EPTONOG 3K Online Invitational Jan. 28th & Jan. 29th - Page 104
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Crazyahmed
Canada280 Posts
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mrGRAPE
Singapore293 Posts
On January 30 2012 21:44 MrBitter wrote: I am personally very sorry if anyone was offended by anything said during the broadcast. I think TumbaSC should have something to say about this | ||
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F-Decoy
France245 Posts
What is missing is fixed rule, a general way to handle forfeit in SC2 tournaments. Sadly it's not like sports where one leading organisation write the rules, it's a lot of private tournaments where organisators do what they want (hopefully always in the best way). You don't want such misunderstanding to happen again? Just find a way to have all tournaments with the same rules; but it isn't players neither fans to do that. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On January 30 2012 21:22 MrBitter wrote: I've been staying pretty tight-lipped on this one, but I am going to go ahead and sound off in support of the ONOG decision. I'm going to rationalize it a little differently though. Kas and Stephano both won their semi-final matches. Stephano forfeited his spot in the final. This is not the same as Kas winning. We still had to hold our final. With Stephano out, the two "highest seeds" were Catz and Illusion. Those two played to determine who plays vs. Kas. The loser would play for 3rd place. Stephano was not there to play for 3rd, and thus forfeits, getting 4th. How is this wrong or unfair to anyone, save the viewers who were cheated out of a Kas vs Stephano final? The 3rd/4th place match already happened before didn't it? | ||
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reapsen
Germany559 Posts
And the announcement by "Deric, the President of One Nation of Gamers" sounds very different, from what you just said. Quote Deric: Given that principle, I came to the decision to penalize Stephano and move him to 4th place, have Catz and Illusion play for 2nd/3rd, and have the victor play against Kas. There it sounds like, he is mad at stephano and kind of arbitrarily penalizes him by "moving him to 4th". He doesn't mention any ruleset that this decision is based on. Also no talk about Stephano giving up his spot in the finals. Not to mention that this makes no sense at all: - When you win a semi-final you are in the final. When you forfeit then, you give up the spot for 1st place. - When you forfeit a semi-final you give up the spot in the final. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
So the money is basically for qualifying / winning the qualifier + attending? | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On January 30 2012 21:53 Frankon wrote: The 3rd/4th place match already happened before didn't it? No, it had not been played. On January 30 2012 21:54 reapsen wrote: @MrBitter: I think the main problem is, that there were no prior rules on how forfeits are to be dealt with. And the announcement by "Deric, the President of One Nation of Gamers" sounds very different, from what you just said. Quote Deric: There it sounds like, he is mad at stephano and kind of arbitrarily penalizes him by "moving him to 4th". He doesn't mention any ruleset that this decision is based on. Also no talk about Stephano giving up his spot in the finals. Not to mention that this makes no sense at all: - When you win a semi-final you are in the final. When you forfeit then, you give up the spot for 1st place. - When you forfeit a semi-final you give up the spot in the final. Ultimately, Deric okayed the decision, but I was the one who suggested we handle it the way that we did. Was Deric pissed? Maybe. I would have been. But he didn't say "man I'm mad, how can I penalize this guy?" He asked me what I would do, and I told him. On January 30 2012 21:57 mTw|NarutO wrote: ESL doesn't give out price money for a person winning an IEM Spot if that person cannot attend afterwards? I thought they would still pay the winner... and if he cannot make it, he just loses his spot? So the money is basically for qualifying / winning the qualifier + attending? Yes. If a player does not attend, he gets no cash. | ||
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Guidji
France20 Posts
On January 30 2012 21:09 leo23 wrote: Truly disgusting. I will refrain from watching ONOG events. ONOG has nothing to do with what bitter said, what I will do is refrain from watching everything with Bitter involved. And should ONOG not hire him again, I see no problem looking at their tournament ! | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On January 30 2012 21:59 Guidji wrote: ONOG has nothing to do with what bitter said, what I will do is refrain from watching everything with Bitter involved. And should ONOG not hire him again, I see no problem looking at their tournament ! Makes me sad to read stuff like this, but it's also the best way to get your point across. | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On January 30 2012 21:57 mTw|NarutO wrote: ESL doesn't give out price money for a person winning an IEM Spot if that person cannot attend afterwards? I thought they would still pay the winner... and if he cannot make it, he just loses his spot? So the money is basically for qualifying / winning the qualifier + attending? I think what he meant was that you get money for wining the qualifiers but also there is a price for last place @IEM. They are two different things.Or i got that part wrong. MrBitter a question for you. What is your stance on tournament changing their format in the middle their competition? | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On January 30 2012 21:59 Guidji wrote: ONOG has nothing to do with what bitter said, what I will do is refrain from watching everything with Bitter involved. And should ONOG not hire him again, I see no problem looking at their tournament ! Hello there mr random 6 posts guy. If you can't take a joke I suggest you leave the internet fast | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On January 30 2012 22:02 Frankon wrote: I think what he meant was that you get money for wining the qualifiers but also there is a price for last place @IEM. They are two different things.Or i got that part wrong. If you win an IEM qualifier, but choose not to attend you will not receive any money. | ||
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Black17
France435 Posts
On January 30 2012 21:54 reapsen wrote: @MrBitter: I think the main problem is, that there were no prior rules on how forfeits are to be dealt with. And the announcement by "Deric, the President of One Nation of Gamers" sounds very different, from what you just said. Quote Deric: There it sounds like, he is mad at stephano and kind of arbitrarily penalizes him by "moving him to 4th". He doesn't mention any ruleset that this decision is based on. Also no talk about Stephano giving up his spot in the finals. Not to mention that this makes no sense at all: - When you win a semi-final you are in the final. When you forfeit then, you give up the spot for 1st place. - When you forfeit a semi-final you give up the spot in the final. 100% agree with you, it seems that the decision was taken on the rush and the explainations of MrBitter are just totally illogical (I'm sorry to say that because I like your casting and what you bring to the sc2 scene, but it's just the truth here). Appart from that, making fun of the French at that time was very very odd and misplaced (and I say that from a very neutral pov as I'm Spanish). | ||
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reapsen
Germany559 Posts
All i am saying is, that there should be a ruleset that is published before the tournament begins, where it is declared on how to deal with forfeits (or other reasons why games might not be played, e.g. technical difficulties). Imho that should become as standard as publishing the mappool beforehand. It just seems a little off, to come up with such decisions on the fly, u know? | ||
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Gator
United States3432 Posts
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IMStyle
Canada52 Posts
Its sad that fans don't take it seriously either. Keep supporting stephano and those who openly throw away games in televised matchup.. See where this sport goes. | ||
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klaxen
United States361 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On January 30 2012 22:04 Gator wrote: good thing illusion decided he wasn't too tired to play 12 games in a row. and kas stayed way later than stephano too... Kas had a nap... He was out early of SCAN. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On January 30 2012 22:05 IMStyle wrote: it is sad that esports isn't taken seriously by the players. This is the only "professional" sport where someone forfeits a finals match. This obviously causes lower ratings, less viewers, less money..... Its sad that fans don't take it seriously either. Keep supporting stephano and those who openly throw away games in televised matchup.. See where this sport goes. "I demand my entertainment" ? | ||
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