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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
January 30 2012 09:16 GMT
#1941
The way Stephano handled the situation wasn't very good. I think forfeiting his games is perfectly fine, but just going AWOL wasn't.
Taking his second place money is unfair since he did win his semis. Also, if you start doing this, then next time a player won't be able to play finals, he'll rush probes every game and get his 2nd place money rather than getting 4th place money. Not sure that's what people want.
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HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 09:21:44
January 30 2012 09:16 GMT
#1942
On January 30 2012 18:03 riffraffselbow wrote:
Hello. This is my first TL post. I'm an occasional SC2 player, who watches a decent number of streams. I don't really have any favorites, save Day9, but he's a caster. Just giving some background on my perspective.

I feel:
-The decision to say that Stephano placed fourth is immature and shows a lack of judgement; I was excited about ONOG reading about their Barcraft events, but I don't think I'd want to go to one now.
-Stephano's actions are less than angelic, but not unreasonable.
-It's a shitty situation no matter what, for basically everyone involved.
-The "Right to forfeit" should be absolute, and shouldn't require a reason.
-That said, viewers can and most certainly should ostracize players who forfeit more than they think they should
-And organizers shouldn't invite players who they think are liable to forfeit "too much"


For those of you who argue that he should have played them out: What if he had Naniwa worker rushed them? Would you argue he should lose 2nd place? How about if he played, but didn't play well? Would you say we need a judging panel to tell whether the player is "really trying"?

And for those of you claiming he needs to man up, fuck you. There can be any number of reasons why he'd be tired. To say that he's not allowed to sleep because you need your e-giggles is beyond low.


Best first post ever

And welcome btw

I hope you will stay long even with all the emo rage going on TL. I swear to god if it wasnt Stephano then im sure it would be something els.

Polt forfeited a final the other day becuase he was also in a final in another cup and there was more money to be made. Not a single word was sayd about that.

But Stephano wow different matter.

riffraffselbow
Profile Joined December 2010
United States6 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 09:25:09
January 30 2012 09:23 GMT
#1943
On January 30 2012 18:16 Jarree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 18:09 loginn wrote:

THE RIGHT TO FORFEIT SHOULD BE ABSOLUTE AND SHOULDN'T REQUIRE A REASON !

Why? Because you said so and you are the ultimate judge of the universe? A tournament should be able to make it's own rules and enforce them. I think in future tournaments will have more specific rules that cover forfeiting matches.

If there are specific rules? sure, I guess. My main problem with rules against forfeit is how you define forfeit. If he had joined 4 games with Kas and typed gg at the 5 second mark and left each one, is that still forfeit? Yes, you say. How about naniwa probe rush? Yes? What if he played, but was playing an all-in strategy and lost all 4 games? would you say he was forfeiting then?

endy: My understanding of the situation is that he basically told the organizers: "Je suis TIRED. I'm gonna sleep, either reschedule the final or I forfeit", which I feel is plenty warning, even if it is a bit presumptuous/rude/pompous/what-have-you.
FoUsTy
Profile Joined August 2010
France45 Posts
January 30 2012 09:25 GMT
#1944
Stephano just don't care about his viewer/caster/orga...this is ridiculous. Just boycott......

"Hi, i'm too tired, can i make my exam tomorrow"
"Joke?"

This is the difference in "real life" and this stupid bullshit of "god player" thinking they can make whatever they are wanting to do...

mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
January 30 2012 09:28 GMT
#1945
Well, Stephano could have avoided this whole debacle by PLANNING which tournaments he'll be in properly. Sounds to me like he got a little greedy and tried to go for two back to back tournaments in a row.
Starcraft 2 and eSports enthusiast. https://twitter.com/#!/mrGRAPETV | http://mrgrapetv.wordpress.com/
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 30 2012 09:29 GMT
#1946
On January 30 2012 18:25 FoUsTy wrote:
Stephano just don't care about his viewer/caster/orga...this is ridiculous. Just boycott......

"Hi, i'm too tired, can i make my exam tomorrow"
"Joke?"

This is the difference in "real life" and this stupid bullshit of "god player" thinking they can make whatever they are wanting to do...



Holy shit I know now why Stephano chose to retire after this year. If I was a pro player and had to read stuff like this I would just say screw it.

He had played for 12 hours strait it was 4 am in the morning get it? He got every right to forfeit. He asked to play another time they sayd no what should he do. Drone rush for 4 games strait?

Sometimes Im really worried about pro players and how they get treated.
Dandy_Moustachu
Profile Joined July 2010
France422 Posts
January 30 2012 09:29 GMT
#1947
On January 30 2012 18:28 mrGRAPE wrote:
Well, Stephano could have avoided this whole debacle by PLANNING which tournaments he'll be in properly. Sounds to me like he got a little greedy and tried to go for two back to back tournaments in a row.


