You all guys are very funny. Before the match you talk about crushing Nerchio. Now when he wins a game, you talk about lag and try to justify loss of Korean superstar.


I love the guys who live in a dreamland where lag doesn't exist. There's a reason guys like Huk, Jinro, Idra and Naniwa have just flat out refused to play online tournaments because of the lag.


I love how you say that Jjakji is going to win somewhere around 5-1 or 5-2 when you know he is playing for the korean server...

On January 27 2012 07:04 Seraphone wrote:
Jjakji is obviously going to win this but I think Nerchio will take a game or two. It's pretty hard to win a best of 9 without losing a single game.


And then when Nerchio plays well you just fall back on the lag issue. You're just making yourself look like an idiot. You are saying...

On January 29 2012 10:36 Seraphone wrote:
On January 29 2012 10:34 AzoriuS wrote:
You all guys are very funny. Before the match you talk about crushing Nerchio. Now when he wins a game, you talk about lag and try to justify loss of Korean superstar.


I love the guys who live in a dreamland where lag doesn't exist.


Oh? You mean, yourself? You predicted Jjakji easily winning when you knew he was playing from Korea, but NOW it is a valid excuse? Come on. Either you think it isn't a big enough issue that Jjakji can crush him anyway, or you shouldn't have made such a prediction (and then get defensive about it with the following comments) if you apparently knew it was an issue.


Oh you silly boy. Perhaps you would care to read the countless comments from pro's on the topic who state that A) Lag is very different depending on which pro house you're playing from and B) The lag is really unpredictable, some days it will be okay and others it's borderline unplayable.

For example everyone knows the IM house has unplayable lag to the extent Nestea won't play online and Fenix refused to play NASL 2 after a few rounds.

OGS on the other hand is regarded as having one of the better connections.


"Silly boy"? If you are going to make an argument, make an argument and do not resort to ad hominem attacks.


Erm what?
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 01:55:51
January 29 2012 01:52 GMT
#215
On January 29 2012 10:49 1Eris1 wrote:
Come on Jjakji, turn it around. If you lose I know there are going to be those 1-2 posters that will spam nothing but "Nechio best ZvT on the planet" for the next two weeks.

On a side note. I'm suprised how many people seem to think Jjakji has the best TvZ in the world after only one series

But his play his really really good, he dismantled Zenio. Its is very methodical and he has great unit control and versatility.

What people need to understand is just like cross server events are good achievements (even with lag) it is not the main game type either player practices for.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
January 29 2012 01:52 GMT
#216
On January 29 2012 10:46 McFeser wrote:
How come Nerchio couldn't play this well against MC at HC4? He's doing really well.

I think ZvP is his worst matchup and the games were over pretty fast. If I remember correctly 2 losses were because he build his roach warren to late and died to mass zealots.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 29 2012 01:54 GMT
#217
On January 29 2012 10:50 aintz wrote:
hsc4 was lan and nerchio has nerve issues i think. he played terribly at hsc4 and just got rolled by mc.

dont know what jjajkji is doing. mech vs zerg is so bad, even when mvp does it he loses.

Since when is Mech vs Zerg bad? Jjakji controlled and reacted badly to what Nerchio is doing, but Mech vs Zerg is super strong. Once you reach 200/200 it can be near impossible to stop you.

Also, DoA "not as much innovation in the Korean scene." What on earth are you talking about? Have you heard about SlayerS? Sure you might not encounter SLush or KiWiKaKi style wacky builds on the Korean server, but Korean teams have been consistently pumping out the best strategies and seem to be consistently ahead.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
January 29 2012 01:54 GMT
#218
On January 29 2012 10:50 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 10:47 casualman wrote:
On January 29 2012 10:46 Bagration wrote:
Well, I admit that I predicted that Jjakji would dominate Nerchio, and while this series is long from over, I will admit that I appear to have been mistaken again. Well played Nerchio

IPL Fight Club: Where even top Koreans are mortal.

More like IPL: Where koreans play with massive amounts of lag. At least a 2 second delay.


lol

Don't forget he's jet-lagged, tired, sick and plays with one hand on his back while sage tickles his feet with a feather.

Lag is also why SlayerS will never win the Team Arena and IM will never win in the TAC.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 29 2012 01:54 GMT
#219
wow, gogo nerchio all kill inc? ^^

Hope for some more good games, this is going to be a hard map to take though jjakji is strong on antiga
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
AzoriuS
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland74 Posts
January 29 2012 01:55 GMT
#220
On January 29 2012 10:36 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 10:34 AzoriuS wrote:
You all guys are very funny. Before the match you talk about crushing Nerchio. Now when he wins a game, you talk about lag and try to justify loss of Korean superstar.


I love the guys who live in a dreamland where lag doesn't exist. There's a reason guys like Huk, Jinro, Idra and Naniwa have just flat out refused to play online tournaments because of the lag.


It looks like this showmatch for you and your friends is worthless because in your minds Nerchio already lost no matter what score will be at the end.
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