Stephano could have avoided all this drama by unplugging his internet cable and saying he lose his connection too :D
Pif Paf Pouf
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 30 2012 09:30 GMT
#1948
On January 30 2012 18:28 mrGRAPE wrote:
Well, Stephano could have avoided this whole debacle by PLANNING which tournaments he'll be in properly. Sounds to me like he got a little greedy and tried to go for two back to back tournaments in a row.


Just like every other player there is. This is normal. Polt the other day did the exact same thing and had to forfeit a final to play in another final..
FoUsTy
Profile Joined August 2010
France45 Posts
January 30 2012 09:31 GMT
#1949
"How they get treated" AHAH. You know in the word, there is LOT people working (not playing) WORKING 12 hours for something like 10$ ?
Open your eyes man........................................................
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
January 30 2012 09:32 GMT
#1950
On January 30 2012 18:23 riffraffselbow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 18:16 Jarree wrote:
On January 30 2012 18:09 loginn wrote:

THE RIGHT TO FORFEIT SHOULD BE ABSOLUTE AND SHOULDN'T REQUIRE A REASON !

Why? Because you said so and you are the ultimate judge of the universe? A tournament should be able to make it's own rules and enforce them. I think in future tournaments will have more specific rules that cover forfeiting matches.

If there are specific rules? sure, I guess. My main problem with rules against forfeit is how you define forfeit. If he had joined 4 games with Kas and typed gg at the 5 second mark and left each one, is that still forfeit? Yes, you say. How about naniwa probe rush? Yes? What if he played, but was playing an all-in strategy and lost all 4 games? would you say he was forfeiting then?

endy: My understanding of the situation is that he basically told the organizers: "Je suis TIRED. I'm gonna sleep, either reschedule the final or I forfeit", which I feel is plenty warning, even if it is a bit presumptuous/rude/pompous/what-have-you.

Yeah the problem is that it's still a young industry and forfeits are not that common. So there are no rules yet about the situation. But i'm sure there will be at least a generic rule that allows a tournament director to use his discretion. I can think of a lot of other sports where forfeiting a final match would lead to sanctions. I don't know what the solution will be, but stating (with capslock) that forfeiting is like an universal god given right is just plain wrong.
mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
January 30 2012 09:34 GMT
#1951
On January 30 2012 18:30 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 18:28 mrGRAPE wrote:
Well, Stephano could have avoided this whole debacle by PLANNING which tournaments he'll be in properly. Sounds to me like he got a little greedy and tried to go for two back to back tournaments in a row.


Just like every other player there is. This is normal. Polt the other day did the exact same thing and had to forfeit a final to play in another final..



So what's the deal here? Polt does it so it's OK if Stephano does it as well?
Starcraft 2 and eSports enthusiast. https://twitter.com/#!/mrGRAPETV | http://mrgrapetv.wordpress.com/
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 09:36:32
January 30 2012 09:35 GMT
#1952
On January 30 2012 18:34 mrGRAPE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 18:30 HappyChris wrote:
On January 30 2012 18:28 mrGRAPE wrote:
Well, Stephano could have avoided this whole debacle by PLANNING which tournaments he'll be in properly. Sounds to me like he got a little greedy and tried to go for two back to back tournaments in a row.


Just like every other player there is. This is normal. Polt the other day did the exact same thing and had to forfeit a final to play in another final..



So what's the deal here? Polt does it so it's OK if Stephano does it as well?


No. The deal is : If you blame Stephano, blame Polt too. Or don't blame anyone.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 30 2012 09:37 GMT
#1953
On January 30 2012 18:31 FoUsTy wrote:
"How they get treated" AHAH. You know in the word, there is LOT people working (not playing) WORKING 12 hours for something like 10$ ?
Open your eyes man........................................................



Ahh so you pissed you had to work 12 hours for 10$ an hour? And you just have to lat out you frustation on stephano becuase he makes alot of money playing sc 2?

jealousy is a bitch man

User was temp banned for this post.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
January 30 2012 09:37 GMT
#1954
On January 30 2012 18:34 mrGRAPE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 18:30 HappyChris wrote:
On January 30 2012 18:28 mrGRAPE wrote:
Well, Stephano could have avoided this whole debacle by PLANNING which tournaments he'll be in properly. Sounds to me like he got a little greedy and tried to go for two back to back tournaments in a row.


Just like every other player there is. This is normal. Polt the other day did the exact same thing and had to forfeit a final to play in another final..



So what's the deal here? Polt does it so it's OK if Stephano does it as well?

Polt is example here cause earlier in this thread somone said that koreans never forfeits their games even if they play on some strange time. And the quick reply was that Polt has forfeit the last Zotac final.
fAiryqt
Profile Joined April 2011
Russian Federation138 Posts
January 30 2012 09:39 GMT
#1955
With all being said i had some statements for myself about this situation:

- It is a tournament on NA server, and the timezones are not in favor for european players, so this was only their right to accept this, when they stepped to this. Kas did well playing very late games for Euro timezone, finishing v Sheth series in around 4-5 am. He was ok about it - so he played and did well.

- ONOG guys give players money for games, not only your placement. It is a joke to say - well, i'm fine with my 2nd place, just give me my money, because it's not a 100$ tourney, 2250$ for 1-2 places is a big amount of money, and i understand ONOG being dissapointed, that they could just give money for players with no games being played. Okay, Kas and Stephano were favorites of the whole tourney, so why host the tourney just give them money - is that the right attitude? I think no.

I support ONOG with their decision on every level. This was a great event to watch and i'm dissapointed bcoz of all this stephano drama. I'm here not to talk about players behavior, i'm here to watch games.
gezus
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
January 30 2012 09:40 GMT
#1956
On January 30 2012 18:37 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 18:34 mrGRAPE wrote:
On January 30 2012 18:30 HappyChris wrote:
On January 30 2012 18:28 mrGRAPE wrote:
Well, Stephano could have avoided this whole debacle by PLANNING which tournaments he'll be in properly. Sounds to me like he got a little greedy and tried to go for two back to back tournaments in a row.


Just like every other player there is. This is normal. Polt the other day did the exact same thing and had to forfeit a final to play in another final..



So what's the deal here? Polt does it so it's OK if Stephano does it as well?

Polt is example here cause earlier in this thread somone said that koreans never forfeits their games even if they play on some strange time. And the quick reply was that Polt has forfeit the last Zotac final.


He did forfeit it because there was more money involved in the Polarfluke finals against BLY and he chose to play that instead. In the semifinals of Zotac he all-ined aTn.Delphi ... he wrote me and was quiet pissed to find out Polt gave W/O -_-
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
January 30 2012 09:40 GMT
#1957
On January 30 2012 18:35 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 18:34 mrGRAPE wrote:
On January 30 2012 18:30 HappyChris wrote:
On January 30 2012 18:28 mrGRAPE wrote:
Well, Stephano could have avoided this whole debacle by PLANNING which tournaments he'll be in properly. Sounds to me like he got a little greedy and tried to go for two back to back tournaments in a row.


Just like every other player there is. This is normal. Polt the other day did the exact same thing and had to forfeit a final to play in another final..



So what's the deal here? Polt does it so it's OK if Stephano does it as well?


No. The deal is : If you blame Stephano, blame Polt too. Or don't blame anyone.


I don't see why some of the blame shouldn't be on both of these players. They planned the tournaments they wanted to be in, they knew the schedules of the matches that were going to be played. If there was a clash in schedule, they'll be aware. Over runs do happen but like I said, they got greedy and they couldn't handle it.
Starcraft 2 and eSports enthusiast. https://twitter.com/#!/mrGRAPETV | http://mrgrapetv.wordpress.com/
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
January 30 2012 09:43 GMT
#1958
Yeah I dont understand the reaction from the tournament organisers. Stephano earned the right to play in the finals under their own tournament structure so he should have received 2nd place after the forfeit according to their own tournament structure.

It's always better to keep yourself entirely blame-free when this happens and act accordingly to the rules. No-one would have started any drama with ONOG if this had happened, everyone would focus on Stephano.

Learn from this, future tournaments.



Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
January 30 2012 09:44 GMT
#1959
On January 30 2012 18:40 mrGRAPE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 18:35 Agathon wrote:
On January 30 2012 18:34 mrGRAPE wrote:
On January 30 2012 18:30 HappyChris wrote:
On January 30 2012 18:28 mrGRAPE wrote:
Well, Stephano could have avoided this whole debacle by PLANNING which tournaments he'll be in properly. Sounds to me like he got a little greedy and tried to go for two back to back tournaments in a row.


Just like every other player there is. This is normal. Polt the other day did the exact same thing and had to forfeit a final to play in another final..



So what's the deal here? Polt does it so it's OK if Stephano does it as well?


No. The deal is : If you blame Stephano, blame Polt too. Or don't blame anyone.


I don't see why some of the blame shouldn't be on both of these players. They planned the tournaments they wanted to be in, they knew the schedules of the matches that were going to be played. If there was a clash in schedule, they'll be aware. Over runs do happen but like I said, they got greedy and they couldn't handle it.


Me neither ! The fact is : Nobody blames Polt, but Stephano is an ass according to some people.

"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
Vira
Profile Joined November 2010
573 Posts
January 30 2012 09:46 GMT
#1960
I watched this tournament only for Stephano and I think I am not the only one since the player pool arent so good, so I think organizer get their money back with Stephano even if he forfeit final.
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